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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683544 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465668 Jul 24, 2013
Papal Persecutions - Waldensians (1147-1658)
Meet the Popes of this Era

Boniface VIII Adultery and homosexual activity
Clement V Loved prostitutes
Paul II Homosexual, who liked bondage and lust. Died of a heart attack while being sodomized
Alexander VI Incest, adultery, illegitimate children, Orgies in the papal palace

The Waldenses or Vaudois were French Protestants in the Piedmont Valley region of southern France and northern Italy. By the middle ages, the church was filled with darkness and superstition. Around the year 1000, some people, notably Berengarius, boldly preached the primitive gospel truths and separated themselves from the Roman church. He was succeeded by Peer Bruis who wrote a book called Antichrist.

By the year 1140, there was a large number in the reformed movement, and their popularity alarmed the pope, prompting him to gather scholars to write against their doctrines and to ask several princes to banish them from their dominions.

By 1147 Peter Waldo of Lyons became a popular preacher among the reformed and they came to be known as Waldensians. Pope Alexander III excommunicated Waldo and his followers and asked the Bishop of Lyons to exterminate them from the face of the earth. So the persecution of the Waldensians began. This was the first time that the system of the Inquisition was used. Any open or anonymous accusation was sufficient evidence of guilt. The Dominician Order was formed from a monk named Dominic who was tasked with debating the Waldensians out of their beliefs. The Dominicans had been principally responsible for being the inquisitors in all future inquisitions.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#465669 Jul 24, 2013
Christians credit there selves with being Jesus' disciples.

It's a blatant insult to imply that a Jew vouches for Christianity as being the one and only truth.

Each time they repeat their lies, the rut is dug just that much deeper.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465670 Jul 24, 2013
It is big business to sell indulgences, to announce jubilees or pilgrimages to Rome. Any works of penance that encourages giving money. A promise of indulgences to the general population was enough to make any civil leader obey the popes. The church has raised massive armies with their guaranteed promises of heaven and the wealth of the heretics in this life.

In the book called "Tax of the Sacred Roman Chancery", this is a list of the amount to be paid for a particular sin. These were established in 1316 by Pope John XXII. Leo X published it in 1514.

THE PRICES OF SINS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME

Sin *Price
Abortion $1.50
Murdering a layman $1.75
Perjury, forgery, lying $2.00
Murdering a family member $2.50
Burning a neighbor's house $2.75
Violence on a priest $2.75
Total absolution $12.00

*Prices in nineteenth century dollars
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465671 Jul 24, 2013
THE EUCHARIST AND THE SACRIFICE OF THE MASS

The mass started in 394 A.D. It is defined as an unbloody sacrifice of Christ. The bread and wine are the actual, literal (not symbolic) presence of God - therefore this bread must be worshiped as God.

There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that all the faithful ought to show to this most holy sacrament the worship which is due to the true God, as has always been the custom of the Catholic Church. Nor is it to be adored by any the less because it was instituted by Christ to be eaten (Vatican Council II, page 104).

If any one shall deny that the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore entire Christ, are truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; and shall say that He is only in it as a sign, or in a figure, or virtually -- let him be accursed (Canon 1, Council of Trent).


If any one shall say that the substance of the bread and wine remains in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, together with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and shall deny that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the outward forms of the bread and wine still remaining, which conversion the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation -- let him be accursed (Canon 2, Council of Trent).


If any man shall say that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, even with the open worship of latria, and therefore not to be venerated with any peculiar festal celebrity, nor to be solemnly carried about in processions according to the praiseworthy, and universal rites and customs of the holy Church, and that he is not to be publicly set before the people to be adored, and that his adorers are idolaters -- let him be accursed (Canon 6, Council of Trent).
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465672 Jul 24, 2013
THE ROSARY: The devotion to Mary centers around daily prayers recited with a rosary. The string of beads helps to keep track of the prayers and acts required.

THE PRAYERS: 5 decades of the rosary include 1 Creed, 2 Our Father, 153 Hail Marys, 16 Glory be to the Father,(or 1 Glory be and 15 Fatima Decade Prayers), and 1 Hail Holy Queen.

So there are 154 prayers said to Mary and 18 to God, but if you use the Fatima Decade prayers instead of the Glory be prayer then you have 2 prayers to God and 169 to Mary.

THE CRUCIFIX: While holding the crucifix make the Sign of the Cross and then recite the Apostles Creed.

THE FIRST 5 BEADS: Recite the Our Father on the first large bead. On each of the three small beads recite a Hail Mary for an increase of faith, hope and charity. Recite the Glory Be to the Father on the next large bead.


THE DECADE(one large and ten small): Recall the first Rosary mystery and recite the Our Father on the next large bead. For each of the fifteen Mysteries do the following as you reflect on the mystery: On each of the adjacent ten small beads (also referred to as a decade) recite a Hail Mary .
On the next large bead, recite the "Glory Be to the Father" or "The Fatima decade prayer" (added in 2000). When the fifth mystery is completed, the Rosary is Customarily concluded with the Hail, Holy Queen.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#465673 Jul 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="marge"
HELLO Clay?
Why do you think the NT was Written and written when it was?
1Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
>4That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
**********
Marge, Luke said that he made a special effort to put together the reports that were circulating about Jesus, and presented them to Theophilus, who must have been an important person. Luke was seeing to it that the gospel truth was presented.
Again, he did this when he wrote the book of Acts. He traveled with Paul on his missionary journeys, so we have a good record that was done in the time of Jesus and Paul.
Luke said that he himself had a perfect understanding of all these things from the beginning.
In NO WAY do I believe that some character wrote some hand-me-down stories years later.
KayMarie
agree, they were insprired by God right then and there for a reason, that people would know the Truth for certain.

Falsehoods were already circulating, imagine being there and the arguements, wow, just like now, and they still believe the oral. May God bless their hearts.
truth

Perth, Australia

#465674 Jul 24, 2013
Evil is evil
mind=when you decoded what is in mind of many people
then you will be honest with your story.

look even on peace of cloth structure of material are code and secret of mind patterns look colors and symbols..

with symbols and patterns which going from 'mind' of people can come out any secret for benificary as well
destruction ..
even peace of cloth have structure or secret code as well pattern..
truth

Perth, Australia

#465675 Jul 24, 2013
does meter you liked me or not
it is as it is..
I am not care what you think about me..evil is evil..mind..secrets code on any material or structure is some as destruction as well for good..
truth

Perth, Australia

#465676 Jul 24, 2013
lucifer looking creation of humans as well act as righteousness acuser as well killer..did he fall
yepppppppppppppp

evil is evil
truth

Perth, Australia

#465677 Jul 24, 2013
all things el liked as accuser sit in Jesus Christ chair as false judge as false corupt organization..evil is evil..melidakiller can ring my tel.agan..they know where are you..others have eye too upon you
truth

Perth, Australia

#465678 Jul 24, 2013
they have eye upon you melinda yeppppppppppppp
bummmmmmmmm

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465679 Jul 24, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
Does Oxbow believe justification is by "faith alone" or...."faith plus works"?
Does Oxbow believe justification happens at the moment of belief, or after this life, here on Earth?
Does Oxbow believe justification is by "faith plus works"?
From the top:

You said:What exactly would I need your help for? Do you believe eternal life starts at the moment of belief/trust in the Savior, or once you pass from this life here?

Mah reply: Because you cannot see the answer to the question you asked. Quote:Yes, belief, but belief for...?, in your own words!!!!! Quote: At the moment of belief....

But...if you have no interest in the truth...so be it...
truth

Perth, Australia

#465680 Jul 24, 2013
cloth my people
pronaucment c loth luthera lucy th=d
see lot=bible

bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxyz
botcot'dot'fotgot'hot'jotkotlo tmotnotpotqotrotsottotvotwotxo tyotzot
aeiou

do you liked free jumper we free you with clothing
see hot=weather pattern
see words of evil

evil organization your judges police political org=in within..

dear children evil can think on very nice way
its can speak or act on very nice way
but it is evil mind..
evilllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllll

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465681 Jul 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
I repeat...again:
I am not arguing that salvation is for demons....I am not arguing they are believing on Jesus for salvation...
OSAS said regards when does salvation happen: At the moment of belief....
Mt 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Scripture shows these demons had belief...does it not?????
**********
It is not the same thing. The demons KNOW that God is, and tremble because they have already been judged. They are not believing for salvation. Legion already knew their judgment, and knew that it was for the future.
Man has not been judged as yet. There is hope for him if he will repent and believe.
James is showing how important it is that we get serious with God.
KayMarie
I will respond to your post as you have done to several of mine...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#465682 Jul 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I never believed Jesus was a savior. When I was in religion I just believed he was another teacher as were other religious teachers in other religions.
Yes, I did leave religion behind. It was and is nothing but fuel for right-fighters to make fools of their selves.
You were/are correct.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465683 Jul 24, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said tamiym was Greek. I said it was Hebrew. Note the strong number beginning with H.
Thank you Oxbow. Have a wonderful evening. Praise the Lord.
I am confused...why would you use the definition of a Hebrew word to Scripture in the NT that was translated from the Kione Greek!!!!????

Is that not the same as most Catholics do?? They look in the English dictionary for the definition of Greek words!!!!???

How you figga???

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465684 Jul 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
People HEARD the Word of God, passed down orally by the Church.
Don't you think God would protect His word? Or do you think God would rather have you, Confrint, Preston and Oldg come to your own conclusions on His will, by deciphering Bible verses?
Get real, Ox.
Sacred tradition says the Apostles explained the faith already and God protects the Church from error on these important teachings.. How else are we supposed to know the truth?? There could be no other way if God is God. He had to entrust somebody with communicating the truth.
I know you guys pretend the Holy Spiri guides you all to Biblical truth.
One evening of observing this forum will reveal what a joke that theory is.
You are not elucidating....

Is the written Word of God the Scripture I see in black and white in the Bible?? Yes or no..

Is "the oral Word of God" people speaking His Word...Yes or no...

Is "oral traditions"...teachings that are spoken only...not written...yes or no..

What you are saying contradicts this teaching:
The word tradition (Greek paradosis) in the ecclesiastical sense, which is the only one in which it is used here, refers sometimes to the thing (doctrine, account, or custom) transmitted from one generation to another; sometimes to the organ or mode of the transmission (kerigma ekklisiastikon, predicatio ecclesiastica).

At first there was question only of traditions claiming a Divine origin, but subsequently there arose questions of oral as distinct from written tradition, in the sense that a given doctrine or institution is not directly dependent on Holy Scripture as its source but only on the oral teaching of Christ or the Apostles.

Why is that????

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465685 Jul 24, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
<quoted text>Rcc and Greek Orthodox claim to be "The Church", guided By the Holy Spirit, yet the two of you dont agree, not even the OT Canon!
That is caused by the fact that both are denominations....Christ built no denominations....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465686 Jul 25, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
John 3:36. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see
life ...."
John 5:24. "He that heareth my word, and.believeth on him that sent me, bath everlasting life ...."
John 6:54. "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life ...."
1 John 5:11. "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."
"hath"
You said salvation happens "At the moment of belief".

To support that statement you quoted: Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Tell me that this verse says not that the devils also believed...

Then there is the verse I quoted on demons believing: Mt 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Tell me these demons did not only believed, but that they knew that Jesus is the Son of God...

Tell me that these demons did not "fill the bill" regards salvation happening, as you said, "at the moment of belief...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465687 Jul 25, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
<quoted text>You don't like answering questions. Nuff said
You said salvation happens "At the moment of belief".

To support that statement you quoted: Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Tell me that this verse says not that the devils also believed...

Then there is the verse I quoted on demons believing: Mt 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Tell me these demons did not only believed, but that they knew that Jesus is the Son of God...

Tell me that these demons did not "fill the bill" regards salvation happening, as you said, "at the moment of belief...

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