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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#469045 Aug 6, 2013
The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ
by Fr. William G. Most

Speaking of full membership in the Church, Pius XII, in his Encyclical on the Mystical Body, said it is the society of those who have been baptized, and who profess the faith of Christ, and who are governed by their bishops under the visible head, the Pope, the Bishop of Rome.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH..
The Church came into being when Christ died on the

Cross, but it was formally inaugurated on

Pentecost, when He sent the Holy Spirit as He had

promised. St. Paul speaks of all Christians as

members of Christ, so that with Him, they form one

Mystical Body (Cf. 1 Cor 12:12-31; Col 1:18;

2:18-20; Eph. 1:22-23; 3:19; 4:13). St. Paul did not use the word Mystical. It was developed more recently to bring out the fact that this union is unique, there is no parallel to it. It is not the same as the union of a physical body, nor that of a business corporation.

The Church, the Mystical Body, exists on this earth, and is called the Church militant, because its members struggle against the world, the flesh and the devil. The Church triumphant is the Church in heaven. The unity and cooperation of the members of the Church on earth, in Heaven is also called the Communion of Saints. When St. Paul uses the word "Saints" in opening an Epistle, he does not mean they are morally perfect. He has in mind Hebrew qadosh, which means set aside for God, or coming under the covenant. Being such means of course they are called to moral perfection. But of course, not all have reached it in this world.

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#469046 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You berated him, that I remember. I don't recall you showing me anything he said that approached the level heterodoxy that Hans Kung exhibits. He was by no means an "Orthodox Hans Kung", much as you'd like me to think.
You are a liar. I did not berate him. I countered with a quote from a Catholic theologian Yves Congar stating the East did not recognize Papal Supremacy. f you would like I will give you the post number and my post itself.Why lie? Thats what I can never understand.

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#469047 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So much for your theory that papal primacy was a development AFTER the schism. lol.
Go ahead, be done. Take your marbles and go home. I'll keep playing without you.
The Studite was preschism. What's so funny about me mentioning preschism. I thought it was funny how you thought someone could be declared a heretic for a West teaching when the churches were still united?????

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469048 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I WILL ASK AGAIN..
THE RULERS OF THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD WERE PROPHESIED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL...
BUT
THE PRINCE THAT JESUS WAS SPEAKING ABOUT (the one that would come)IS NOT LISTED THERE...
After Jesus defeated satan at Calvary ...SATAN is no longer the prince of this world...
Who is it that has stepped up to take satan's place as PRINCE OF THIS WORLD ...
(UNIVERSAL PRINCE) HEAD OF THE UNIVERSAL (CATHOLIC [SO CALLED]
THAT HAS TURNED HIS DECEIVED ADHERENCE AGAINST THE INSPIRED (GOD BREATHED) WORD...
AND PROCLAIMED THAT HIS WORD TAKES PREEMINENCE OF GOD'S WORD?
AND CREATED HIS OWN CONJECTURE FABLES AND LIES TO REPLACE IT
WHO IS CURRENTLY CLAIMING TO BE THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD..
WHO IS IT ATTEMPTING TO RULE CHRISTENDOM?
DOES HE NO SIT ON HIS UNIVERSAL (CATHOLIC)THRONE IN ROME ITALY.
IS HE NOT THE ONE JESUS SAID WOULD COME...
WHO IS IT THAT IS CLAIMING TO BE THE RULER OF GOD'S CHURCH UPON EARTH..
WHO IS IT THE RULERS OF NATIONS BOW TO WHO IS IT (THE GENTILE )THAT IS
ASPIRING TO BE THE CUSTODIAN OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT ?
SOME ONE HERE WILL CALL ME CRAZY..
I AM WHOM GOD SAY I AM.
PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU CAN?
YOU WOULD SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN NEAR 2000 YEARS SINCE JESUS SPOKE OF THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD COMING,( AND HAVING NOTHING IN HIM)..

TIME IS NOT OF ESSENCE IN GOD'S ECONOMY...

2000 YEARS IS JUST MOMENTS TO GOD.... FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF.

2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

ALL THIS HAS COME INTO MOTION WHEN JESUS THE STAR OF TH DRAMA...

HAS BEEN SET ASIDE...AND

THE SUPPORTING ACTORS AND PROPS OF THE STAGE IN THEWHOLE DRAMA ARE BEING WORSHIPED.

IT SUPPOSED TO BE ALL ABOUT JESUS..

1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

1Co 1:29 ==> That no flesh should glory in his presence. <==

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written,

He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Simple

United States

#469049 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Pro_14:18 The simple inherit folly: but the prudent are crowned with knowledge.
Try this for yourself then.

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.
Simple

United States

#469050 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU WOULD SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN NEAR 2000 YEARS SINCE JESUS SPOKE OF THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD COMING,( AND HAVING NOTHING IN HIM)..
TIME IS NOT OF ESSENCE IN GOD'S ECONOMY...
2000 YEARS IS JUST MOMENTS TO GOD.... FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF.
2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
ALL THIS HAS COME INTO MOTION WHEN JESUS THE STAR OF TH DRAMA...
HAS BEEN SET ASIDE...AND
THE SUPPORTING ACTORS AND PROPS OF THE STAGE IN THEWHOLE DRAMA ARE BEING WORSHIPED.
IT SUPPOSED TO BE ALL ABOUT JESUS..
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 ==> That no flesh should glory in his presence. <==
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
You prove it or it is false. I am waiting!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469051 Aug 6, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
In the bible aren't thrones here to be JESUS and the twenty four elders.
Peter being one ..isn't his throne still in heaven .
Or did I read it wrong ..
Apostles, 12
Sons,of Israel 12
Jesus on David's throne ..
IN THE MILLENNIUM JESUS WILL REIGN..

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:7 ==> Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,

upon the throne of David, and

upon his kingdom, to order it, and

to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

THE 12 APOSTLES WILL RULE THE 12 TRIBES OF Israel

Mat_19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT AWAY IN THE BRIDE WILL REIGN WITH JESUS AS KING AND PRIEST

Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469052 Aug 6, 2013
Simple wrote:
<quoted text>
You prove it or it is false. I am waiting!!
prove what?

I have presented truth...

you prove me wrong or it stand as it is...

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#469053 Aug 6, 2013
Hi HB - thanks for responding.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
You now profess a certain "reality", and life is not an illusion, but this directly conflicts with your writings. So it is hard to narrow and address my response.
How does this conflict with what I've posted or wrote?

Maybe....just maybe....you don't know me and my thoughts. If you are unclear about something, you'll have to ask clear questions.

This is where honesty comes in, huh?
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>Of the little that I know, it sounds like you are saying you are a product of the Age in which we live.(And we are all influenced by it of course.)


I am a product of which "we" live. I am a product of a man and a woman. Are we all?

(15) Jesus says:

"When you see one who was not born of woman,
fall on your face (and) worship him. That one is your Father."
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>I have as of late been hearing a bit on the subject, and you are ripe within the concept of consequentialism. You might consider further investigation on the subject.
I disagree.

con·se·quen·tial·ism [kon-si-kwen-shuh-liz-uhm]
noun
1. the theory that human actions derive their moral worth solely from their outcomes or consequences.
2. the theory that ethical decisions should be made on the basis of the expected outcome or consequences of the action.

++ My morals were learned - most were before they came into use by myself.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>What I question is that Gnosticism is contrary to orthodox Christianity.

Why do you question it? Hinduism is contrary to Christianity, do you question Hinduism? The same goes for every belief or spiritual belief. You are being silly.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>And your "questions" to unsuspecting Protestants, does not include this bit of information. So I ask myself, "Why?"
If they don't question it, why do I need to make the statements of it. Since I don't get questions, I figured that if someone doesn't know about something, that they had gone and did some research.

Also - the forum is not about Gnosticism. You are veering off course. Maybe it is time for you to re-read the forum and the article this forum was created for.

I'd rather talk with you, as long as you stay focused on the subject matter.
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>Two solutions: Either you know, or you don't know this information. And if you do know, then you are avoiding disclosure.....
You missed a 3rd and 4th option:
- the choice in that I get to choose what I post on a public for um
- and a 4th, the reason I have stated above:
'Since I don't get questions, I figured that if someone doesn't know about something, that they had gone and did some research.'
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>You just want some more to do the Hokey Pokey.(smiles)
Wrong again. The Hokey Pokey is a song played at weddings, parties, and even reunions. Like I've stated multiple times, you get to choose on what you are to believe. I'm just pointing out the facts of your belief that you have failed at. You get to choose on whether you are honest or not. I have no say in it.

Self.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#469054 Aug 6, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Self!
:)
:o)

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#469055 Aug 6, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
Lol!
But of course!
And yet Self is an Illusion!
I can never narrow it down for him....Its like describing what fog is to someone who has never left the fog....
Self is only an illusion, why you are not honest.

As I have proven multiple times on this forum and others, so-called "Christians" use the illusion of religion, in order to be dishonest.

You may deny it all day long HB - it is the truth.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#469056 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
I WILL ASK AGAIN..
THE RULERS OF THE NATIONS OF THIS WORLD WERE PROPHESIED IN THE BOOK OF DANIEL...
BUT
THE PRINCE THAT JESUS WAS SPEAKING ABOUT (the one that would come)IS NOT LISTED THERE...
After Jesus defeated satan at Calvary ...SATAN is no longer the prince of this world...
Who is it that has stepped up to take satan's place as PRINCE OF THIS WORLD ...
(UNIVERSAL PRINCE) HEAD OF THE UNIVERSAL (CATHOLIC [SO CALLED]
THAT HAS TURNED HIS DECEIVED ADHERENCE AGAINST THE INSPIRED (GOD BREATHED) WORD...
AND PROCLAIMED THAT HIS WORD TAKES PREEMINENCE OF GOD'S WORD?
AND CREATED HIS OWN CONJECTURE FABLES AND LIES TO REPLACE IT
WHO IS CURRENTLY CLAIMING TO BE THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD..
WHO IS IT ATTEMPTING TO RULE CHRISTENDOM?
DOES HE NO SIT ON HIS UNIVERSAL (CATHOLIC)THRONE IN ROME ITALY.
IS HE NOT THE ONE JESUS SAID WOULD COME...
WHO IS IT THAT IS CLAIMING TO BE THE RULER OF GOD'S CHURCH UPON EARTH..
WHO IS IT THE RULERS OF NATIONS BOW TO WHO IS IT (THE GENTILE )THAT IS
ASPIRING TO BE THE CUSTODIAN OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT ?
SOME ONE HERE WILL CALL ME CRAZY..
I AM WHOM GOD SAY I AM.
PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU CAN?
" and I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

"Jesus said to him, Feed my sheep"
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#469057 Aug 6, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>You are a liar. I did not berate him. I countered with a quote from a Catholic theologian Yves Congar stating the East did not recognize Papal Supremacy. f you would like I will give you the post number and my post itself.Why lie? Thats what I can never understand.
Berated may have been too strong a word, I recall you felt he was unorthodox in his opinions. Please do get the post number, I'd like to see again what you think of him.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#469058 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
St. Theodore the Studite of Constantinople (759-826)
Pre-schism.
I already posted on this. Ketchup
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#469059 Aug 6, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>The Studite was preschism. What's so funny about me mentioning preschism. I thought it was funny how you thought someone could be declared a heretic for a West teaching when the churches were still united?????
If he spoke that way and wasn't a heretic pre-schism, why would those who spoke this way post-schism be considered heretics by you easterners?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#469060 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
" and I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
"Jesus said to him, Feed my sheep"
jesus gave the same authority to all His desciples

Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Joh 20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


Joh 20:23 ==>Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. <==

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#469061 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
So much for your theory that papal primacy was a development AFTER the schism. lol.
Go ahead, be done. Take your marbles and go home. I'll keep playing without you.
So one dude thinks the Pope is supreme so this means Papal Primacy was in development. I think the Pope is Jewish . Does this mean the Pope Jewishness Thinking is " in development"?
In development means there may more than 1 or 12.The question is 1 how many 2 in the East? 3 that were Orthodox?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#469062 Aug 6, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU WOULD SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN NEAR 2000 YEARS SINCE JESUS SPOKE OF THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD COMING,( AND HAVING NOTHING IN HIM)..
TIME IS NOT OF ESSENCE IN GOD'S ECONOMY...
2000 YEARS IS JUST MOMENTS TO GOD.... FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOUR SELF.
2Pe_3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
ALL THIS HAS COME INTO MOTION WHEN JESUS THE STAR OF TH DRAMA...
HAS BEEN SET ASIDE...AND
THE SUPPORTING ACTORS AND PROPS OF THE STAGE IN THEWHOLE DRAMA ARE BEING WORSHIPED.
IT SUPPOSED TO BE ALL ABOUT JESUS..
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 ==> That no flesh should glory in his presence. <==
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
You certainly can't be referring to the Catholic Church because only worship of God in the Blessed Trinity is permitted.

Maybe you're referring to self anointed preachers who think they've been called and speak for God while they worship their paper and ink bibles?

Since: Jun 10

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#469063 Aug 6, 2013
StarC wrote:
The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ
by Fr. William G. Most
Speaking of full membership in the Church, Pius XII, in his Encyclical on the Mystical Body, said it is the society of those who have been baptized, and who profess the faith of Christ, and who are governed by their bishops under the visible head, the Pope, the Bishop of Rome.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH..
The Church came into being when Christ died on the
Cross, but it was formally inaugurated on
Pentecost, when He sent the Holy Spirit as He had
promised. St. Paul speaks of all Christians as
members of Christ, so that with Him, they form one
Mystical Body (Cf. 1 Cor 12:12-31; Col 1:18;
2:18-20; Eph. 1:22-23; 3:19; 4:13). St. Paul did not use the word Mystical. It was developed more recently to bring out the fact that this union is unique, there is no parallel to it. It is not the same as the union of a physical body, nor that of a business corporation.
The Church, the Mystical Body, exists on this earth, and is called the Church militant, because its members struggle against the world, the flesh and the devil. The Church triumphant is the Church in heaven. The unity and cooperation of the members of the Church on earth, in Heaven is also called the Communion of Saints. When St. Paul uses the word "Saints" in opening an Epistle, he does not mean they are morally perfect. He has in mind Hebrew qadosh, which means set aside for God, or coming under the covenant. Being such means of course they are called to moral perfection. But of course, not all have reached it in this world.
http://www.ewtn.com
"The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ
by Fr. William G. Most"

There is as much support for the following as there is for this trash by Most....

Pigs do fly......
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#469064 Aug 6, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
" and I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
"Jesus said to him, Feed my sheep"
For all the railing by both Greek and Russian Orthodox patriarchs against

"Vaticanism" and "a single organizational structure" marking the visible

Unity of the Church, there remains the verdict made in 1967 by Fr. Robert

A. Taft, S.J., the leading scholar on the majestic Byzantine Greek Liturgy

of St. John Chrysostom used in all the Greco-Slav Orthodox Churches:

"There is ‘de facto’ no Magisterium in Orthodoxy today... A lamentable

anarchy pervades the organization and theology of modern Orthodoxy."

(Diaconia, vol 2, no. 3)

Theodore Abu Qurrah, a Syrian Catholic bishop (died c. 820 A.D.), one of the first Christian theologians to write in Arabic as well as in Greek, and who deserves to be better known to Catholic apologists.

"You should understand that the head of the Apostles was St. Peter, to whom Christ said,‘You are the rock; and on this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it.’ After his resurrection, he also said to him three times, while on the shore of the sea of Tiberius,‘Simon, do you love me? Feed my lambs, rams and ewes.’ In another passage, he said to him,‘Simon, Satan will ask to sift you like wheat, and I prayed that you not lose your faith; but you, at that time, have compassion on your brethren and strengthen them.’ Do you not see that St. Peter is the foundation of the church, selected to shepherd it, that those who believe in his faith will never lose their faith, and that he was ordered to have compassion on his brethren and to strengthen them? As for Christ’s words,‘I have prayed for you, that you not lose your faith; but you, have compassion on your brethren, at that time, and strengthen them’, we do not think that he meant St. Peter himself. Rather, he meant nothing more than the holders of the seat of St. Peter, that is, Rome. Just as when he said to the apostles,‘I am with you always, until the end of the age’, he did not mean just the apostles themselves, but also those who would be in charge of their seats and their flocks; in the same way, when he spoke his last words to St. Peter,‘Have compassion, at that time, and strengthen your brethren; and your faith will not be lost’, he meant by this nothing other than the holders of his seat.

Yet another indication of this is the fact that among the apostles it was St. Peter alone who lost his faith and denied Christ, which Christ may have allowed to happen to Peter so as to teach us that it was not Peter that he meant by these words. Moreover, we know of no apostle who fell and needed St. Peter to strengthen him. If someone says that Christ meant by these words only St. Peter himself, this person causes the church to lack someone to strengthen it after the death of St. Peter. How could this happen, especially when we see all the sifting of the church that came from Satan after the apostles’ death? All of this indicates that Christ did not mean them by these words. Indeed, everyone knows that the heretics attacked the church only after the death of the apostles – Paul of Samosata, Arius, Macedonius, Eunomius, Sabelllius, Apollinaris, Origen, and others. If he meant by these words in the gospel only St. Peter, the church would have been deprived of comfort and would have had no one to deliver her from those heretics, whose heresies are truly ‘the gates of hell’, which Christ said would not overcome the church. Accordingly, there is no doubt that he meant by these words nothing other than the holders of the seat of St. Peter, who have continually strengthened their brethren and will not cease to do so as long as this present age lasts." (pp. 68-69)

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