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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 591431 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#465270 Jul 23, 2013

“In his opposition to accepting the Florentine canon and the equalization of traditions with Holy Scripture, Seripando did not stand alone. In the particular congregation of March 23, the learned Dominican Bishop Bertano of Fano had alreadyexpressed the view that Holy Scripture possessed greater authority than the traditions because the Scriptures were unchangeable; that only offenders against the biblical canon should come under the anathema, not those who deny the principle of tradition; that it would be unfortunate if the Council limited itself to the apostolic canons, because the Protestants would say that the abrogation of some of these traditions was arbitrary and represented an abuse… Another determined opponent of putting traditions on a par with Holy Scripture, as well as the anathema, was the Dominican Nacchianti. The Servite general defended the view that all the evangelical truths were contained in the Bible, and he subscribed to the CANON OF ST. JEROME, as did also Madruzzo and Fonseca on April 1. While Seripando abandoned his view as a lost cause, Madruzzo, the Carmelite general, and the Bishop of Agde stood for the LIMITED CANON, and the bishops of Castellamare and Caorle urged the related motion to place the books of Judith, Baruch, and Machabees IN THE "canon ecclesiae." From all this it is evident that Seripando was by no means alone in his views. In his battle FOR THE CANON OF ST. JEROME and against the anathema and the parity of traditions with Holy Scripture, he was aligned with the leaders of a minority that was outstanding for its theological scholarship.”
Source: Hubert Jedin, Papal Legate At The Council Of Trent (St Louis: B. Herder Book Co., 1947), pp. 281-282.

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#465271 Jul 23, 2013
"Here we close our commentaries on the historical books of the Old Testament. For the rest (that is, Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees) are counted by St Jerome out of the canonical books, and are placed amongst the Apocrypha, along with Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus, as is plain from the Prologus Galeatus. Nor be thou disturbed, like a raw scholar, if thou shouldest find anywhere, either in the sacred councils or the sacred doctors, these books reckoned as canonical. For the words as well of councils as of doctors are to be reduced to the correction of Jerome. Now, according to his judgment, in the epistle to the bishops Chromatius and Heliodorus, these books (and any other like books in the canon of the bible) are not canonical, that is, not in the nature of a rule for confirming matters of faith. Yet, they may be called canonical, that is, in the nature of a rule for the edification of the faithful, as being received and authorised in the canon of the bible for that purpose. By the help of this distinction thou mayest see thy way clearly through that which Augustine says, and what is written in the provincial council of Carthage."

(In ult. Cap. Esther. Taken from A Disputation on Holy Scripture by William Whitaker (Cambridge: University, 1849), p. 48. See also Cosin's A Scholastic History of the Canon, Volume III, Chapter XVII, pp. 257-258 and B.F. Westcott's A General Survey of the Canon of the New Testament, p. 475.)


Gregory the Great -
"With reference to which particular we are not acting irregularly, if from the books, though not Canonical, yet brought out for the edification of the Church, we bring forward testimony. Thus Eleazar in the battle smote and brought down an elephant, but fell under the very beast that he killed" (1 Macc. 6.46).
(Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church,(Oxford: Parker, 1845), Gregory the Great, Morals on the Book of Job, Volume II, Parts III and IV, Book XIX.34, p.424.)

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#465273 Jul 23, 2013
I will only list the numerous names of those who denied the canonicity of most (if not all) of the apocrypha (i.e. they denied the Roman Catholic canon) throughout the centuries:

Jews Prior to Jamnia
The Talmud
Philo of Alexandria
Jesus ben Sirah
The Essenes
Josephus

Church Fathers
Melito of Sardis
Julius Africanus
Origen
Hilary of Poitiers
Cyril of Jerusalem
Athanasius
Epiphanius
Gregory Nazianzus
Amphilochius
Basil the Great
Rufinus
Jerome
Anastasius of Antioch
Primasius
Nicolas of Lyra
Pope Gregory the Great
John of Damascus

Medieval Writers
Glossa Ordinaria
Cardinal Cajetan
The Venerable Bede
Agobard of Lyons
Alcuin
Walafrid Strabo
Haymo of Halberstadt
Ambrose of Autpert
Radulphus Flavicencius
Hugh of St. Victor
Richard of St. Victor
John of Salisbury
Peter Cellensis
Rupert of Deutz
Honorius of Autun
Peter Comestor
Peter Mauritius
Adam Scotus
Hugh of St. Cher
Philip of Harvengt
Nicholas of Lyra
William of Ockham
Antoninus
Alonso Tostado
Dionysius the Carthusian
Thomas Walden
Jean Driedo
John Ferus
Jacobus Faber Stapulensis
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#465274 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
Look in your Bible...

1 Thessalonians 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And...
1 Corinthians 15:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Plain enough for you?
Simple

United States

#465275 Jul 23, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Support your belief from Scripture...tell me the following does not teach that Jesus is not God...
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Do you understand the spirit world? Do you know the rules there or even if the law of physics as we know them exist? You can not know the spirit world or the properties of it or even prove its existence. How am I to believe that you know that Jesus could not be the son and the father. These verses you reason with are reasoned in the physical word which is the highest level you can reach. We do not know that you are even close to being in command of this level.

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#465276 Jul 23, 2013
Most of the early fathers stated that Mary was not sinless. J.N.D. Kelly notes:

“Tertullian, however, repudiated the suggestion, finding the opening of her womb prophesied in Exodus 13, 2, and Origen followed him and argued that she had needed the purification prescribed by the Law…Irenaeus and Tertullian recalled occasions on which, as they read the gospel stories, she had earned her Son’s rebuke, and Origen insisted that, like all human beings, she needed redemption from her sins; in particular, he interpreted Simeon’s prophecy (Luke 2, 35) that a sword would pierce her soul as confirming that she had been invaded with doubts when she saw her Son crucified…On the other hand, almost all Eastern theologians, so far from acknowledging her spiritual and moral perfection, followed Origen in finding her guilty of human frailties…Only in Syria, where Marian devotion was particularly fervid, do we find Ephraem delineating her as free from every stain, like her Son…But he [Hilary] still regarded the birth as a natural one; he also took it for granted that Mary would have to face God’s judgment for her sins…On the other hand, he [Augustine] did not hold (as has sometimes been alleged) that she was born exempt from all taint of original sin (the later doctrine of the immaculate conception)…After Ephesus, admittedly, her divine maternity and perpetual virginity seem to have been accepted without question in East and West; but the old doubts about her sinlessness and moral perfection continued to be widely held.”
–J.N.D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, rev. ed.(Peabody, MA: Prince Press, reprinted 2003), p.493, 495-498.

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#465277 Jul 23, 2013
From the 2009 Convention of Orthodox Clergy and Monks

2. We proclaim that Papism is the womb of heresies and fallacies. The teaching of the “Filioque”– that is, the procession of the Holy Spirit AND from the Son – is contrary to everything that Christ Himself taught about the Holy Spirit.

The entire chorus of Fathers, both in Synods and individually, regard Papism as a heresy because apart from the Filioque, it produced a host of other fallacies, such as the primacy and the infallibility of the Pope, the unleavened bread (host), the fires of Purgatory, the immaculate conception of the Theotokos, created Grace, the purchasing of absolution (indulgences)… it has altered nearly all of the teaching and the practice pertaining to Baptism, Chrismation, the Divine Eucharist and the other Sacraments, and has converted the Church to a secular State

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#465278 Jul 23, 2013
Clement of Alexandria

“Now, O you, my children, our Instructor is like His Father God, whose son He is, sinless, blameless, and with a soul devoid of passion; God in the form of man, stainless, the minister of His Father’s will, the Word who is God, who is in the Father, who is at the Father’s right hand, and with the form of God is God. He is to us a spotless image; to Him we are to try with all our might to assimilate our souls. He is wholly free from human passions; wherefore also He alone is judge, because He alone is sinless. As far, however, as we can, let us try to sin as little as possible. For nothing is so urgent in the first place as deliverance from passions and disorders, and then the checking of our liability to fall into sins that have become habitual. It is best, therefore, not to sin at all in any way, which we assert to be the prerogative of God alone.”
-Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor 1.2
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-52....

Origen

“For in the connected series of statements which appears to apply as to one particular individual, the curse pronounced upon Adam is regarded as common to all (the members of the race), and what was spoken with reference to the woman is spoken of every woman without exception.”
-Origen, Against Celsus 4.40
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-04/anf04-58....

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#465279 Jul 23, 2013
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Pt. I-II, Q. 81, A. 5: “…On the contrary, The Apostle says (Rom. 5:12): By one man sin entered into this world. Now if the woman would have transmitted original sin to her children, he should have said that it entered by two, since both of them sinned, or rather that it entered by a woman, since she sinned first… I answer that, therefore original sin, is contracted, not from the mother, but from the father: so that, accordingly, if Eve, and not Adam, had sinned, their children would not contract original sin: whereas, if Adam, and not Eve, had sinned, they would contract it.”
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465280 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
Osas7 wrote:
<quoted text>At the moment of belief. Jn 5:24 "has"/hath is a present tense possession.
Amen brother. Amen! If a believer receives eternal life at the moment of belief how can they ever lose it? Answer. They cannot. Praise the Lord.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465281 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Look in your Bible...
1 Thessalonians 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
And...
1 Corinthians 15:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Plain enough for you?
Thank you for your answer but the question was directed to Roman Catholics and other non OSAS persons.
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Perth, Australia

#465282 Jul 23, 2013
you liked be bigger then god not me..
yeeeeeep

now

'church is institution'
why
no
you liked speak with god
so what

Please tell me!
Whats deference between nice institution and Jesus Christ words?
'if you done to someone of mine little one, you done to me'..Jesus Christ words is perfect.

we know who done..

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Chicagoland

#465283 Jul 23, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Look in your Bible...
1 Thessalonians 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
And...
1 Corinthians 15:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Plain enough for you?
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
“Flesh and blood” refers to the mortal body, so our present bodies in their current condition cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Our present physical organism cannot go to heaven. The idea of “inherit” is to take possession of.

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Chicagoland

#465284 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
<quoted text>
Amen brother. Amen! If a believer receives eternal life at the moment of belief how can they ever lose it? Answer. They cannot. Praise the Lord.
PTL (Praise the Lord)!

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#465285 Jul 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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No there wasn't. There was the Catholic Church at Rome. St. Paul mentions us in his letter to us. Thanks for asking though.
And thanks so much for not screaming in capital letters.
That is not what your pope approved Bible says:

NABre: Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

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#465287 Jul 23, 2013
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#465288 Jul 23, 2013
Hey Protestants your brother Herme is posting in support of this site as well. Here you are. Clerics and Monks real Orthodox according to Herme. What a Phony. Decree

3. The same things apply to an even greater degree to Protestantism, which as the offspring of Papism

has inherited many heresies, but has also added many more. It has rejected Tradition, accepting only

Holy Scripture (Sola Scriptura), which it misinterprets; it has abolished the Priesthood as a unique

Mystery (Sacrament), as well as the veneration of the Saints and of the holy Icons; it has failed to

honor, or even, in some cases, slighted the person of the Most Holy Theotokos (Mother of God); it has

discarded monasticism; among the Holy Mysteries, it accepts only Baptism and the Divine Eucharist,

which are understood in a way that deviates sharply from the teaching and the practice of the Church;

it teaches such things as absolute predestination (Calvinism) and justification through faith alone.

Furthermore, its more "progressive" sector has introduced Priesthood for women and marriage

between homosexuals - whom they even accept into the ranks of the clergy. But above all, it lacks a

proper ecclesiology, because the Orthodox understanding of the nature of the Church does not exist

among them.16

4. The only way that our communion with heretics can be restored is if they renounce their delusion

(plani) and repent, so that there may be a true union and peace: a union with the Truth, and not with

delusion and heresy. For the incorporation of heretics into the Church, canonical precision (akriveia)

requires that they be accepted through Baptism.17 Their previous “baptism,” performed outside the

Church (without the triple immersion and emersion of the one being baptized in water sanctified by a

particular prayer) is in no way a baptism.18 All attempts at baptism outside the Church lack the Grace

of the Holy Spirit (Who does not remain within schisms and heresies) and as such, we have nothing in

common that unites us, as Basil the Great points out:“those who had apostatized from the Church had

no longer on them the Grace of the Holy Spirit, for it ceased to be imparted when the continuity was

broken…they who were broken off had become laymen, and, because they are no longer able to confer

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#465289 Jul 23, 2013
If I were you catholics I would look into your own churches problems instead of trying to connect us with you all!

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Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON to Save us

#465290 Jul 23, 2013
guest wrote:
A portion of the jesuit vow says this.....
I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race.
The one true church? I don't think so.
Isn't the new POPE Jesuit

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