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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 701335 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#466365 Jul 27, 2013
Free Grace 7 wrote:
He, then, who before was silent, to teach us that we ought not to repeat the words of the impious, this one, I say, when he heard,‘But who do you say I am,’ immediately, not unmindful of his station, exercised his primacy, that is, the primacy OF CONFESSION, not of honor; the primacy OF BELIEF, NOT OF RANK. This, then, is Peter, who has replied for the rest of the Apostles; rather, before the rest of men. And so he is called the foundation, because he knows how to preserve not only his own but the common foundation...Faith, then, is the foundation of the Church, for it was not said of Peter’s flesh, BUT OF his faith, that ‘the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.’ But his confession OF FAITH conquered hell. And this confession did not shut out one heresy, for, since the Church like a good ship is often buffeted by many waves, the foundation of the Church should prevail against all heresies
(The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1963), Saint Ambrose, Theological and Dogmatic Works, The Sacrament of the Incarnation of Our Lord IV.32-V.34, pp. 230-231).
Man, you're a propaganda machine today. Could you reveal your sources so we can verify who's saying this stuff? Your sources do not say who actually wrote the piece. Only where they claim to have gotten the info.

I say this because, often on these radial sites, they'll quote something a Catholic wrote 200yrs ago, out of context to try and imply its official Church teaching.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#466366 Jul 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz:
Don't get upset....
At any moment in time, each of us may believe the scriptures are informing us differently than in the past, or future. It is merely our understanding that changes.
Keep in mind that all scripture tends to point to Jesus. And those that teach scripture should have this in mind....
All scripture is seen as literal, figurative, and spiritual.
Most "interpreting" which goes on, like on this thread, is merely emphasizing one of these three ways one views the scripture at any one time....
(Sometimes people try to put what they understand of this world into scripture.)
SO its ok for Catholics to interpret even Jesus word ..how they feel like it .

But the can say we are wrong in our interpretation .

I thought that is what the Pope is for and all the VATIcan Counsel on Faith ..to say what REAL TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE is .

What do you know TRUTH IS CHANGEABLE ..just like scientific theories are ..

Who knew???

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#466367 Jul 27, 2013
Free Grace 7 wrote:
Catholics "disagreements" on "inerrancy":
http://www.religioustolerance.org/inerran1.ht...
Lol and they call us confused ..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#466368 Jul 27, 2013
TODAY IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY FOR MY WIFE AND I
WE HAVE NOW BEEN MARRIED 61 YEARS..
GOD HAS WATCHED OVER US AND AND OUR FAMILY
HE HAS BEEN FAITHFUL ...AND FOREVER WILL BE.

“Unadulterated Grace - Rom 11:6”

Since: Jul 13

Chicagoland

#466369 Jul 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, you're a propaganda machine today. Could you reveal your sources so we can verify who's saying this stuff? Your sources do not say who actually wrote the piece. Only where they claim to have gotten the info.
I say this because, often on these radial sites, they'll quote something a Catholic wrote 200yrs ago, out of context to try and imply its official Church teaching.
Try google, this quote is all over the Net, and, I reference of the quote is given. Ambrose said it.
truth

Thornlie, Australia

#466370 Jul 27, 2013
wrong
Jesus say ..why you abusing resting prophets how many you killed of them..

i say to you
Asked yourself
Did Jesus been on Cross?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466371 Jul 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe what the bible says ..yes.
You interpret your own meanings of the words back to your self and then claim that is what the bible (god) says.

From my perception, it's simply you dictating messages to the cells in your own brain and the cells are recording them as instructed.

“Unadulterated Grace - Rom 11:6”

Since: Jul 13

Chicagoland

#466372 Jul 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol and they call us confused ..
:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466373 Jul 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol and they call us confused ..
You don't perceive that you even COULD be confused. Your certainty of being right is blocking your view.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#466374 Jul 27, 2013
Free Grace 7 wrote:
James(not Peter) was given Chief rule at Jerusalem Council(Acts 15)
This (James) was bishop, as they say, and therefore he speaks last..There was no arrogance in the Church. After Peter Paul speaks, and none silences him: James waits patiently; not starts up (for the next word). No word speaks John here, no word the other Apostles, but held their peace, for James was invested with the chief rule, and think it no hardship. So clean was their soul from love of glory. Peter indeed spoke more strongly, but James here more mildly: for thus it behooves one in high authority, to leave what is unpleasant for others to say, while he himself appears in the milder part
(Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume XI, Saint Chrysostom, Homilies on the Acts of the Apostles, Homily 33, pp. 205, 207).
No throne. No crown/tiara..no ring to kiss ..

How did they ever spread GODS word .
truth

Thornlie, Australia

#466375 Jul 27, 2013
everything will past my words not..Jesus Christ

light
they liked died but can't
better not to be born

“Unadulterated Grace - Rom 11:6”

Since: Jul 13

Chicagoland

#466376 Jul 27, 2013
Robert Eno gives the following explanation:

There is no question then that Ambrose honored the Roman see, but there are other texts which seem to establish a certain distance and independence as well. He commented, for example, that Peter’s primacy was a primacy of confession, not of honor; a primacy of faith, not rank...Finally, one further text should be mentioned in connection with Ambrose since it is a text which like Roma locuta est has become something of a shibboleth or slogan. This is the brief phrase from his commentary on the fortieth Psalm: Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia (where Peter is, there is the Church)...As Roger Gryson has shown, in his study on Ambrose and the priesthood, the context of such a statement has nothing to do with any treatise on ecclesiology. It is but one statement in a long chain of allegorical exegesis starting with the line from Ps. 41:9:‘Even my bosom friend in whom I trusted...has lifted his heel against me.’ This is not to deny the fairly common association of Peter as the symbol of the Church, the figura ecclesiae we have seen in Augustine. But it says little that is new and nothing at all about papal authority (Robert Eno, The Rise of the Papacy (Wilmington: Michael Glazier, 1990), pp. 83-84).

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#466377 Jul 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
TODAY IS A VERY SPECIAL DAY FOR MY WIFE AND I
WE HAVE NOW BEEN MARRIED 61 YEARS..
GOD HAS WATCHED OVER US AND AND OUR FAMILY
HE HAS BEEN FAITHFUL ...AND FOREVER WILL BE.
Congratulations And God bless you both !!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466378 Jul 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope closer to six I think ..But I could be wrong ..
Archeologists estimate that modern humans have been on the Earth for about 200,000 years.

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/38125/how-long-h...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466379 Jul 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
How did they ever spread GODS word .
My guess is, religious gossip was spread by the first creators of religion. Since then it morphed into many shape-shifting changes by preachers full of their own interpretive stuffings, such as you.

You no doubt have conned your self into the idea that a god can't resist your sermons ... but others who also place high value on their own interpretations perceive that you are off in the ditch and will end up in hell for being a heretic.

It's all based on contradictory perceptions ... NOT absolute truth.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466380 Jul 27, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations And God bless you both !!!
What if "god" believes they are heretics? Do you reckon he'll get cranky at you for ordering him to bless evil sinners???

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466381 Jul 27, 2013
Free Grace 7 wrote:
Robert Eno gives the following explanation:
According to others who disagree ... Robert Eno will be labeled as a heretic who will burn in hell for eternity.

Isn't religion just a continual blast from an imaginary "furnace?"

“Unadulterated Grace - Rom 11:6”

Since: Jul 13

Chicagoland

#466382 Jul 27, 2013
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Willow River, Canada

#466383 Jul 27, 2013
If any one of these religious right-fighting addicts hit the bulls eye of truth ... they wouldn't have a clue which one it was ... but they would no doubt all believe that it was their "SELVES."

“Unadulterated Grace - Rom 11:6”

Since: Jul 13

Chicagoland

#466384 Jul 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Well for one thing, that all the more remarkable that the East and West share 95% of the same faith; 100% of the same sacraments.
The East was started by the Apostles.(Andrew went to Greece) so to me, that's proof in the validity of the Mass, the Eucharist, infant Baptism, Confession, the Priesthood, and Apostolic succession.
It also is ironic that we both have never taught OSAS and Sola Scripture. That's because the Apostles didn't teach it.
But fast forward 1500 yrs and Christianity took a different turn altogether. Now its done a complete U-turn on teachings that came directly from the mouths of the Apostles.
You guys changed Baptism, reversed the Eucharist, undid the Sacrament of Confession, undid the Priesthood, undid any kind of hierarchal Church, added Sola Scripture and Sola fide.
I see a chaotic mess with private interpretations and the whole theory that Jesus Christ commanded a canon of Scripture to be the sole authority on His Ministry.
I do not see why you're bringing up Orthodox and Catholic?
Clay, there were various thoughts on a "host" of topics concerning the early church.
Question: Would you say, that all the churches in the Bible, were "catholic"? Yes or no

Also, my post was derailed into other topics, however, my post was about early Christianity, concerning Rome Authority.

Free Grace 7 wrote:
<quoted text>Catholic Cardinal and theologian Yves Congar stated:
"The East never accepted the regular jurisdiction of Rome, nor did it submit to the judgment of Western bishops. Its appeals to Rome for help were not connected with a recognition of the principle of Roman jurisdiction but were based on the view that Rome had the same truth, the same good. The East jealously protected its autonomous way of life. Rome intervened to safeguard the observation of legal rules, to maintain the orthodoxy of faith and to ensure communion between the two parts of the church, the Roman see representing and personifying the West...In according Rome a ‘primacy of honour’, the East avoided basing this primacy on the succession and the still living presence of the apostle Peter. A modus vivendi was achieved which lasted, albeit with crises, down to the middle of the eleventh century."
Congar. Y.,(1982) Diversity and Communion (Mystic: Twenty–Third), pp. 26–27
Who is Yves Congar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Congar
You see, the "East" NEVER seen Rome as Rome sees herself, even from early on Christianity.

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