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#473246 Aug 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Example: Up until the 1930's, all of Christendom was unanimous. Contraception was wrong. Gradually, one Protestant sect after another has come to embrace Contraception and now, the Catholic Church stands alone in forbidding the use of it.
The reason: We are not the authors of life, God is. We have no business using sex for recreational purposes and this gift of sex should only be used within the covenant of the sacrament of Marriage, where the husband and wife are OPEN to the possibility that there sexual encounter will bring forth life. Sex is the method that God uses to bring life into this world.
The Pope at the time (or shortly after) prophesied that contraception would open the door to promiscuity and recreational sex. Boy was he right.
Protestants on the other hand, saw no reason to forbid contraceptions. Perhaps because there is no Biblical verse that condemns it.
That's the world you guys created with sola scripture.
That's why we need an Earthly authority that's protected from error on things like this.
You guys have on such authority but you and your interpretations of the Bible.
Vatican: Condoms For HIV Prevention A Good Idea For Everyone
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../vatican-condoms-fo... ;
Nov 23, 2010 - Vatican: Condoms For HIV Prevention A Good Idea For Everyone ... In the book, "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the ...

FYI...condoms also prevent pregnancies!!!! Honest injun'

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

CHRISTMAS

#473247 Aug 27, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
ONLY in Jesus Christ, in and ONLY in and through the Catholic Church and the Catholic Faith, is the door opened to "TRUE Salvation and a TRUE Born Again experience, by: 1)receiving Jesus Christ (each and every day) AT DAILY MASS in the Eucharist, as well as 2) Accepting and Committing to a "personal relationship" with Our Lord (each and every day AT DAILY MASS through confession and absolution! 3) with the opportunity to TRULY GROW IN THE FAITH of Christ!!
Bible Only Protestantism amounts to "little" more than Sunday only "lip service" (throwing around a few "self opinionated" bible verses, singing a couple of stanzas of Rock of Ages, followed by coffee and donuts, and that is about "it" for the week..... Sola Scriptura "fundamentalism" is "superficial and shallow" man-made belief, that is lacking "any sort of indepthness" to it, or better described as "talkative Christianity" (quoting "or better yet mis-quoting bible verses),ALWAYS predicated upon hostily attacking and aggressively criticizing and attempting to "dig up" some kind of (fictitious) dirt against Jesus Christ HIMSELF, and His Oneogy and Church History Studies......Bible only Protestantism is a "unbiblical belief that has "absolutely no basis of ANY biblical or historical truth" to back up ANYTHING that it teaches!!! That is why over 2000 years ago, Jesus (PERSONALLY) gave HIS followers the FULLNESS of the FAITH and the FULLNESS of the TRUTH in Our Lords One True Apostolic Catholic Church, founded and established by JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!!. "Anything and everything" apart from HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH is (half-truth--"at best" OR "relative truth" Christianity!!(what each person decides for themselves to be true!!!! I/we as Catholics will continue to remain with the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ, manifested in the FULLNESS of the TRUTH and the FAITH! There are many "good Protestants with good intentions that are mis-guided and have been duped by sola scriptura fundamentalism with 42,000 contradicting denominations, each with their own "self-interpreting" popes!!..With that being said, you "fundies can believe and do what you want!!!..
GOD BLESS you HOJO

You equate disbelief in a Pope and an institution..with disbelief and heresy towards,CHRIST ???

So you think your friends who were born again are not saved .??

Salvation ...And for that matter the,Church in which I got baptized ..

Had nothing to do with.

The,CHURCH itself

Mention of the CATHOLIC Church ..never happened .

Unlike you I had no need of renouncing the actual teachings,I received about Jesus,in order to be born again of the SPIRIT .

You seem to think Bible believing Churches,spend their time of worship talking about Catholics ..when you know,that's not true ..it's NOT a part of the the Gospel..or of Faith .

Your former friends,might if you keep telling them they need Mass,to be saved!!!

Jesus told us to believe ..if you want to attend Mass,every day .as,praise to OUR LORD GREAT .Good for you ..BUT it's sad you think that adds,one thing to
The SACRIFICE IN THE CROSS,.

if you miss mass every day or even on a,SUNDAY ..are you unsaved until you go to confession??

That doesn't say much for all that He suffered if that's,true .

Thinking that your Church ..can add to the sacrifice is,sad..;IMO

Peter was not there ..he was in hiding ..he was a human being .

He DiD nothing but preach the gospel ..And,God bless him..he ALONG with the other a apostles will rule over THE JEWS

In his,earthly life
he would never accept a crown tiara,...nor have a anyone kiss his,ring
..

You can repeat over and over your 2000 year mantra,that only the CATholic CHURCH brings,TRUE salvation .

You need it great for you .

I will put my faith where it belongs ..JESUS sacrificed ..body and Spirit on that Cross ..His blood washes us CLEAN .
Peter..indulgences ..penance ..had nothing to do with it.

Peter was a MAN used by the SPIRIT to spread the Good W Ord .
Plain Jane

Orlando, FL

#473248 Aug 27, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Transubstantiation is derived from the Latin term tansubsubstaniato, meaning ”change of substance”. This term was incorporated into the creed of the Forth Latern Council in A.D. 1215.
Transubstantiation is defined by the Roman Catholic Church’s Council of Trent as follows:“By the consecration of the bread and wine, a conversion (or change) is made of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood; which conversion is, by the holy Catholic Church, suitably and properly called Transubstantiation.”
The Catechism of the Council of Trent expands this belief by stating:“In this sacrament are contained not only the true body of Christ, and all the constituents of a true body, such as bones and sinews, but also Christ whole and entire”. It also explains,“Christ whole and entire, is contained, not only under either species, but also in each particle of the same species.”(Species = bread and wine)
The Church of Rome teaches that when the priest in the Mass blesses the bread, it is no longer bread but Jesus Christ himself and similarly the wine is Jesus Christ himself.
This poses a question? Has this Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation always been taught since the time of the Apostles? Has this doctrine that the bread and wine of communion actually transforms into the actual body of Christ, been understood and accepted by the early Christian laity and Apostles?
What's wrong with faith in real presence? Yes, it was certainly understood that way by much of the early church.

It is a matter of faith. I happen to disagree. But so what? No one can prove the other wrong.

Above all, it does not affect the fundamental moral and ethical teachings of Jesus. So why all the fuss?

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#473249 Aug 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to interrupt your propaganda leaflet, but the Council of Trent was called by the Holy Catholic Church to define the teachings from the Apostles that YOU guys were undoing. It was called to counter the absurd teachings the latest heretics were introducing into Christendom.
Transsubstantiation was the title given to a belief that was always there in Christianity. Including that of the Orthodox faith. The belief was from the Apostles. The actual title, from the Church at the Council of Trent.
As in most cases, Protestants plaster it on a stupid leaflet and say "see, the Catholic Church just made up another doctrine".
This shows you're about as interested in truth as a tree stump. Your hands ain't washed. We Catholics have shown you countless writings from the early Church as well as very blatant words from scripture by Our Lord, describing what the bread and wine is.
Horse apples...its wine...not blood....

Priest are afraid of getting arrested for dui after they leave mass!!!! There is no alcohol in blood...but there surely is in wine....

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473250 Aug 27, 2013
I suggest that both Catholics and Protestant study the following, so you understand what crafty theologians did to mess with your brain-cells.

Keep in mind that within your theology there is only one god and his name is Jehovah.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>

Old Testament God Jehovah is Satan!

February 26, 2011 by theupliftingcrane

Old Testament Jehovah is Satan!
(Highlights)

“The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.”~ Bible, Exodus 15:3

In Hebrew, Je or Jeh or Jah means Lord or God [ref].

The suffix “hovah” is No. 1943 in Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary and has the meaning of “ruin, mischief.”

It is another form of No. 1942,‘havvah’, which is translated “calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.”

Put the two (Je + hovah) together and you get “God of ruin, mischief, calamity, perversion, and wickedness”. And don’t forget ‘noisome‘– which means it stinks! Simply put, Jehovah is The God of Evil!

http://theupliftingcrane.wordpress.com/2011/0...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473251 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

Distressed hojo?*sighs*
Hey everyone - hojo needs a HUG!!!!
*HUG*
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I've got THE TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church, to "embrace" each and every day, at Daily Mass, the Eucharist (Jesus' TRUE BODY and TRUE BLOOD, the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the Bible, the 7 Sacraments, and the Adoration Prayer Chapel with the Blessed Sacrament, praying for your misguided, condemning and judgmental anti-catholic souls!!..... You, New Age can "LUV" yourself to death!!!
No you don't.

Please stop trying to bullshite others.

Your posts are mean, hateful, and absurd at times. You continuously repeat the same ol' garbage, all the while never posting any substance to have others think of you any differently.

Suggestion - man up, be much more respectful to others, and learn your religion, because you ahven't done any of this yet to even say what you have.

Good luck!

Oh yeah, thanks for reading my post!

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#473252 Aug 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to interrupt your propaganda leaflet, but the Council of Trent was called by the Holy Catholic Church to define the teachings from the Apostles that YOU guys were undoing. It was called to counter the absurd teachings the latest heretics were introducing into Christendom.
Transsubstantiation was the title given to a belief that was always there in Christianity. Including that of the Orthodox faith. The belief was from the Apostles. The actual title, from the Church at the Council of Trent.
As in most cases, Protestants plaster it on a stupid leaflet and say "see, the Catholic Church just made up another doctrine".
This shows you're about as interested in truth as a tree stump. Your hands ain't washed. We Catholics have shown you countless writings from the early Church as well as very blatant words from scripture by Our Lord, describing what the bread and wine is.
You ignore the Word of God..

That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Wherefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Ye eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood: and shall ye possess the land?

Catlicks drink blood and lift their eyes to their idols.....

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473253 Aug 27, 2013
Had the Catholics written "THE HOLY AND EVIL BIBLE" on their COVER ... I suggest that not even one of you lusting preachers would find that title appealing.

You all WANT to believe that you are HOLY ... period.

Arrogance is YOURS to have and to BE-hold!

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#473255 Aug 27, 2013
Not all catlicks are cannibals...

(Catholic Debate on the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, 1998)

... some 70% of Catholics in America deny transubstantiation ...

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473256 Aug 27, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll stick to the TRUTH of over 2000 years of TRUE CHURCH HISTORY and the TRUE INTERPRETATION of the BIBLE worshipping, following and living each day in the FAITH and SALVATION of Jesus Christ, in and through HIS One True Apostolic Catholic Church that HE established and initiated in Matthew 16:13-21........I'll leave the "insults" to you June since that is YOUR EXPERTISE!!!!
FYI - just like all of your posts, all you ever do is insult others.

Hypocrite.

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473257 Aug 27, 2013
Most people in religion don't appreciate the belief that non-human animals are on the same path concerning the will to survive as are human-animals.

Human animals more often than not insist that they deserve to survive death of their own bodies, so they created religion to gain up-man-ship over other animals.

The emotion of arrogance in humans is the driving force that created religion.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#473258 Aug 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
THE WAY OF THE CROSS LEADS HOME...
Try as you will...You Roman Catholics...cannot replace
Jesus Christ with any of your Lil gods....
Your stage props... nor your supporting actors...
Those that you revere and worship...are only figments
of your carnally mind...
Rituals.. Icons.. idols... and other excess baggage...
BAGGAGE THAT have no place in worship of God....
THEY ONLY ENHANCE AND FEED THE APPETITES OF THE FLESH..
WHEN GOD APPROACHED MOSES at the burn bush...
GOD would not allow ... so much as MOSES' shoes..to
be ...between HIM an Moses...
You Roman Catholics have a whole mountain of
paraphernalia between you and God...
Every thing in your religion is PROXY...
WHEN YOU SHOULD BE
Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,
--> despising<-- the ==>shame,<==
and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
---
--> despising<--defined in Greek
G2706
&#954;&#945;&#964; &#945;&#966;&#961; &#959;&#957;&#949; &#769;&#969;
kataphroneo&#772;
kat-af-ron-eh'-o
From G2596 and G5426; to think against, that is, disesteem:- despise.
THE ==>shame,<==
G152
&#945;&#953;&#787; &#963;&#967;&#965; &#769;&#957;&#951;
aischune&#772;
ahee-skhoo'-nay
From G153; shame or disgrace (abstractly or concretely):- dishonesty, shame.
___
You have placed a whole mountain of needless....
corruptible ....people
places and
things,..
.between you and GOD.
some where beneath your pomp pride and rituals you have
buried Jesus..
On this forum you don't even give HIM HONORABLE MENTION
YOU DISPLAY HIM IN A POSITION OF ==>SHAME<==...
THAT HE -->DESPISED<-- ON WHAT YOU CALL A CRUCIFIX...
YOU NEVER DISPLAY JESUS...IN VICTORY ..over.. death
hell... and ...the grave.
you present YOUR POPE... MARY..SAINTS...RITUALS..YOUR (so called) CHURCH...TO THE WORLD...
TELL ME ...WHERE DOES JESUS EVER COME INTO YOUR CONVERSATION...
EONS AGO YOU EVIDENTLY REPLACED HIM WITH ALL THE ABOVE AND MORE...
There is only one that was nailed to the Cross...
and He said
Joh_15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for
-->without me ye can do nothing. <---
AND WITH OUT HIM YOU ARE NOTHING..
For your information, Confrinting, the Catholic Church, has,is and will ALWAYS be "grounded, solidified, nourished and sustained in JESUS CHRIST as Lord and Savior,(FIRST and foremost)--- with the Eucharist (CHRISTS TRUE BODY and BLOOD),--and----in the TRUTH of Jesus' own spoken WORDS in the TRUTH of the Gospel which is proclaimed (each and every day) at Daily Mass,---and----IN THE TRUE WORD which is ministered IN and THROUGH Our Lords One (and only one) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.(EVERY SINCLE DAY) However-- you "wouldn't know ANYTHING about ANYTHING that is being proclaimed, taught and preached in the Catholic Church because you are (to busy) spreading your (so-called) Christian preaching that is "laced with NOTHING but (your own vindictive condemnation and judgement of other Christians (especially Catholics. You ministry consists of NOTHING but listing a bunch of bible verse that are (filled with distorted and deceitful "opinionated anti-catholic hate-filled lies" around this forum, that have "corrupted" your heart, mind and soul!! You don't for God------"never have" and "never will" until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ!!!

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

CHRISTMAS

#473259 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Yelling is not going to change anyone.
Try to be a little more understanding of what others believe, as they are of your beliefs.
That is something no religion will ever teach you, but your Self can - that is if you listen more than thinking you know what you are talking about when it comes to your religion.
In truth LTM - my opinion is that you know only what you have been told and you seem to lack a lot of knowledge related to the reasons these beliefs were put into the minds of men.
Chill out

He has a,problem seeing ..that's why he uses,caps ..he's,not telling
Clay

United States

#473260 Aug 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
GOD BLESS you HOJO
You equate disbelief in a Pope and an institution..with disbelief and heresy towards,CHRIST ???
So you think your friends who were born again are not saved .??
Salvation ...And for that matter the,Church in which I got baptized ..
Had nothing to do with.
The,CHURCH itself
Mention of the CATHOLIC Church ..never happened .
Unlike you I had no need of renouncing the actual teachings,I received about Jesus,in order to be born again of the SPIRIT .
You seem to think Bible believing Churches,spend their time of worship talking about Catholics ..when you know,that's not true ..it's NOT a part of the the Gospel..or of Faith .
Your former friends,might if you keep telling them they need Mass,to be saved!!!
Jesus told us to believe ..if you want to attend Mass,every day .as,praise to OUR LORD GREAT .Good for you ..BUT it's sad you think that adds,one thing to
The SACRIFICE IN THE CROSS,.
if you miss mass every day or even on a,SUNDAY ..are you unsaved until you go to confession??
That doesn't say much for all that He suffered if that's,true .
Thinking that your Church ..can add to the sacrifice is,sad..;IMO
Peter was not there ..he was in hiding ..he was a human being .
He DiD nothing but preach the gospel ..And,God bless him..he ALONG with the other a apostles will rule over THE JEWS
In his,earthly life
he would never accept a crown tiara,...nor have a anyone kiss his,ring
..
You can repeat over and over your 2000 year mantra,that only the CATholic CHURCH brings,TRUE salvation .
You need it great for you .
I will put my faith where it belongs ..JESUS sacrificed ..body and Spirit on that Cross ..His blood washes us CLEAN .
Peter..indulgences ..penance ..had nothing to do with it.
Peter was a MAN used by the SPIRIT to spread the Good W Ord .
Does this sound like your church or ours?

"Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church; it is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the Bishop. Therefore whatever has his approval will be pleasing to God, Thus will be safe and valid"

This was the Church the Apostles set up. It was written by one of their validly ordained Bishops around 95 AD. Ignatius of Antioch was ordained by Peter and studied under the Apostle John.

Apostolic succession ensured the word of God would be protected. You guys offer no such assurance as evident by the ever-evolving opinions from generation to generation of Protestantland.

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473261 Aug 27, 2013
If you study words, you will always see arrogance in religion.

Notice the word "regressing" in concern with non-human animals. In other words ... when humans were created ... the creator elevated them above other animals.

It's always handy to have a creator that plays your own games with you. Sarcasm intended
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>

AMORC (also known as ‘The Rosicrucian Order’.)

The soul and personality of the person move onto the cosmic plane at death, and when the time is right, the personality begins another incarnation; never regressing to animals and only occasionally changing sex.

http://www.ccgm.org.au/index.php ...

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#473262 Aug 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are not a saint OR a demon?
Rumor has it that there is no place in an "afterlife" for you, as the god has no middle road. You either go to heaven or to hell ... especially since the theologians did away with purgatory.
:)
OH ... I beg your pardon. Apparently Muslims still have a purgatory in their institutions ... just in case you are interested in going there.
:)
Your missing something...hmmmmmm oh I know....its a heart! Maybe you will find one at the Emerald City!!

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473263 Aug 27, 2013
I don't believe that I regress to other animals. I believe I am an animal of no more worth than other animals ... except when it pertains to my own survival. Then I am quite sure I would not only eat non-human meat, but I would fill my stomach with human meat if it meant my own survival.

Let's be REAL. We are nothing special.

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473265 Aug 27, 2013
Starving humans have been humbled by recognizing how when it pertained to their own survival they were nothing other than mortal animals.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>

The survivors of the shipwrecks of the Essex and Méduse in the 19th century are said to have engaged in cannibalism, as are the members of Franklin's lost expedition and the Donner Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#473266 Aug 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mean to interrupt your propaganda leaflet, but the Council of Trent was called by the Holy Catholic Church to define the teachings from the Apostles that YOU guys were undoing. It was called to counter the absurd teachings the latest heretics were introducing into Christendom.
Transsubstantiation was the title given to a belief that was always there in Christianity. Including that of the Orthodox faith. The belief was from the Apostles. The actual title, from the Church at the Council of Trent.
As in most cases, Protestants plaster it on a stupid leaflet and say "see, the Catholic Church just made up another doctrine".
This shows you're about as interested in truth as a tree stump. Your hands ain't washed. We Catholics have shown you countless writings from the early Church as well as very blatant words from scripture by Our Lord, describing what the bread and wine is.
wrong...the Orthodox believe in Consubstantiation. the bread remains bread but exist along side the real presents of Christ..

Since: Sep 09

Fraser Lake, Canada

#473267 Aug 27, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Your missing something...hmmmmmm oh I know....its a heart! Maybe you will find one at the Emerald City!!
You must be a saint in your own mind, as there is no place in any religion for demons to be rewarded with eternal bliss. And it is plain by your preaching that you EXPECT eternal bliss for being such a faithful preacher.

Isn't that RIGHT ... oh self-perceived holy faithful one?

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