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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475579 Sep 10, 2013
BTW Dan - that is still Self.

No religion or RCC required.

Just think - you could have done all that you have done without being a Catholic.

Bummer for you.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475580 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Ah yes - the ol' "you adhere to men". I bring it to the forefront and show the world why Christianity is bogus, and then you throw the same argument at me, yet not once ADMITTING that you do the same.
Typical deception and dishonesty from a Catholic.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I admit to following the teachings of the Church Christ founded for that purpose. No problem there.
'I admit to following the teachings of the Church'
- no Jesus involved. Gotcha. Jsut a bunch of "Paul" and others.

DOH!!
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You simply run "self" out in homage to Gnostic philosophy and hope I ignore the fact that someone other than you came up with it.
No I don't. You are projecting again.

You should already know all the stuff I write, as it is history.

But alas, you chose a different path, huh? One that places man in the "high chair" being spoon fed by other men.

Don't play me, Dan, your nonsense won't work with me. Try the Pentecostal and Baptist, they are more suited to here your "dribble".

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475581 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Ah yes - the ol' "you adhere to men". I bring it to the forefront and show the world why Christianity is bogus, and then you throw the same argument at me, yet not once ADMITTING that you do the same.
Typical deception and dishonesty from a Catholic.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus taught the faith. Right?

And what "faith" is that? Your question is vague, considering "faith" is generated from within a person through learning and action. Self. No religion required.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The Apostles spread this faith to the world.

Speculative.

Christianity only utilizes less than six of the original Apostles, so your argument is less than half correct.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
They did not teach things from men then.

All the Apostles are men, as was Jesus. So you are either trying to deceive others by misleading them in their perception or you are purposely being vague and incomplete in your thought.

Which is it?
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
They taught things from Jesus Christ.
Yes - all but one of the 13 Apostles were taught by Jesus.

What is your point?
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Their disciples ie fathers of the early Church, taught what they learned from the Apostles- who learned from the mouth of Jesus. Follow?
So you accept only less than six Apostles.

Please state where "God" specifically states that any of these individuals are just as inspired as Thomas? Please provide the link and/or support for your answer.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
One thing the Apostles taught, was to obey the authority of the valid Bishop.

...and to obey the authority and teachings of Jesus, in which you refuse to do so.

Why?
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is what one of their students said about this: "It is not lawful to Baptize or give communion without the consent of the Bishop, therefore, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God, Thus will be safe and valid"
"Do all things in harmony with God; with the Bishop presiding in place of God; with the Priest presiding with the council of the Apostles and the Deacons so dear to me, responsible for the business of Jesus Christ"
"Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the people be, as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
So? One could not do any of these requests without themselves taking action. Self.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
As you can see, there is some sort of authority in place.
Men are not authorized to be my superior. Maybe for you, not for me.

Why don't you let "God" or Jesus be your authority for a change?

Oh wait, you first have to believe in what Jesus taught in order to do this.

You're a fraud.
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Christ installed a way for humanity to receive the truth of His Ministry. He certainly didn't rely on a bunch of knucklehead preaches with the writings from some of His Apostles that they attempt to decipher 2,000 yrs later!
That's right, although you do exactly this, except you take the ramblings of men from 1800+ years.

DOH!!
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
So you accuse us of merely following men, but that's not really true. The men we follow are safeguarding the truths that Jesus taught. They are not inventing their personal opinions on what He taught.
Then prove it.

Please state where "God" specifically states which texts are "of His" inspiration and which are not?

You can do this, right? You seem to know alot about what "God" inspired and what he didn't.

Or are you like Dan and other so-called "Christians" and refuse to be honest and truthful - IN FRONT OF GOD!??

Yeah - just what I thought. We'll see, huh?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475582 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for correcting me. You feel better now?
But the "dribble" coming out of your mouth isn't any better.
Is this the best you have - and still nothing on which texts "God" inspired.
Got it. You don't have any.
Yet you still think men can define an infallible being.
*dramatically sighs*
Quit your whining and start being honest for a change.
"but doesn't bother me as my faith isn't based solely upon scripture."
- I know - you base it upon men and their lack of knowledge. You fit in well.
No scripture is attributed to the direct hand of God. He didn't write it in His own hand.

As such, it's a remnant of man to be interpreted by man.

Divinely inspired text requires a divinely inspired interpreter. Christ left His authority to the Church in scripture-that Church vetted scripture and declared canon.

Some, like you, don't believe that the canonical gospels are indeed, that. Fine. You base this belief on men (early Gnostics) and ascribe to them the knowledge and/or power of discernment you deny to others. You don't really tell us how that works-how Gnostics have knowledge and the early Church councils lacked it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475583 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
BTW Dan - that is still Self.
No religion or RCC required.
Just think - you could have done all that you have done without being a Catholic.
Bummer for you.
Why deny myself the sacraments?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475584 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Ah yes - the ol' "you adhere to men". I bring it to the forefront and show the world why Christianity is bogus, and then you throw the same argument at me, yet not once ADMITTING that you do the same.
Typical deception and dishonesty from a Catholic.
<quoted text>
'I admit to following the teachings of the Church'
- no Jesus involved. Gotcha. Jsut a bunch of "Paul" and others.
DOH!!
<quoted text>
No I don't. You are projecting again.
You should already know all the stuff I write, as it is history.
But alas, you chose a different path, huh? One that places man in the "high chair" being spoon fed by other men.
Don't play me, Dan, your nonsense won't work with me. Try the Pentecostal and Baptist, they are more suited to here your "dribble".
"DOH !!"

I mentioned "Christ". As in, "Jesus Christ".

...and I'm not "playing" you. At least you now admit that none of your blather is "self", rather you parroting a line from somewhere else.

Also, I wouldn't run out "I write history" so readily-you made Diocletian a Christian and termed the Arian heresy as "scripture" last week.

"DOH!!"

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#475585 Sep 10, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly ..I'm trying to figure,out why folks,run from it ..
HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS,WHAT I LEARNED...as I said ..Catholics nuns,made you memorize the CATECHISM .....I can't say I remember it word fir air ..But I remember that question ...my sister Says, that site brings back memories,for her also .
And she's,still Catholic ..
Thanks Star
Maybe you misunderstood.... the point I was trying to make is your link never said "Roman Catholic Church" it said "Catholic Church"
I expected a your link to say "RCC" but it didn't.

From your link.
12. Q. Say the Apostlesí Creed. A. I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified; died, and was buried. He descended into hell: the third day He arose again from the dead: He ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
"I

believe in the Holy Ghost,

the{{{{{ Holy Catholic Church,}}}}}}

the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the
resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen."

Anyway case closed. Have a great day!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#475586 Sep 10, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
That is true,,,,, however, the One (and only One) True Apostolic Catholic Church, initiated, formed and established by Jesus Christ HIMSELF (in Matthew 16:13-21) over 2000 years ago---IS SPECIAL!!!
That is "precisely" why we, as Catholics choose to believe,"in the FULLNESS of the FAITH"..... worship "IN THE FULLNESS of the TRUTH and adhere to the TRUTH of the biblical and historically PROVEN TRUE TEACHINGS of Jesus Christ in and through HIS One True Catholic Church......... Anything else (since the Reformation) is just "watered down....half-truth....half-her esy (opinionated and editorialized) Christianity"!
I love it!!!!! Congratulations!!!!! You have just called your pope a bald-face liar!!!!

The NABre poop appoved Catlick bible: Church: this word (Greek ekklsia) occurs in the gospels only here and in Mt 18:17 (twice). Jesusí church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Don't say nuttin' bout no Catholic denomination!!!!...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475587 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
No scripture is attributed to the direct hand of God. He didn't write it in His own hand.
Correct - "He" supposedly only 'wrote/scribed" the "Ten Commandments."

But your response is not what I asked.

I've asked - "Where does "God" specifically state which texts are "of His" inspiration and which are not?" - NOT - what texts did "he" write.

Please stay focussed.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
As such, it's a remnant of man to be interpreted by man.
Yes - only texts by men exist - and not one word from "God" stating that certain texts are inspired and others are not.

Men sure like to do this - daily.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Divinely inspired text requires a divinely inspired interpreter. Christ left His authority to the Church in scripture-that Church vetted scripture and declared canon.
Jesus died decades before most of these texts were written.

Where do you come up with this nonsense?
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Some, like you, don't believe that the canonical gospels are indeed, that. Fine.

Nah - I just think that they are incomplete. And if you can show me where "God" specifically calls those texts inspired, I may very well become "Catholic" again. As of right now, your organization has lacked in this specific task, in addition to being honest with its followers.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You base this belief on men (early Gnostics) and ascribe to them the knowledge and/or power of discernment you deny to others.

No. I base it upon facts. "God" never declared any texts inspired - only men have. Unless you can provide this statement from a "God" that never wrote anything down.

Do you?

Just what I thought - you don't, so you avoid admiting this through honesty and continue to be deceiptful to others and yourself.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't really tell us how that works-how Gnostics have knowledge and the early Church councils lacked it.
Yes I have - through learning and understanding Jesus.

You refuse to believe Jesus, so with me continuing to embark on that point, it seems rather futile. With you and so many others, not admitting that men wrote the Bible, actually causes this error.

Only you can change that, huh?

Hey Dan, this forum isn't about me - please stop trying to hijack it to what you want.

You are starting to sound like June.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475588 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Why deny myself the sacraments?
You should be asking - why do I need the Sacraments.

Please state all the passages in and outside of the Bible that has Jesus listing those seven Sacraments you hold so dearly.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475589 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
"DOH !!"
I mentioned "Christ". As in, "Jesus Christ".
...and I'm not "playing" you. At least you now admit that none of your blather is "self", rather you parroting a line from somewhere else.
Also, I wouldn't run out "I write history" so readily-you made Diocletian a Christian and termed the Arian heresy as "scripture" last week.
"DOH!!"
Diversion. Are you this feeble?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475590 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct - "He" supposedly only 'wrote/scribed" the "Ten Commandments."
But your response is not what I asked.
I've asked - "Where does "God" specifically state which texts are "of His" inspiration and which are not?" - NOT - what texts did "he" write.
Please stay focussed.
<quoted text>
Yes - only texts by men exist - and not one word from "God" stating that certain texts are inspired and others are not.
Men sure like to do this - daily.
<quoted text>
Jesus died decades before most of these texts were written.
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
<quoted text>
Nah - I just think that they are incomplete. And if you can show me where "God" specifically calls those texts inspired, I may very well become "Catholic" again. As of right now, your organization has lacked in this specific task, in addition to being honest with its followers.
<quoted text>
No. I base it upon facts. "God" never declared any texts inspired - only men have. Unless you can provide this statement from a "God" that never wrote anything down.
Do you?
Just what I thought - you don't, so you avoid admiting this through honesty and continue to be deceiptful to others and yourself.
<quoted text>
Yes I have - through learning and understanding Jesus.
You refuse to believe Jesus, so with me continuing to embark on that point, it seems rather futile. With you and so many others, not admitting that men wrote the Bible, actually causes this error.
Only you can change that, huh?
Hey Dan, this forum isn't about me - please stop trying to hijack it to what you want.
You are starting to sound like June.
You can't work both sides of the street.

You can't declare the canon "incomplete" unless you yourself are prepared to tell us how you, and not the various Church councils, know what is divinely inspired and what isn't.

Otherwise, you're simply the pot calling out the kettle.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475591 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You should be asking - why do I need the Sacraments.
Please state all the passages in and outside of the Bible that has Jesus listing those seven Sacraments you hold so dearly.
Are you Oxbow?

Don't see it spelled out, so it doesn't exist?

Jesus mentions baptism and the Eucharist directly.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475592 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct - "He" supposedly only 'wrote/scribed" the "Ten Commandments."
But your response is not what I asked.
I've asked - "Where does "God" specifically state which texts are "of His" inspiration and which are not?" - NOT - what texts did "he" write.
Please stay focussed.
<quoted text>
Yes - only texts by men exist - and not one word from "God" stating that certain texts are inspired and others are not.
Men sure like to do this - daily.
<quoted text>
Jesus died decades before most of these texts were written.
Where do you come up with this nonsense?
<quoted text>
Nah - I just think that they are incomplete. And if you can show me where "God" specifically calls those texts inspired, I may very well become "Catholic" again. As of right now, your organization has lacked in this specific task, in addition to being honest with its followers.
<quoted text>
No. I base it upon facts. "God" never declared any texts inspired - only men have. Unless you can provide this statement from a "God" that never wrote anything down.
Do you?
Just what I thought - you don't, so you avoid admiting this through honesty and continue to be deceiptful to others and yourself.
<quoted text>
Yes I have - through learning and understanding Jesus.
You refuse to believe Jesus, so with me continuing to embark on that point, it seems rather futile. With you and so many others, not admitting that men wrote the Bible, actually causes this error.
Only you can change that, huh?
Hey Dan, this forum isn't about me - please stop trying to hijack it to what you want.
You are starting to sound like June.
....and you sound like GIF, Ox and all the other DIY's here.

"Yes I have - through learning and understanding Jesus"

All you guys declare yourselves authoritative.

You keep good company.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#475593 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Ah yes - the ol' "you adhere to men". I bring it to the forefront and show the world why Christianity is bogus, and then you throw the same argument at me, yet not once ADMITTING that you do the same.
Typical deception and dishonesty from a Catholic.
<quoted text>
And what "faith" is that? Your question is vague, considering "faith" is generated from within a person through learning and action. Self. No religion required.
<quoted text>
Speculative.
Christianity only utilizes less than six of the original Apostles, so your argument is less than half correct.
<quoted text>
All the Apostles are men, as was Jesus. So you are either trying to deceive others by misleading them in their perception or you are purposely being vague and incomplete in your thought.
Which is it?
<quoted text>
Yes - all but one of the 13 Apostles were taught by Jesus.
What is your point?
<quoted text>
So you accept only less than six Apostles.
Please state where "God" specifically states that any of these individuals are just as inspired as Thomas? Please provide the link and/or support for your answer.
<quoted text>
...and to obey the authority and teachings of Jesus, in which you refuse to do so.
Why?
<quoted text>
So? One could not do any of these requests without themselves taking action. Self.
<quoted text>Men are not authorized to be my superior. Maybe for you, not for me.
Why don't you let "God" or Jesus be your authority for a change?
Oh wait, you first have to believe in what Jesus taught in order to do this.
You're a fraud.
<quoted text>
That's right, although you do exactly this, except you take the ramblings of men from 1800+ years.
DOH!!
<quoted text>
Then prove it.
Please state where "God" specifically states which texts are "of His" inspiration and which are not?
You can do this, right? You seem to know alot about what "God" inspired and what he didn't.
Or are you like Dan and other so-called "Christians" and refuse to be honest and truthful - IN FRONT OF GOD!??
Yeah - just what I thought. We'll see, huh?
Dude, don't believe then. It don't affect me. You sound like a pot head anyway.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#475594 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
....and you sound like GIF, Ox and all the other DIY's here.
"Yes I have - through learning and understanding Jesus"
All you guys declare yourselves authoritative.
You keep good company.
That guy is kookier every time I talk to him. Men men men you believe men men men. Um hello, since creation, God used men to convey His truth to humanity! Lol

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475595 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't work both sides of the street.
Who said I am working on the street anyhow. Oh yeah - you are trying too. More diversion and double-talk Dan?

Do you ever give a straight answer to others? It appears you do have a problem with this.

Hone your honesty more - it will get better.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>You can't declare the canon "incomplete" unless you yourself are prepared to tell us how you, and not the various Church councils, know what is divinely inspired and what isn't.
Still trying to advert from answering my question.

I understand - it requires truthfulness and honesty in order to say it, and it appears you have failed at just that.

Keep trying.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>Otherwise, you're simply the pot calling out the kettle.
No - I am a human living in ABQ posting on a public forum.

"kettles" are usually metallic or plastic. I am neither.

When you want to use a euphamism, please make sure you are using it correctly.

The ignorance of Christianity.

Man-o-man Dan, you really need to talk with hojo, he'll set you straight.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#475596 Sep 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus taught the faith. Right? The Apostles spread this faith to the world. They did not teach things from men then. They taught things from Jesus Christ.
Their disciples ie fathers of the early Church, taught what they learned from the Apostles- who learned from the mouth of Jesus. Follow?
One thing the Apostles taught, was to obey the authority of the valid Bishop. Here is what one of their students said about this: "It is not lawful to Baptize or give communion without the consent of the Bishop, therefore, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God, Thus will be safe and valid"
"Do all things in harmony with God; with the Bishop presiding in place of God; with the Priest presiding with the council of the Apostles and the Deacons so dear to me, responsible for the business of Jesus Christ"
"Wherever the Bishop appears, there let the people be, as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
As you can see, there is some sort of authority in place. Christ installed a way for humanity to receive the truth of His Ministry. He certainly didn't rely on a bunch of knucklehead preaches with the writings from some of His Apostles that they attempt to decipher 2,000 yrs later!
So you accuse us of merely following men, but that's not really true. The men we follow are safeguarding the truths that Jesus taught. They are not inventing their personal opinions on what He taught.
You follow the teaching of mere natural men.

A. They teach you Mary remained a virgin evermore. God's Word says Joseph took her to wife...you choose to believe men instead of God....I believe God.....

“OneLordOneFaith Eph4:5”

Since: Apr 08

Saint John Paul II Pray 4 Us.

#475597 Sep 10, 2013
OMG!!
Where is June? Pages and pages without her! I thought I was on the wrong site.
Did she run off with Michael?
Are they on their honeymoon?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#475598 Sep 10, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

You should be asking - why do I need the Sacraments.
Please state all the passages in and outside of the Bible that has Jesus listing those seven Sacraments you hold so dearly.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you Oxbow?
What is with you always diverting, Dan? Who taught you to do this? They should've instead, taught you honesty.

No, I am not Oxbow, but one could compare he to you - you both enjoy being deceptive and dishonest.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't see it spelled out, so it doesn't exist?
In the case of "inspired texts" - Yes. I'm sorry you would rather take man's word for it over Jesus'.

Ya know something, you would fit right in with those other witch-hunters of antiquity - you just love to make up things about others, when in truth, you haven't a clue on what you are talking about, but are just itching to see someone fall.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus mentions baptism and the Eucharist directly.
So?

He also mentions that you should "know yourself in order to know the kingdom of God", yet you reject this.

Jesus actually says alot of things you callously reject.

Don't give me a sad story, it all your own undoing.

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