Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#473201 Aug 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU WROTE
I lived your bible only heretical (half-truth)- so-called Christianity for over 35 years
YOU LIE...THROUGH YOU TEETH...
IF YOU HAD EVER BEEN
A TRULY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT INTO YOUR ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT..
YOU EVIDENTLY ATTENDED
THE FIRST ICE BOX CHURCH WHERE THE PREACHER FEED THE CONGREGATION
FROZEN T.V. DINNERS....AND YOU ENJOYED THE HAPPY HOUR...IN THE BASEMENT..
WHERE MANY WERE COLD AND FEW WERE FROZEN...
WHERE IF JESUS WERE TO HAVE ATTENDED... ONCE ..YOU DEACONS WOULD HAVE
EVICTED HIM...
SO YOU TRADED ONE SOCIAL CLUB FOR ANOTHER...
YOU HAVEN'T THE SLIGHTEST IDEA WHAT A TRUE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE IS...
BUT IF YOU GET INTO HEAVEN YOU WILL HAVE TO OBEY JESUS
HE SAID...
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
iFYOU HAD LIVED
My personal faith, Salvation and born again experience in Jesus Christ (THANK GOD) is NOT dependent upon your "condemning, and judgmental anti-catholic ministry that is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT upon hate, hostility and vengeance against Jesus Christ HIMSELF, and His One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.......... Your bible verse quoting (or better yet misquoting) ministry is as "distorted and heretical" as it gets!...... You DO NOT speak for God, "never have" and "never will" until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ, manifested in and through His One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church!!!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473202 Aug 26, 2013
Any way you want to slice it, dice it, vulcanize it, pasteurize it, Mary a virgin evermore is not...per Scripture...

Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

Its not a matter of "when" she lost it...its a matter of "she lost it!!!!!!"
truth

Perth, Australia

#473203 Aug 26, 2013
In suffering i don't see any love there..on Cross..no
its pain which not ever exist before..
there no any friends
there every law fall
there not not Mercy
where
INRI
Are you for sure its not correct Cross?

n

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473204 Aug 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
My personal faith, Salvation and born again experience in Jesus Christ (THANK GOD) is NOT dependent upon your "condemning, and judgmental anti-catholic ministry that is COMPLETELY DEPENDENT upon hate, hostility and vengeance against Jesus Christ HIMSELF, and His One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.......... Your bible verse quoting (or better yet misquoting) ministry is as "distorted and heretical" as it gets!...... You DO NOT speak for God, "never have" and "never will" until you come to TRUE SALVATION in Jesus Christ, manifested in and through His One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church!!!
There is noting more pleasing to a born again Christian than to hear the testimony of a other born again Christian...How bout it....want to share yours????
truth

Perth, Australia

#473205 Aug 26, 2013
remember your law serve evil law
its not my law
noooooooooo

your people produce anything so ever then blame others
your people wish so ever then have that
your people do again and again

your masters is not my masters
your lords is not my lords no

How many Masters you have?
How many Lords you have?

there every law fall

where
on Cross..
truth

Perth, Australia

#473206 Aug 26, 2013
about your syntetic skin and spirit in mjesina as diple..
they liked died but can't
its bring me with light
i see your born again
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
they liked died but can't
its opens wounds
they liked died but can't..

its bring me in light
i see they liked died but can't
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#473207 Aug 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever your life has been or has not been, changes not the truth in my post...
Your baseless nonsense changes not the truth: Quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia is not distorting, twisting,I pray that by the Grace of God, your eyes and ears will someday be opened.
At the present time you are blind as a bat and deaf as a stone!!!!
Your personal opinionated "bible only editorialism is as contradicting and inconsistently distorted as it gets!.....ALL 42,000 of your conflicting Protestant denominations!!!!... Go "scam" the National Inquire with your anti-catholic "trash talking"!...... They are always looking for "throw away" and discarded" (junk news)......... Jesus Christs One TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH remains, the Way, the Truth and the Life for ALL of Jesus' TRUE followers at Daily Mass and the Eucharist!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473208 Aug 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Your personal opinionated "bible only editorialism is as contradicting and inconsistently distorted as it gets!.....ALL 42,000 of your conflicting Protestant denominations!!!!... Go "scam" the National Inquire with your anti-catholic "trash talking"!...... They are always looking for "throw away" and discarded" (junk news)......... Jesus Christs One TRUE CATHOLIC CHURCH remains, the Way, the Truth and the Life for ALL of Jesus' TRUE followers at Daily Mass and the Eucharist!
Whatever your life has been or has not been, changes not the truth in my post...

Your baseless nonsense changes not the truth: Quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia is not distorting, twisting,I pray that by the Grace of God, your eyes and ears will someday be opened.

At the present time you are blind as a bat and deaf as a stone!!!!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#473209 Aug 26, 2013
Page 1 of 3

Transubstantiation is derived from the Latin term tansubsubstaniato, meaning ”change of substance”. This term was incorporated into the creed of the Forth Latern Council in A.D. 1215.

Transubstantiation is defined by the Roman Catholic Church’s Council of Trent as follows:“By the consecration of the bread and wine, a conversion (or change) is made of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of His blood; which conversion is, by the holy Catholic Church, suitably and properly called Transubstantiation.”

The Catechism of the Council of Trent expands this belief by stating:“In this sacrament are contained not only the true body of Christ, and all the constituents of a true body, such as bones and sinews, but also Christ whole and entire”. It also explains,“Christ whole and entire, is contained, not only under either species, but also in each particle of the same species.”(Species = bread and wine)

The Church of Rome teaches that when the priest in the Mass blesses the bread, it is no longer bread but Jesus Christ himself and similarly the wine is Jesus Christ himself.

This poses a question? Has this Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation always been taught since the time of the Apostles? Has this doctrine that the bread and wine of communion actually transforms into the actual body of Christ, been understood and accepted by the early Christian laity and Apostles?
marge

Ames, IA

#473210 Aug 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have enough love to answer my questions of about two weeks ago???
Do you deny the SBC Faith Message: Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin.
Do you deny the Catholic teaching: Jesus Christ the Son of God the redeemer of the Human Race...
Not sbc but would deny it because it uses the word 'incarnation'. that's as far as i read:)
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#473211 Aug 26, 2013
Page 2 of 3

In the book of Acts, Chapter 2, verse 42 and in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians, Chapter 10 verse 16, the term used for what we know as communion today was “breaking of bread.” The term communion seems to become the common vernacular by the Councils of Elura and Arles in A.D. 314 and again at Nice in A.D. 325. In A.D. 418, the term the Lord’s Supper is used in the notes from the Council of Carthage. Irenaeus used the term Oblation to agree with biblical terminology found in 1 Corinthians Ch. 11:20. Pliny uses the term Sacrament in a letter to Trajan and also to Tertullian and Cyprian. The original meaning of the term Eucharist, was simply thanksgiving and in this sense was used by Ignatius, Irenaeus, Origen and others. Justin Martyr, Origen, Eusebius and Chrysostom also call the communion ”Memorial”. The Latin terminology of the “Mass” originally signified the dismissal of a Church assembly. It then came to be applied to the assembly itself, as Eusebius uses it in his History of the Church, and from there it came to denote the Communion Service. It was not until Ambrose, that the term Mass was used to denote communion. At no time in the early history of the church was the doctrine of Transubstantiation used or employed to mean that the bread and wine turn into the body of Jesus. But we do know there seems to be an introduction of heresy that would affect how the Roman Catholic Church would eventually practice “communion,” in the 4th century when the queen of heaven, under the name of Mary, was beginning to be worshiped in the Christian Church, this ” unbloody sacrifice” was also brought in. Epiphanius states that the practice of offering and eating it began among the women of Arabia; and at that time it was well known to have been adopted from the Pagans.(Se Epiphanius, Adversus Hoereses, Vol.1 P 1054."

With the passage of time and further introduction of pagan practices into Roman Catholicism, a friar named Anastatius, In A.D. 637, rejected the figurative language and employed the doctrine of ”Real Presence”. In A.D. 754, at the Council of Constantinople, John Damascene, a condemned image-worshipper wrote:“The bread and wine are supernaturally changed by the invocation and coming of the Holy Ghost into the body and blood of Jesus Christ, and are not two, but one and the sameâ&#128;¦ The bread and wine are not the type or the figure of the body and blood of Jesus Christ – ah, God forbid!– but the body itself of our Lord deified.” Pashus Radbert the Abbot of Corbie advanced this doctrine even further. In A.D. 818 he wrote a treatise, which finally overthrew both the Scriptural belief and the early church history. He stated,“What was received in the Sacrament is the same flesh as that which was born of the Virgin Mary, and which suffered death for us; and though the figure of bread and wine doth remain, yet you must absolutely believe that, after consecration, it is nothing but the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.” This doctrine was further developed and finally made a dogma by Pope Innocent III.

However, it was not without opposition from within the Roman Catholic Church that this doctrine came to pass. Pashus Radbert writes ”that there are many that in these mystical things are of another opinion.” Others who were against this doctrine within the Roman Catholic Church were Aefric, Abbot of Malmesbury (A.D.905) and Berengarius, Peter Lombard (A.D.1150) and Bede in the 8th Century. The early church fathers opposed this doctrine. They never acknowledged any change in the elements or believed in any corporal presence. Tertullian stated “Christ, having taken the bread and given it to His disciples, made it His body by saying,“This is my body’, that is, the figure of my body."
truth

Perth, Australia

#473212 Aug 26, 2013
design..is part of creation..synthetic skin is nothing with born and spirit that you call one save for ever save..noooooooooooooooo

i told you
there every law fall
INRI
there not love
no
there is not mercy
n o
there is not born again no

its Cross
INRI
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#473213 Aug 26, 2013
Page 3 of 3

Even Orgien, acknowledges “that they (bread and wine) are figures which are written in the sacred volumes; therefore as spiritual not as carnal, examine and understand what is said. For if as carnal you receive them, they hurt, not nourish you.” Both Cyril of Jerusalem and Eusebius of Caesarea denied Transubstantiation. Cyril stated,“Under the type of bread His body given unto thee, and under the type of wine His blood given unto thee.” Eusebius qualifies communion as “Christ Himself gave the symbols of the Divine ceremony to His own disciples that the image of His own body should be made. He appointed to use bread as a symbol of His own body.” Furthermore, supporters of Rome and the papacy suggested that “there was nothing in the Gospels that may enforce us to understand Christ’s words properly, yea, nothing in the text (‘This is My body’) hinders but those words may as well be taken in a metaphysical sense, as the words of the Apostle,‘the Rock was Christ’â&#128;¦ That part, which the Gospel hath not expressed, viz., the conversion of the bread in the body and blood of Christ, we have received expressly from the Church.” Bellarmine, another Roman scholar admitted “there is no express place of Scripture to prove Transubstantiation without the declaration of the Church.”

Since Roman Catholic Church scholars cannot find a scriptural basis for this doctrine, is it any wonder that those who believe that the Bible is God’s word (and it is complete for instruction in life, doctrine and righteousness), also are unable to find a scriptural basis for Transubstantiation and therefore would reject it as a Truth from God and necessary for salvation. Therefore, as we have been given a sound mind and are instructed to search the scriptures to see what is true and then to hold fast to what is true, we find the doctrine of Transubstantiation illogical! The Lord Jesus at the Last Supper handed the broken bread to the apostles and stated,“This is my body”. However He was in his earthly body, 100 percent human. Yet this doctrine would destroy human nature by having the ability to be in multiple places at one time. Rome teaches that Christ is corporally on the altar but without any “accidents.” Accidents mean color, scent, form, and taste, the very things that make substances discernable. Yet again, we are to deny all logic and sensibility to believe that Christ is present upon the altar!

Christ warned that deceivers would come among us to deceive us and to tell us that He was here or there and that we were not to believe them. Christ also warned us that we were to be on guard against the leaven of the Pharisees, those who teach the precepts of man as the doctrines of God. Again, Rome is at variance with it’s own scholars and the early church fathers, as it teaches a doctrine (Transubstantiation) from men as the precepts of God. With this unbiblical form of teaching in the Roman Catholic Church, is it any wonder that they end up perverting the sacrament of communion by withholding the communion cup from the laity. The Council of Constance in A.D.1414 first formalized this doctrine. Pope Innocent III formalized it later and pronounced it a doctrine and then The Council of Trent (1537) confirmed his heresy. Even though the Council of Constance freely admits,“that the cup was received by all in former times,” they nonetheless go ahead and destroy the sacrament, this precious sacrament that the Lord Jesus Christ himself gave to us.“Do this in remembrance of me”

If you are Roman Catholic, we would ask you to turn to the Holy Scriptures and re-read the passages that teach about this sacrament and see if you can find the doctrine of Transubstantiation without the filter of the Roman Catholic Church. May God open your eyes and may the scales fall from them in order that you may come to His table and enjoy this sacrament, both the bread and the wine, in truth.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#473214 Aug 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
I lived your bible only heretical (half-truth)- so-called Christianity for over 35 years and it is NOTHING but a bunch of contradicting and inconsistent distorting and manipulating of the TRUTH of the TRUE BIBLE INTERPRETATION of the Bible---AND---TRUE Church History........ You bible only "fundies" have been living this lie for "so long" that you are actually beginning to believe "your own lies"!!! Quite frankly, "I could care less, as to WHAT you believe"!....... I/we as Catholic KNOW "without a doubt" that the TRUTH has, is and will ALWAYS grounded, sustained, confirmed and supported by over 2000 years of the historical and biblical TRUTH in and through Jesus Christ and His One TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church......... You, OX, can KEEP YOUR (half-truth, half-heresy) Christianity, FOR ALL I CARE!!! IT IS ALL YOURS!!!...Go argue with your other 42,000 bible only "fundies" who don't agree with you EITHER!..... It is a "total waste of my time" -which is--better spent at Daily Mass, with Jesus in the Eucharist, the Sacraments, in prayer and the TRUE BIBLE TEACHINGS in the Catholic Church!!!
So for thirty five years..You were a CHRISTIAN.???

Born again in belief on Jesus,redeeming sacrifice??

Or did you just worship at a Church ??
Which is,true for many in all denominations..they fill
Pews,
So you are,saved only when you became a Catholic?

See I know,I was,NOT SAVED by a,Church ..any Church .

I had all the,sacraments,at the appropriate,age.
But age and even instruction does,not mean you have
Received Jesus in your heart ..no matter how much you want to (at one time the,Little,Flower was,my inspiration..I wanted to be just like her)

The Catholics CHURCH through the HOLY nuns planted the seed ..I knew,and believed what THEY told me about Jesus..the Cross .

But I was fifty years old when I came to TRUE HEARTFELT
love and belief in the,saving sacrifice if the Cross .
I cannot explain it
The why ..

I'm glad you found Jesus and He found you.

But you honestly believe you were NOT SAVEd until
The CC. AND what about the people you knew before .
Are they born Again?? Are they saved only by your Church .

Sorry the scripture your Church preserved ..says,JESUS
IS,SALVATION.

PETER was in hiding when the PRECIOUS BLOOD WAS SHED .
SO the CHURCH you say He founded ..it's head was not THERE.

The,HEAD OF THE CHURCH was there in the Saviour dying and taking our SIN to the Cross,

Peter ..blessed though he was ..Had nothing to do with
SALVATION..THE CROSS ..THE SACRIFICE ...except to spread HIS WORD ...along with the others who received the Holy Spirit ..

AND THAT WORD Was NOT build ME a Huge palace ..ensconced with a,pope ..

Amass wealth and Power in MY name .

That is NOT the message Jesus came to teach .

Did the CC spread and preserve the WORD ..yes,

But then they kept it in the hands of the priests to interpret .
In a,language the priests only could understand.

Won't go into the rest of your history ..has been talked about enough .

Indulgences ..the CC..which was,called the Roman Catholic CHURCH when I was,in it ..NONE of the PENANCE
dispensed by by the priests. Pays the price of ONE SIN.

JESUS ONLY as the perfect LAMB ..the perfect Son of Man
Is the ONLY sacrifice ..The One who drank the CUP of our Sins .

So I'm glad you are saved now ..But if you are its not the CC that saved you ...it's,Christ ..the ONLY
MEDIATOR with the FATHER.
truth

Perth, Australia

#473215 Aug 26, 2013
'it is written'
They will come in my name..many many many..
how many mother Mary..how many Jesus
some small some medium same tall..
some fat some skinny this or that..

Why is like that?

Are you for sure i am liar?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473216 Aug 26, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sbc but would deny it because it uses the word 'incarnation'. that's as far as i read:)
Both of my questions began with "do you deny the teaching..." I did not ask "would you deny"....

incarnation: the act of manifesting or state of being manifested in bodily form, esp human form

Incarnation occurred....Christ was manifested in human form!!!!

Say a rosary and go to bed...
truth

Perth, Australia

#473217 Aug 26, 2013
every incarnate spirit is not holy..
truth

Perth, Australia

#473218 Aug 26, 2013
there is a no love
there is a not Mercy
There every Law fall
where
on Cross
its horrible pain there
no friends there
nooooooooooooooooooooo
marge

Ames, IA

#473219 Aug 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Both of my questions began with "do you deny the teaching..." I did not ask "would you deny"....
incarnation: the act of manifesting or state of being manifested in bodily form, esp human form
Incarnation occurred....Christ was manifested in human form!!!!
Say a rosary and go to bed...
I know the word 'manifest', God was manifested in human form.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#473220 Aug 26, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the word 'manifest', God was manifested in human form.
The you are denying the teaching of the Catholics, the SBC and the Word of God...

So tell me....whose teaching are you following???

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