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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 627972 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#473326 Aug 27, 2013
Its wine stupid!!!!

Transubstantiation - The change of the substance of bread and wine into that of the Body and Blood of Christ...

Logic says, if indeed that is what happens when the priest does his munbo-jumbo at the altar with the wine, the volume of alcohol in the wine is meaningless, because there is no more wine...there is only blood!!!!!

And...the priests in Ireland would not be concerned about the lowering of the legal drinking level for drivers which might leave them stranded after Mass. Now would they?????

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473327 Aug 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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All of the first Christians were Jewish. They were the ones who said so.
Of course they were, they had to start somewhere.

It doesn't constitute "fulfillment status".
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#473328 Aug 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You forgot the part in the old testament of how Jehovah instructed the Jews that they were his chosen few.
:)
I mentioned that in a different post.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473329 Aug 27, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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The point was that God DOES use physical matter to convey His graces and His revelation to mankind.
I mentioned several "for instances" from the OT and a couple from the NT. Do you want me to type out more examples from the NT? There are several, if they aren't obvious, I'd be happy to point them out.
No need - I'm still trying to grasp how you and all of Christianity can accept limiting "God's inspiration".

When you can answer that, then you will have something to discuss.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#473330 Aug 27, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Its wine stupid!!!!!!!!
Drinking and Praying: Proposal Could Tip Irish Priests Over Legal Limit
Both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland want to lower the legal blood alcohol level for drivers. Priests are afraid it might affect their ability to motor around after Mass.
Bad Blood: Priests in Ireland are concerned that lowering the legal drinking level for drivers might leave them stranded after Mass.
The job description for a Catholic priest doesn't include a lot of perks -- perhaps one reason that their numbers are shrinking rapidly across the Western world. In Ireland, though, the gig might be further complicated by a new proposal to lower the legal blood alcohol limit for drivers. Priests there are speaking out against the proposal because it could render them legally drunk after performing Mass.
You've never been to a Mass then obviously.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473331 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Wow. You will promote supposed "talkign with God" in the OT, but nothing from the NT, except a vision here or there.

Do you even understand the NT?

Why would you promote primarily Jewish/Islam texts, when the NT supposedly replaced the "old Covenant"?
Just Sayin wrote:
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The point was that God DOES use physical matter to convey His graces and His revelation to mankind.
I mentioned several "for instances" from the OT and a couple from the NT. Do you want me to type out more examples from the NT? There are several, if they aren't obvious, I'd be happy to point them out.
...and your answer to this question?

"Why would you promote primarily Jewish/Islam texts, when the NT supposedly replaced the "old Covenant"?"

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473332 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Another thought on this post is, you sure have a lot of unanswered questions for others. What are youur answers to these same questions?
If you claim, that these are for our benefit [Self], why even be a partcipant in religion if your spirituality is restricted?
You don't limit "God", do you, like Christianity has done?
Just Sayin wrote:
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My answer is that, obviously, I have read the OT and know about all those examples which I typed up showing how God uses matter to communicate with His people.
Your last 2 questions make no sense to me.
"Why be a participant in religion if your spirituality is restricted?"
That makes as much sense to me as:
"Why rent a unicorn when water runs uphill?"
If you would like calrification of the question, then don't be shy or frustrated without responding, ask for clarity.

That is why it makes no sense to you, because you seem to refuse to follow-up on what it does mean.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#473333 Aug 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
Nice article here:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead...
"Many Protestants will argue, for instance, that God’s primary revelation is the Sacred Scriptures, while Catholics maintain that God’s primary revelation is Jesus Christ."
.....and it still doesn't change the fact Catholics only utilize a portion of his teachings to come to this decision of men.

Why do you believe teachings by men over teachings by Jesus?
Clay

United States

#473334 Aug 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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DOSITHEUS AND COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM (1672)
Thirty years later, under Dositheus, the Patriarch of Jerusalem, another council was held at Bethlehem where the Confession of Cyril Lucar was again considered. This Council reads on the Eucharist --
"In the celebration of this we believe that our Lord Jesus Christ is present, not figuratively, or in an image, or by superabundant grace, as in the other mysteries, nor by a simple presence, as some of the Fathers have said concerning Baptism, nor by conjunction, as that the Deity of the Word is personally united to the bread of the Eucharist which is set forth, as the LUTHERANS MOST IGNORANTLY AND MISERABLY THINK; but really and actually, so that after the consecration of the bread and the wine the bread is changed, TRANSUBSTANTIATED, transmade, and reordered, into the real body of the Lord itself, which was born in Bethlehem of the Ever-Virgin, was baptized in Jordan, suffered, was buried, rose, ascended, sitteth at the right hand of God the Father, and will come on the clouds of heaven; and the wine is transmade and TRANSUBSTANTIATED into the real blood of the Lord itself, which was poured forth for the life of the world when He hung on the cross.
"Further, we believe that after the consecration of the bread and the wine the SUBSTANCE of the bread and the wine NO LONGER REMAINS, but there is the body itself and the blood of the Lord in the species and form of the bread and the wine, that is to say, under the ACCIDENTS of the bread. Further, that the all-pure body itself and blood of the Lord are distributed and enter the mouth and stomach of the communicants, both pious and impious, only they convey to the pious and worthy remission of sins and eternal life, but they involve to the impious and unworthy condemnation and eternal punishment........."
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/num31.htm
That's the article I had in mind! Thanks.

I think Protestants and Orthodox refuse to call things by a certain name, simply because Catholics called it that first.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#473335 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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No need - I'm still trying to grasp how you and all of Christianity can accept limiting "God's inspiration".
When you can answer that, then you will have something to discuss.
If God were to reveal Himself to you in all His entirety (not veiling HImself in any way) and tell you everything He knows and everything about Himself, do you think you could understand it all and retain it all?

Since: Feb 08

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#473336 Aug 27, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Evidently you are lacking in love....
Do you have enough love to answer my questions of about two weeks ago???
Do you deny the SBC Faith Message: Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin.
Do you deny the Catholic teaching: Jesus Christ the Son of God the redeemer of the Human Race...
Yes,I believe that Jesus is the Son of God.

He was prophesied in the Old testament.

Isaiah 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matthew 1:18
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, >>>>God with us.

According to the scriptures,
He was with God in the beginning.
According to the scriptures,He was the Word and the Word was God.

Do you deny what the Holy scriptures say?
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#473337 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Wow. You will promote supposed "talkign with God" in the OT, but nothing from the NT, except a vision here or there.
Do you even understand the NT?
Why would you promote primarily Jewish/Islam texts, when the NT supposedly replaced the "old Covenant"?
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...and your answer to this question?
"Why would you promote primarily Jewish/Islam texts, when the NT supposedly replaced the "old Covenant"?"
"Replaced" does not equal "fulfilled."
That was my point.
The NT did not "replace" the OT. The NT *fulfilled* the OT.
That is why I "promote" Jewish stuff, because it is the background for Christian stuff.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#473338 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Another thought on this post is, you sure have a lot of unanswered questions for others. What are youur answers to these same questions?
If you claim, that these are for our benefit [Self], why even be a partcipant in religion if your spirituality is restricted?
You don't limit "God", do you, like Christianity has done?
<quoted text>
If you would like calrification of the question, then don't be shy or frustrated without responding, ask for clarity.
That is why it makes no sense to you, because you seem to refuse to follow-up on what it does mean.
Your question:
"Why be a participant in religion if your spirituality is restricted?"
My answer:
Firstly, Catholicism is not a "religion" in so far as it was not man who came up with it, it was God. One doesn't "participate" in Catholicism, one participates in a relationship with God. Catholicism teaches the way to have a healthy relationship with Him. Catholicism is not one religion among many, each "just as good" as the next.
Secondly, if you are trying to say that Catholicism restricts people's spirituality, all I can say is that you are wrong, or at least that your idea of non-restricted spirituality is very different than mine.
Come to think of it, describe what you think/feel is unrestricted spirituality. I'm curious.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#473339 Aug 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Listen Baptist hojo, you don't hold any truth, you never did.
You are correct New Age!...... I don't hold ANY truth, but Jesus Christ and HIS One TRUE Apostolic Catholic DOES hold the TRUTH!!!! And furthermore, it holds the FULLNESS of that TRUTH....Everything else; Every other Protestant bible only denomination since the Reformation has " gradually rejected" more and more of that truth, until today in the 21st century, all there is left is a hodge-podge of divided denominations of individual (half-truth) beliefs where each person "interprets their own truth ( better known as "relative truth"!!
Plain Jane

Orlando, FL

#473342 Aug 27, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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In the Old Testament times, God had chosen a group of people to reveal Himself to primarily. And through them, others could come to know God. As well as in the New Testament times, God has chosen a group of people to reveal Himself to primarily, and that is His Church. And through the Church, others might come to the knowledge of His revelation to mankind.
So like the old Tribes of Israel, Catholics are now God's new chosen people.

I've never heard that before. Where can we find this new Catholic teaching?
Pad

Rockford, IL

#473343 Aug 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Of course I studied the bible. That's how I recognized the lies.
You could do it too ... if only you would pay heed and tribute to your conscience for instance that a god of love would not allow a hell to exist anywhere, any time in his kingdom. That is a contradiction of terms ... one among many.
I recognized that was a lie when I was still a child.
I never believed in the existence of hell ... whether it was for Catholics, Protestants ... or those that disobeyed the teachings by the warring theologians in other religions.
Why does H e l l bother you so much June? So you think that if I agree with you God should not have it,and that it does not exist,because we do not believe it exists,that all of a sudden it will disappear?

I hate the whole concept of heaven and hell,actually I would like a place that makes everyone a changed vessel,so that they will throw away thinking that is garbage,and open their hearts and minds to God the Creator.But the Book tells us that both heaven and hell do exist and that those who reject evil and cling to the GOOD will ultimately go to heaven,and the opposite will end up in hell.

I did not make up the Bible,and even though I may not get goose bumps everytime I read it,it does set in my spirit a conformity to what is truth vs what is a lie.It bothers me everytime I read about the Hebrews killing everyone living in the places they took over,and when whole multitudes are wiped out,I think of the human suffering,as I am a human being.I do not get excited when the wicked suffer,nor do I want to see them all destroyed.Nevertheless,it troubles me when the wicked escape earthly judgment.But since I am only human,I have come to realize that heaven,hell,even the concept of purgatory as the Catholics believe are far above my own intellect.I cannot change what IS,I can only deal with my personality,and ask the LORD to change me from within.HE DOES just that! So all the things that are out there that I cannot change will have to remain either TRUTH or a LIE.

You want those things that trouble you to go away June,and sorry dear one,but the truth remains real,in spite of what you think,and lies remain active as long as human beings support them also.I do not doubt that God wants more than anything to set you straight that HE is not a Lie,but the ONE who will erase all doubt in you so that you can know HE is all Truth!
Clay

United States

#473344 Aug 27, 2013
Helpful Hints wrote:
<quoted text>When you say Catholic church do you mean the white pagan Roman Catholic Church of Mithra, the Jerusalem Catholic Church, the Antioch Catholic Church, the Alexandria Catholic Church or the Turkey Catholic Church?
White pagan Roman Catholic Church?? Whatever that is. Lol
The Catholic Church consist of over 20 Churches, in communion with the Bishop of Rome (Pope Francis).
'Roman' Catholic is a label that's not officially in use by the Church @ Rome. In fact,'Roman' is really a term that's used primarily in the English speaking world. It was first used by the Anglicans because they wanted to act like they were the Catholic Church and the people who follow the Pope, would now be called 'Roman' Catholics.
The Roman Catholic Church is the Church of the West.(I believe there are 22 other Catholic Churches of the East. But they still follow the Roman Pontif.)
Whatever, the Church is the Church. Our Lord started one.
'Catholic' is a Greek word meaning 'Universal'. Its original purpose was an Adjective describing the Church. Latin, Bryzantine Catholic, Syrian Catholic, Coptic, Oriental, Ethiopian, Greek, Roman etc, are all universal (Catholic) Churches.
Clay

United States

#473345 Aug 27, 2013
Plain Jane wrote:
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So like the old Tribes of Israel, Catholics are now God's new chosen people.
I've never heard that before. Where can we find this new Catholic teaching?
If Jesus Christ is God; And He started a Church....this Church would obviously replace Israel.
Its not a new teaching. Its as old as the Apostles.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#473346 Aug 27, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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What? Have you never read the Old Testament? Remember how God told Noah to build an ark by which His chosen might be saved? Remember how God spoke through a burning bush to Moses? Remember how Moses, at God's instruction, took his rod and cast it down before pharaoh and it turned into a snake? Remember the serpent on the pole that God told Moses to make so that the people who looked upon it might be healed?(Num 21:8) Have you never read the book of Exodus where God instructs Moses how God wanted the Tabernacle to be made? Did you just gloss over the elaborate detail involved? And how about the altar? The holy vessels to be used on the altar? The Ark of the Covenant? Remember how God told Moses to put the images of the seraphim on top of it? What about the temple Solomon built for God? Have you read how it was made? The details? The carvings, the olive trees, palm trees, pomegranates, oxen, lions? The cherub statues? The ephod and the theraphim and priestly garments?
Didn't God say to use water for baptism? Didn't Jesus use spit and mud as a paste to cure blindness? Indeed didn't Jesus become Incarnate Himself?
You really think God doesn't use matter to convey His graces and His messages?
All these things are not for God's benefit, but for ours.
"But when that which is perfect has come." The very fact that Jesus is the Word,and that we have the WORD today,gives us a Door of openness,that has been hidden from those of the old covenant for centuries.YET God in His mercy as recorded in Hebrews still met the needs of those old patriarchs and women who followed God without ever experiencing what we can have today.

The Bible in its full extent with both the OLD and NEW Covenants brings us to not only faith,but to practice and endeavor that INCLUDES God rather than to just obtain a religious belief system.

Believing in God and following a set of rules and regulations,doing certain things to our person in order to please God no longer applies to us as believers in Christ.His sacrifice or rather from HIS holy Incarnation thru to the Resurrection brings a way of life to us as believers and saints in Him,that is not possible in any other religious structure.

God did not want a totalitarian way of life with His Hebrews(Jews),He wanted to be their: God,King,only Love,Friend,Savior,Protector,G uide,Comforter,and so on.

Since the Jews had to come by this the hard way through Canon Law and whatever,they could not perceive that God could be anything but a delegator of law and commands.Only a few Prophets,and leaders of Jewish generations really knew the full heart of God.The People for the most part missed the mark,even when God showed tremendous ways of deliverance for them.

We are no different today.Unless we open our eyes to the New Covenant and allow Jesus to birth in us through the Holy Spirit that spiritual New Creation,we are in the dark as to what the will and heart of God is for us.We are quick to follow rules and regulations,and to do something physical to try to please God,and of course wearing things that might appeal to the Kingdom as well.

But in Christianity and through the written pages of the New Testament,we can have the reality of living as New Creatures in Christ Jesus.That does not require the use of images to kneel before and kiss,as God is in our hearts,He is real to us from within,we do not have to seek Him through that which we create with our hands,to represent Him.For the Kingdom of the Father is within us.
Just Sayin

Antioch, TN

#473347 Aug 27, 2013
Plain Jane wrote:
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So like the old Tribes of Israel, Catholics are now God's new chosen people.
I've never heard that before. Where can we find this new Catholic teaching?
You can start in the Bible.

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