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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 641237 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#476220 Sep 13, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Please read this from G K Chesterton Rose;
"The ordinary sensible sceptic or pagan is standing in the street (in the supreme character of the man in the street) and he sees a procession go by of the priests of some strange cult, carrying their object of worship under a canopy, some of them wearing high head-dresses and carrying symbolical staffs, others carrying scrolls and sacred records, others carrying sacred images and lighted candles before them, others sacred relics in caskets or cases, and so on. I can understand the spectator saying,“This is all hocus-pocus”; I can even understand him, in moments of irritation, breaking up the procession, throwing down the images, tearing up the scrolls, dancing on the priests and anything else that might express that general view. I can understand his saying,“Your croziers are bosh, your candles are bosh, your statues and scrolls and relics and all the rest of it are bosh.” But in what conceivable frame of mind does he rush in to select one particular scroll of the scriptures of this one particular group (a scroll which had always belonged to them and been a part of their hocus-pocus, if it was hocus-pocus); why in the world should the man in the street say that one particular scroll was not bosh, but was the one and only truth by which all the other things were to be condemned? Why should it not be as superstitious to worship the scrolls as the statues, of that one particular procession? Why should it not be as reasonable to preserve the statues as the scrolls, by the tenets of that particular creed? To say to the priests,“Your statues and scrolls are condemned by our common sense,” is sensible. To say,“Your statues are condemned by your scrolls, and we are going to worship one part of your procession and wreck the rest,” is not sensible from any standpoint, least of all that of the man in the street.”
Okay ...

But what if this person also has seen others worshippers kiss their idols ..say on tv ..in a movie ...

It was just a point about the appearance of sin..near occasion of sin .

How many priests ...give sermons regarding veneration of statues,.

Around here we have a,lot of foreign people ..including Haitians for instance ..

They sound up in Their own country with an odd admixture from the missionaries and their culture of voodoo ..You think not one of those folks thinks the statue has power ..that's just an example .

We think we live in such enlightenment ...I had a lovely non Catholic woman ..sincerely ask me if the host tastes like meat ...

Appearance ..I know you cannot change things ..And in the long tun not sure it matters if someone kisses s statue thinking it has power ..or rosary beads or scapulars...if they believe in the Saviuit eh o died for them.

But what about others..just saying but you do not want yo even admit one person might get wrong input from this ..

You think the Church is on God's level and never wrong

We disagree ..

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#476221 Sep 13, 2013
HEY EVERYONE..did anyone see a,post from June saying she was,leaving .

It's been at least a week ..

I just looked on one of the atheist forums ..don't see her there .

I pray maybe something we said comes to her IF she is ill ..And opens her heart to the LORD ...
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#476222 Sep 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Maybe utilizing all the Apostles and Jesus - instead of the folks men only decided to use - would be a better approach to understanding what you lack.
Especially, when you bring in Jesus into the mix.
The men I speak of do not contradict what Jesus taught. Remember, not everything Jesus said and did is documented in writing. If His oral teachings are the word of God too, then it would have been protected so humanity would know the truth.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#476223 Sep 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You do all the time.
I have "never" (once) said that!! I have always seen Bible only Protestants are Christians, just like us Catholics, and are our brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact, it is the other way around in that fundamental Protestants unfortunately, refuse to see us Catholics as Christians.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#476224 Sep 13, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
If Anthony, Hojo, Clay, ReginaM through some miracle their souls actually make it to heaven, I want to see their reaction when they see most everyone else there too!
If I am stopped at the purley gates I will show the statement that Pope Francis declared that non christians are also welcome to heaven. The pope and God can fight it out over the terminology.
I/we as Catholics will continue to put our trust in Jesus Christ and God the Father as our "final judge" as we continue to (each day) "work out our Salvation with trembling and fear" as the bible and the Catholic Church instructs us in Phil 2:12.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#476225 Sep 13, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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Okay ...
But what if this person also has seen others worshippers kiss their idols ..say on tv ..in a movie ...
It was just a point about the appearance of sin..near occasion of sin .
How many priests ...give sermons regarding veneration of statues,.
Around here we have a,lot of foreign people ..including Haitians for instance ..
They sound up in Their own country with an odd admixture from the missionaries and their culture of voodoo ..You think not one of those folks thinks the statue has power ..that's just an example .
We think we live in such enlightenment ...I had a lovely non Catholic woman ..sincerely ask me if the host tastes like meat ...
Appearance ..I know you cannot change things ..And in the long tun not sure it matters if someone kisses s statue thinking it has power ..or rosary beads or scapulars...if they believe in the Saviuit eh o died for them.
But what about others..just saying but you do not want yo even admit one person might get wrong input from this ..
You think the Church is on God's level and never wrong
We disagree ..
There was a serious (and deadly) debate about this 1300 years ago. They recognized the "appearance", but nevertheless understood the spiritual value vastly outweighed the minimal amount of abuses. Keep in mind Rose that the Church doesn't require anyone to venerate icons or statues or pray the rosary.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#476226 Sep 13, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
If Anthony, Hojo, Clay, ReginaM through some miracle their souls actually make it to heaven, I want to see their reaction when they see most everyone else there too!
If I am stopped at the purley gates I will show the statement that Pope Francis declared that non christians are also welcome to heaven. The pope and God can fight it out over the terminology.
Do you think we'd get upset if our opponents were in Heaven when we got there? That's ridiculous.

There are a couple ministers on here, however, who'd find joy watching Catholics suffer. That's how bad they wanna be right.
I have a sibling who's not too different than these guys. Nothing would give me more joy than to see her in Heaven.
I also have met Protestants who live their faith allot more godly than me. I would be surprised if I was there and not them.
But what do you care? You've already made the choice.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#476227 Sep 13, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
You are preaching to the wrong group...At no time has Seraphena or Hermi
attempted to force any one to become a part of their Orthodox Church...
no have they attempted to bar any one from heaven...
It is the Roman Catholics that claim a franchise and attempt to monopolize the gates of Heaven..
Proof is the banner
Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican
The Vatican issued a document Tuesday restating its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.
Only religious cults make this claim...
The Vatican never said that. I told you that last week, why are you acting like you never heard it?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#476228 Sep 13, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
Lets try to use some empathy.Lets say you were not born into a Catholic family.You believe in God, you love Christ, you study the Bible and you do your best to live as a Christian.You have an experience that for you is sacred- a born again experience.
Now someone comes along and says, you will not go to heaven unless you receive this- the Eucharist.But you cant receive the Eucharist until you disregard what you felt was a personal sacred experience with Christ, join our "True Church" and obey our Magisterium and Pope and consider Him the Vicar of Christ.
Your preachers cannot give this Eucharist that will get you to heaven. It has to be our priest and our church because Jesus said so.
How effective do you think that is going to be cause that is what I hear here all the time?
Extremely well put Nick.I was raised Catholic,and left at 18,so some here would say I was too young to understand what I was doing to begin with.

Whatever,that was an age timeline for me.I did have a born-again experience at 18,and believe me it was challenged in many ways.Of course I had to move beyond that initial time of conversion for me.Even at 18 I was so immature,due to being raised in a dysfunctional family. I did however have to take responsibility for my own actions,sins and short-comings eventually.The more I prayed and read the Scriptures,the more I came to understand how the truth is not of this world mind-set,but of a Way that can only be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Who does not have trouble with becoming a follower of faith,and guess what,no matter what church you belong to,it is a road you often must travel alone in faith. The direction we take that leads to God,gives us the comfort of the church,but it is the Comforter,who we must really KNOW,Love and follow,for He will guide us into all truth,not even the church the Bride can do that,only the Holy Spirit.

The believer has to come to a dependence on God that goes beyond the comfort and support they receive from any organized body of believers,whether the Catholic,Orthodox or Protestant movements and so on. The greatest example of a total dependence on God is the story of Abraham,especially when he had to offer his son Isaac as a sacrificial lamb to the God he so depended on!

Such reliance and faith is not given to us by the Church,and we must all come to grips with that truth,each and every believer.

We may corporately join with brothers and sisters in faith to pray,seek the Lord,WORSHIP Him,and do many good works to bring hope,and love to others,but there comes a day when you alone will be challenged to take a step to trust and obey,that you never could be shown in the church.

Since: Jan 08

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#476229 Sep 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think we'd get upset if our opponents were in Heaven when we got there? That's ridiculous.
There are a couple ministers on here, however, who'd find joy watching Catholics suffer. That's how bad they wanna be right.
.
and that is the most ridiculous statement that any person on here has ever made to insinuate that I would take joy in the loss of ONE soul going to hell.

If I felt that WAY, I would keep silent and let people like you find your way to hell alone.

I have called you a liar many times in the past and this one is the biggest.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#476230 Sep 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Maybe utilizing all the Apostles and Jesus - instead of the folks men only decided to use - would be a better approach to understanding what you lack.
Especially, when you bring in Jesus into the mix.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The men I speak of do not contradict what Jesus taught. Remember, not everything Jesus said and did is documented in writing. If His oral teachings are the word of God too, then it would have been protected so humanity would know the truth.
Yes they do.

You said: "not everything Jesus said and did is documented in writing."
- so you have concluded that men just guessed on what he taught and then decided willy-nilly to believe what they interpretted?

Really, Clay? Is this your argument? How 'bout you add some qualifiers to your position. It is what Catholics like to do when they don't have a firm stance on believing in all of what Jesus taught.

Let's hold hands and dance in a circle. This is the mentality you are on.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#476231 Sep 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
@Sera and Herm....
I'm also puzzled why you two never stand up for truth when the fundies attack us. You believe in the Eucharist. You believe in Confession to a Priest. You believe in Baptism with water.
Yet you sit idle why they mock the Eucharist? They are in reality, mocking Jesus Christ who said, "This is my body". Therefore that is a call for you to stand up for the Lord.
I know that no Catholic on this thread would ever stay silent if these guy poke fun at YOUR belief in the Eucharist.
wrong ...you all have

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476232 Sep 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
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The men I speak of do not contradict what Jesus taught. Remember, not everything Jesus said and did is documented in writing. If His oral teachings are the word of God too, then it would have been protected so humanity would know the truth.
again, you are PARROTING what lies that your leaders teach you.

HOW COULD ANY PERSON CCONTRADICT A SAYING OR WRITING IF IT IS NOT KNOWN.

SEE HOW STUPID THAT YOU SOUND?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#476233 Sep 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The men I speak of do not contradict what Jesus taught. Remember, not everything Jesus [[[[[said ]]]]]and did is documented in writing. If His oral teachings are the word of God too, then it would have been protected so humanity would know the truth.
look at the lie that you are Telling to this poster. YOU ADDEDD TO THE WORD OF GOD.

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

your church is exactly like the Mormons and the jw's are doing,

the Mormons got the other book and the jw's got the watchtower and the catholics got the Vatican.

ALL THREE CULTS ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#476234 Sep 13, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I have "never" (once) said that!! I have always seen Bible only Protestants are Christians, just like us Catholics, and are our brothers and sisters in Christ. In fact, it is the other way around in that fundamental Protestants unfortunately, refuse to see us Catholics as Christians.
*hands you a helmet*

I'd hat to see you fall off the bike as you back-peddle.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TV910R5...

FYI - you may not have said those exact words, but many of your past posts exhibit frustration and ignorance, not only toward other beliefs, but as well as Christianity as a whole.

For you to display any sort of honesty on this forum, will be a start of a change to correct that.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#476235 Sep 13, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Extremely well put Nick.I was raised Catholic,and left at 18,so some here would say I was too young to understand what I was doing to begin with.
Whatever,that was an age timeline for me.I did have a born-again experience at 18,and believe me it was challenged in many ways.Of course I had to move beyond that initial time of conversion for me.Even at 18 I was so immature,due to being raised in a dysfunctional family. I did however have to take responsibility for my own actions,sins and short-comings eventually.The more I prayed and read the Scriptures,the more I came to understand how the truth is not of this world mind-set,but of a Way that can only be inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Who does not have trouble with becoming a follower of faith,and guess what,no matter what church you belong to,it is a road you often must travel alone in faith. The direction we take that leads to God,gives us the comfort of the church,but it is the Comforter,who we must really KNOW,Love and follow,for He will guide us into all truth,not even the church the Bride can do that,only the Holy Spirit.
The believer has to come to a dependence on God that goes beyond the comfort and support they receive from any organized body of believers,whether the Catholic,Orthodox or Protestant movements and so on. The greatest example of a total dependence on God is the story of Abraham,especially when he had to offer his son Isaac as a sacrificial lamb to the God he so depended on!
Such reliance and faith is not given to us by the Church,and we must all come to grips with that truth,each and every believer.
We may corporately join with brothers and sisters in faith to pray,seek the Lord,WORSHIP Him,and do many good works to bring hope,and love to others,but there comes a day when you alone will be challenged to take a step to trust and obey,that you never could be shown in the church.
You sure speak of alot of things you did, but still refute that it is because of the "Self" that all of these things were achieved.

Why do you promote it out of one side of your mouth, then admonish me for posting that it is the only truth that Jesus spoke of?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#476236 Sep 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>look at the lie that you are Telling to this poster. YOU ADDEDD TO THE WORD OF GOD.
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
your church is exactly like the Mormons and the jw's are doing,
the Mormons got the other book and the jw's got the watchtower and the catholics got the Vatican.
ALL THREE CULTS ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD
.....and then then argument travels to......

....the things that were written about what Jesus said, ARE DISMISSED AS not his teachings.

You are confused, or in fact, would rather believe men over Jesus, as they chose many KNOWN TEXTS to not be included in their theology.

You are trying to mislead just like the Catholics.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#476237 Sep 13, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>and that is the most ridiculous statement that any person on here has ever made to insinuate that I would take joy in the loss of ONE soul going to hell.
If I felt that WAY, I would keep silent and let people like you find your way to hell alone.
I have called you a liar many times in the past and this one is the biggest.
I have a feeling you'd get some satisfaction seeing us lowered to hell and looking up at you and realizing you were right all along . In fact, I'm quite certain that scenario makes you excited. You've never given me any reason to believe otherwise.
Saban fan

Decatur, AL

#476238 Sep 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic Church teaches that we are all priests too. But the Apostles set up a sacramental Priesthood with the duties of administering the sacraments and performing the Mass.
"Do all things in harmony with God; with the Bishop presiding in place of God; with the Priests in place of the council of the Apostles, and with the Deacons- most dear to me, entrusted with the business of Jesus Christ who was with the Father from the beginning and at last, is made manifest"
Ignatius of Antioch, Bishop and Disciple of John; ordained by Saint Peter
This is the first century Church. Its the Church of Christ, called Universal or "Catholic".
You've just admitted to men placing themselves in the place of God - and you have no problem with that??

The Apostles didn't set up a Priesthood. Even if they did Paul, an apostle, said in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" This "Priesthood" cannot be found in the scriptures. None of the Apostles recorded it. It is something being PREACHED AS DOCTRINE that they did not PREACH AS DOCTRINE.

There is no example of this Priesthood in our scriptures and there is NO prophesy of this priesthood with the exception of 1 Tim. 4:

1 Timothy 4

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed....

Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
Anthony MN

Champlin, MN

#476240 Sep 13, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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You've just admitted to men placing themselves in the place of God - and you have no problem with that??
The Apostles didn't set up a Priesthood. Even if they did Paul, an apostle, said in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" This "Priesthood" cannot be found in the scriptures. None of the Apostles recorded it. It is something being PREACHED AS DOCTRINE that they did not PREACH AS DOCTRINE.
There is no example of this Priesthood in our scriptures and there is NO prophesy of this priesthood with the exception of 1 Tim. 4:
1 Timothy 4
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed....
Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
http://www.catholic-legate.com/Apologetics/Th...

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