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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#475640 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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That was the excuse given.
Protestant theology certainly doesn't follow that track. In reality, it was a simple vanity exercise that continues unabated to the present.
Then I will do more reading on the subject.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#475641 Sep 10, 2013
StarC wrote:
OMG!!
Where is June? Pages and pages without her! I thought I was on the wrong site.
Did she run off with Michael?
Are they on their honeymoon?
StarC, for once I can totally agree with you,and appreciate your post here.Where is she? i sometimes go through whole pages on this thread where June is making comments on everything that comes out of her unique mindset.Yes I never thought that Michael and her could hit it off.Maybe,it is Atheists hit it off match.com . Well I hope the best for them.LOL!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475642 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you cleared that up for yourself,and your false beliefs,you are not clearing that up at all for me or the millions of non-Catholic Christians,so keep your clay figures,and make sure you remember that everytime you go into one of your sanctuaries,that above every altar is a statue,wnshrined.The disobedience DAN is not that you may believe the statue is a god or not,but that you erect them to begin with.
So, your counterargument is-"I don't care that your Church actually doesn't teach that statues are to be accorded divine worship, I just want to say that you do worship them.".

Did I get that about right?

Statues are......statues. Visual depictions. Like the cross your minister likely adorns himself with, and your church likely adorns itself with.

But, it's different for you.

Righto, Pad.

Please cite where the Catholic Church teaches that statues are to be accorded divine worship. Let's get this cleared up once and for all.

I'll wait.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#475643 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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What errors and false doctrines can you cite for us? One or two will suffice.
The Church does not tell us we don't have to believe the teachings of the Church. What an odd thing to say.
you are not bound to believe in the Apparitions of Mary,but in them supposedly the doctrines of her Immaculate Conception,Assumption,her reign as queen,her intercession which is far beyond the normal intercession of Christians praying for each other.

You are not bound to believe that priests should be celibate,but by Law of the RCC they are celibate by a decree which would take a major move by the whole RCC to change.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475644 Sep 10, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Then I will do more reading on the subject.
None needed as to the claim of "we left as the RC was corrupt".

If one reads up on protestant theology and history (even in a cursory manner), the common denominator is simply this-one guy interprets scripture his own way, gets people to follow him, and there's your denomination. Without fail, every single denomination in Protestantism (starting with Luther) follows this script.

No matter what denomination you look at, you get the one guy at the beginning who started it with his personal take on scripture.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475645 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you cleared that up for yourself,and your false beliefs,you are not clearing that up at all for me or the millions of non-Catholic Christians,so keep your clay figures,and make sure you remember that everytime you go into one of your sanctuaries,that above every altar is a statue,wnshrined.The disobedience DAN is not that you may believe the statue is a god or not,but that you erect them to begin with.
?

You believe a cookie can symbolize Christ, but a statue or painting gives you heartburn?

Glad I don't drive on the same streets you do. You probably think stop signs are evil and should be shunned.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#475646 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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So, your counterargument is-"I don't care that your Church actually doesn't teach that statues are to be accorded divine worship, I just want to say that you do worship them.".
Did I get that about right?
Statues are......statues. Visual depictions. Like the cross your minister likely adorns himself with, and your church likely adorns itself with.
But, it's different for you.
Righto, Pad.
Please cite where the Catholic Church teaches that statues are to be accorded divine worship. Let's get this cleared up once and for all.
I'll wait.
Your lucky I did not go off line,had to give up the computer for awhile,for another family member.

Dan,can you possibly understand obedience in the matter of the First Commandment.Sorry but I adhere to the Jewish bible rendition of the first commandment and the King James,New King james.

Nevertheless,the very fact that the RCC manufactures or makes or molds statues of clay,prop them up on pedestals in their main sanctuaries,and venerate them with homage and respect by kneeling before them,placing flowers and so on before the image,is what G OD told us NOT to do,that is disobedience.

You can skirt around with whether or not your church worships such things,and of course I know that the statues are not gods from another religious system,whatever.

But for instance the statues of Jesus,Jesus is God is He not? Your church is making statues of Him who they have never seen basically,He is not described in the Bible except when He was crucified.God does not want a statue to represent the Deity.Whether Protestants do the same or whatever,does not condone the fact that disobedience is part and parcel of your church from the first day they started doing such.

The whole matter Dan is not idolatry,but disobedience!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475647 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>you are not bound to believe in the Apparitions of Mary,but in them supposedly the doctrines of her Immaculate Conception,Assumption,her reign as queen,her intercession which is far beyond the normal intercession of Christians praying for each other.
You are not bound to believe that priests should be celibate,but by Law of the RCC they are celibate by a decree which would take a major move by the whole RCC to change.
I'm not bound to believe in apparitions of Mary.

I am bound to believe in her immaculate conception and assumption into Heaven.

Her intercession is.......intercession. She prays for us to Christ. She's the Mother of Our Lord Jesus, so yeah, she holds a special place, but your fellow pewmates do likewise when Pastor tells you Miss Bessie or someone else is sick (I hope).

Clerical celibacy isn't a matter of doctrine for me to believe or not believe. It's self-imposed discipline. They can change that.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#475648 Sep 10, 2013
Clay wrote:
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We already explained why its called 'Roman' Catholic, Rose. What more do you want? Line 133 of the Baltimore catechism is correct, within the context its used.
Actually Clay I thought we had then Star came up with a diversionary post answering my post of a week ago...

And Said Roman Catholic Was nit in my link ..it was .

Tell her .

.I was done talking bout it as,I know,darn well what I learned ...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475649 Sep 10, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>You cant stop the slander of your church.People will believe what they wish to believe.What you have to ask yourself is this.Is it worth drawing myself into sin to correct those that do not wish to understand? And the answer is NO...Our priest has told us that when one argues with another that several sin come into play.Wrath and Pride with pride being the greatest sin since it was pride that caused satan from being cast out of Heaven.Being humble and patiences what is more pleasing to God.You must care about your own salvation also..
........and yet here YOU are, despite the admonitions of your good priest.

You're generally on an even keel, but this isn't an Orthodox thread, so I'll assume you're not hear to get the latest and greatest updates on eastern Rite news and events.

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#475650 Sep 10, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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STAR
it took me a while to figure out which link counterfeiters to..since it was not included I your post ..
Anyway since the reference to my sis ..I figured out it was
The CATECHISM link.
I said NOTHING about the creed ..look at question 133
As I have detailed when I post ....
HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH .
case closed .
Lot of things in there and stuff from Pope Pius...infallible encyclical??
Regarding evolution ..Humanis. something .
It sure dies not agree with current Church thinking we may be descended from dome other biological life form.
That's the thing about BIBLE STUDY ..the BIBKE has God's inspired message to us about all we need to know ...Not stuff being added
Millennia,later .to go along with scientific theories ...which are just THST THEORIES. subject to change .
To deny your Roman roots or the story of creation .
That current Catholics have changed ..But I guess when US older folks die off ..it won't matter what I learned from my CATECHISM or the nuns
It was called the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH ....in your own CATECHISM and by the nuns,and priests in two different states ..That I know,of personally
..until then ..my long term memory ..thankfully is intact ...
You never answered my question: Do you have any idea what Christ said must, absolutely, without any doubt whatever, no exceptions, happen for you to enter into Heaven?????

You, evidently, don't know, or you would have replied.

You call God, Father. No one can claim that status as a natural birthright...some are children of the father of all lies...the devil..

Share with us the events that occurred in your life that culminated in you becoming one of His daughters...
Pad

Rockford, IL

#475651 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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?
You believe a cookie can symbolize Christ, but a statue or painting gives you heartburn?
Glad I don't drive on the same streets you do. You probably think stop signs are evil and should be shunned.
The images of life are not what we are talking about sir,but the images that are made to represent the Deity,of which was commanded by the Living God not to do by the poeple of faith.We are to worship God in Spirit and in Truth.There is no need to have an image of Him.

It is interesting how the Jews tried to discredit Jesus by using a Roman coin,so the Romans present would be sucked into their attempt to trap Jesus as an insurrectionist.Jesus looked at the coin and said whose inscription is on this coin.Of course they answered Caesars's. "Well render unto Caesar's what is His and unto God what is His.The Jews had a currency of sorts,and God's Image was never on it.Nothing in Jewish culture required some sort of image to prove God.Was not Caesar considered a god,by the Romans?

We are not to represent our God by using images or statues,He is Spirit and we worship Him in that manner,and His Son sits at His right hand until all the enemies of Christ are placed at His Feet.

It all continues to boil down to simple obedience.I wonder that the RCC failed to obey the first commandment of God our Father,how they are so filled with all truth in every matter of faith?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475652 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Your lucky I did not go off line,had to give up the computer for awhile,for another family member.
Dan,can you possibly understand obedience in the matter of the First Commandment.Sorry but I adhere to the Jewish bible rendition of the first commandment and the King James,New King james.
Nevertheless,the very fact that the RCC manufactures or makes or molds statues of clay,prop them up on pedestals in their main sanctuaries,and venerate them with homage and respect by kneeling before them,placing flowers and so on before the image,is what G OD told us NOT to do,that is disobedience.
You can skirt around with whether or not your church worships such things,and of course I know that the statues are not gods from another religious system,whatever.
But for instance the statues of Jesus,Jesus is God is He not? Your church is making statues of Him who they have never seen basically,He is not described in the Bible except when He was crucified.God does not want a statue to represent the Deity.Whether Protestants do the same or whatever,does not condone the fact that disobedience is part and parcel of your church from the first day they started doing such.
The whole matter Dan is not idolatry,but disobedience!
What "disobedience"?

Again, the commandment isn't to eschew art and/or statuary. It's to not worship any statues. Don't bow down to nor serve graven images. Only one God.

No one's venerating the statues. No one.

No disobedience.

Again, simply cite where it's taught that the statue is to be venerated.

You DO have to support claims you make, Pad. I have to insist as the teachings of the Catholic Church aren't some secret deal that only I know. It's there for the whole world to read, yet you refuse to do it. Why? It's nearly a pathological thing for you and those who make similar claims.

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#475653 Sep 10, 2013
StarC wrote:
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ALL Catholics worship Jesus!!! Our Mass is Jesus centered. We honor our heavenly Blessed Mother Mary, as you should.
Rock Hudson??? LOL You follow that type of 'queen' Now we know, why you hate everything that is good.
You will answer to Jesus if you ever get to see HIM. Talking about HIS Blessed Mother like that. Shame, shame, shame!!!
The Magnificat, taken from Luke’s Gospel (1:46-55),
is the Blessed Virgin Mary’s hymn of praise to
the Lord. It is also known as the Canticle of Mary
in the Liturgy of the Hours, a special collection of scripture readings, psalms, and hymns that constitute what is known as the prayer of the church.(Priests and other religious are required to pray sections from the Liturgy of the Hours each day.)
My soul magnifies the Lord
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior;
Because he has regarded the lowliness of his handmaid;
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed;
Because he who is mighty has done great things for me,
and holy is his name;
And his mercy is from generation to generation
on those who fear him.
He has shown might with his arm,
He has scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and has exalted the lowly.
He has filled the hungry with good things,
and the rich he has sent away empty.
He has given help to Israel, his servant, mindful of his mercy
Even as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity forever.
Luke’s Gospel (1:46-55)
Advice on lying from an ex expert liar. Never tell a lie that can be easily proven so.

Pope John Paul II and Marian Worship...

POPE PRAYER TO MARY.

Pope John Paul bowing before a statue of Mary in worship.

On May 7 Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John--"Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION"

See the word "worship" in: Pope John Paul bowing before a statue of Mary in worship.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#475654 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The images of life are not what we are talking about sir,but the images that are made to represent the Deity,of which was commanded by the Living God not to do by the poeple of faith.We are to worship God in Spirit and in Truth.There is no need to have an image of Him.
It is interesting how the Jews tried to discredit Jesus by using a Roman coin,so the Romans present would be sucked into their attempt to trap Jesus as an insurrectionist.Jesus looked at the coin and said whose inscription is on this coin.Of course they answered Caesars's. "Well render unto Caesar's what is His and unto God what is His.The Jews had a currency of sorts,and God's Image was never on it.Nothing in Jewish culture required some sort of image to prove God.Was not Caesar considered a god,by the Romans?
We are not to represent our God by using images or statues,He is Spirit and we worship Him in that manner,and His Son sits at His right hand until all the enemies of Christ are placed at His Feet.
It all continues to boil down to simple obedience.I wonder that the RCC failed to obey the first commandment of God our Father,how they are so filled with all truth in every matter of faith?
Wait, what? God is Spirit, of course. But He also became flesh; a human; one of us.

Don't you believe that Jesus and God are one?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475655 Sep 10, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The images of life are not what we are talking about sir,but the images that are made to represent the Deity,of which was commanded by the Living God not to do by the poeple of faith.We are to worship God in Spirit and in Truth.There is no need to have an image of Him.
It is interesting how the Jews tried to discredit Jesus by using a Roman coin,so the Romans present would be sucked into their attempt to trap Jesus as an insurrectionist.Jesus looked at the coin and said whose inscription is on this coin.Of course they answered Caesars's. "Well render unto Caesar's what is His and unto God what is His.The Jews had a currency of sorts,and God's Image was never on it.Nothing in Jewish culture required some sort of image to prove God.Was not Caesar considered a god,by the Romans?
We are not to represent our God by using images or statues,He is Spirit and we worship Him in that manner,and His Son sits at His right hand until all the enemies of Christ are placed at His Feet.
It all continues to boil down to simple obedience.I wonder that the RCC failed to obey the first commandment of God our Father,how they are so filled with all truth in every matter of faith?
We were commanded not to worship any graven image.

A cross is graven image, and is assuredly fits the description of
"any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth".

The next line is the operative:

"5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments."

This from the NKJV.

It all continues to boil down to simple literacy and in your case, intellectual honesty.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#475656 Sep 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You never answered my question: Do you have any idea what Christ said must, absolutely, without any doubt whatever, no exceptions, happen for you to enter into Heaven?????
You, evidently, don't know, or you would have replied.
You call God, Father. No one can claim that status as a natural birthright...some are children of the father of all lies...the devil..
Share with us the events that occurred in your life that culminated in you becoming one of His daughters...
Get baptized.

That's what Jesus said had to happen.

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#475657 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You believe what someone told you God's word said.
'Mary's question (Luke 1:34), the angel's answer (Luke 1:35-37), Joseph's way of behaving in his doubt (Matthew 1:19-25), Christ's words addressed to the Jews (John 8:19) show that Mary retained her virginity during the conception of her Divine Son.
As to Mary's virginity after her childbirth, it is not denied by St. Matthew's expressions "before they came together" (1:18), "her firstborn son" (1:25), nor by the fact that the New Testament books repeatedly refer to the "brothers of Jesus".[66] The words "before they came together" mean probably, "before they lived in the same house", referring to the time when they were merely betrothed; but even if the words be understood of marital intercourse, they only state that the Incarnation took place before any such intercourse had intervened, without implying that it did occur after the Incarnation of the Son of God.[67]
[66] Matt., xii, 46-47; xiii, 55-56; Mark, iii, 31-32; iii, 3; Luke, viii, 19-20; John, ii, 12; vii, 3, 5, 10; Acts, i, 14; I Cor., ix, 5; Galatians 1:19; Jude, 1
[67] cf. St. Jerome, in Matt., i, 2 (P.L., XXVI, 24-25)'
Source link: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm
"Mary retained her virginity during the conception of her Divine Son."

You need help.....where did I even imply that Mary did not retain her virginity during the time she was pregnant with Jesus????

Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

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#475658 Sep 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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........and yet here YOU are, despite the admonitions of your good priest.
You're generally on an even keel, but this isn't an Orthodox thread, so I'll assume you're not hear to get the latest and greatest updates on eastern Rite news and events.
I am not perfect and yes I am guilty also.I understand also that everytime I come here to argue that YES I am in great sin. Do you think I enjoy it??? NO not at all!! Not for one minute!!!The words of my priest saying what I posted to Clay rings in my mind and I am trying to listen to them.Spiritual warfare is a daily battle.The evil one gets his kicks everytime someone sins.He knows everyones weakness and will use that weakness to cause them to fall into sin.WE ALL sin when we come this forum and argue with each other.Christ must have tears in his eyes!And to answer you to as why I am here...well,when I first came to this forum I was looking for Christian friendship.Then as time went by and reading posts and the name calling and the personal attacks on fellow Christians, I got caught up in the drama also.Frankly,I think fighting is a waste of time and no good comes from it.I am tired of it.And guess what, I do spend a lot of time on Orthodox sites and listening to beautiful Orthodox chants.I am happy with my faith as others are happy with theirs.We all feel Gods love in different ways and I except that.

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#475659 Sep 10, 2013
StarC wrote:
Oxbow wrote:
"Rosesz
You never answered my question: Do you have any idea what Christ said must, absolutely, without any doubt whatever, no exceptions, happen for you to enter into Heaven?????
You, evidently, don't know, or you would have replied.
You call God, Father. No one can claim that status as a natural birthright...some are children of the father of all lies...the devil..
Share with us the events that occurred in your life that culminated in you becoming one of His daughters..."
TO WHICH confrinting wrote....
<quoted text>
Protestant vs protestant!! Again!
Not surprised, happens all the time, go off and start a new church with your own made up rules.
You left off my reply to confrit to make your silly vain comment about sons and daughters of God....

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