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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658412 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Since: Jan 09

Chicagoland

#465278 Jul 23, 2013
Clement of Alexandria

“Now, O you, my children, our Instructor is like His Father God, whose son He is, sinless, blameless, and with a soul devoid of passion; God in the form of man, stainless, the minister of His Father’s will, the Word who is God, who is in the Father, who is at the Father’s right hand, and with the form of God is God. He is to us a spotless image; to Him we are to try with all our might to assimilate our souls. He is wholly free from human passions; wherefore also He alone is judge, because He alone is sinless. As far, however, as we can, let us try to sin as little as possible. For nothing is so urgent in the first place as deliverance from passions and disorders, and then the checking of our liability to fall into sins that have become habitual. It is best, therefore, not to sin at all in any way, which we assert to be the prerogative of God alone.”
-Clement of Alexandria, The Instructor 1.2
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-02/anf02-52....

Origen

“For in the connected series of statements which appears to apply as to one particular individual, the curse pronounced upon Adam is regarded as common to all (the members of the race), and what was spoken with reference to the woman is spoken of every woman without exception.”
-Origen, Against Celsus 4.40
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-04/anf04-58....

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Since: Jan 09

Chicagoland

#465279 Jul 23, 2013
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Pt. I-II, Q. 81, A. 5: “…On the contrary, The Apostle says (Rom. 5:12): By one man sin entered into this world. Now if the woman would have transmitted original sin to her children, he should have said that it entered by two, since both of them sinned, or rather that it entered by a woman, since she sinned first… I answer that, therefore original sin, is contracted, not from the mother, but from the father: so that, accordingly, if Eve, and not Adam, had sinned, their children would not contract original sin: whereas, if Adam, and not Eve, had sinned, they would contract it.”
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465280 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
Osas7 wrote:
<quoted text>At the moment of belief. Jn 5:24 "has"/hath is a present tense possession.
Amen brother. Amen! If a believer receives eternal life at the moment of belief how can they ever lose it? Answer. They cannot. Praise the Lord.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#465281 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Look in your Bible...
1 Thessalonians 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
And...
1 Corinthians 15:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Plain enough for you?
Thank you for your answer but the question was directed to Roman Catholics and other non OSAS persons.
truth

Applecross, Australia

#465282 Jul 23, 2013
you liked be bigger then god not me..
yeeeeeep

now

'church is institution'
why
no
you liked speak with god
so what

Please tell me!
Whats deference between nice institution and Jesus Christ words?
'if you done to someone of mine little one, you done to me'..Jesus Christ words is perfect.

we know who done..

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Since: Jan 09

Chicagoland

#465283 Jul 23, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Look in your Bible...
1 Thessalonians 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
And...
1 Corinthians 15:
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Plain enough for you?
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
“Flesh and blood” refers to the mortal body, so our present bodies in their current condition cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Our present physical organism cannot go to heaven. The idea of “inherit” is to take possession of.

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Since: Jan 09

Chicagoland

#465284 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
<quoted text>
Amen brother. Amen! If a believer receives eternal life at the moment of belief how can they ever lose it? Answer. They cannot. Praise the Lord.
PTL (Praise the Lord)!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465285 Jul 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
No there wasn't. There was the Catholic Church at Rome. St. Paul mentions us in his letter to us. Thanks for asking though.
And thanks so much for not screaming in capital letters.
That is not what your pope approved Bible says:

NABre: Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#465287 Jul 23, 2013
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#465288 Jul 23, 2013
Hey Protestants your brother Herme is posting in support of this site as well. Here you are. Clerics and Monks real Orthodox according to Herme. What a Phony. Decree

3. The same things apply to an even greater degree to Protestantism, which as the offspring of Papism

has inherited many heresies, but has also added many more. It has rejected Tradition, accepting only

Holy Scripture (Sola Scriptura), which it misinterprets; it has abolished the Priesthood as a unique

Mystery (Sacrament), as well as the veneration of the Saints and of the holy Icons; it has failed to

honor, or even, in some cases, slighted the person of the Most Holy Theotokos (Mother of God); it has

discarded monasticism; among the Holy Mysteries, it accepts only Baptism and the Divine Eucharist,

which are understood in a way that deviates sharply from the teaching and the practice of the Church;

it teaches such things as absolute predestination (Calvinism) and justification through faith alone.

Furthermore, its more "progressive" sector has introduced Priesthood for women and marriage

between homosexuals - whom they even accept into the ranks of the clergy. But above all, it lacks a

proper ecclesiology, because the Orthodox understanding of the nature of the Church does not exist

among them.16

4. The only way that our communion with heretics can be restored is if they renounce their delusion

(plani) and repent, so that there may be a true union and peace: a union with the Truth, and not with

delusion and heresy. For the incorporation of heretics into the Church, canonical precision (akriveia)

requires that they be accepted through Baptism.17 Their previous “baptism,” performed outside the

Church (without the triple immersion and emersion of the one being baptized in water sanctified by a

particular prayer) is in no way a baptism.18 All attempts at baptism outside the Church lack the Grace

of the Holy Spirit (Who does not remain within schisms and heresies) and as such, we have nothing in

common that unites us, as Basil the Great points out:“those who had apostatized from the Church had

no longer on them the Grace of the Holy Spirit, for it ceased to be imparted when the continuity was

broken…they who were broken off had become laymen, and, because they are no longer able to confer

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#465289 Jul 23, 2013
If I were you catholics I would look into your own churches problems instead of trying to connect us with you all!

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#465290 Jul 23, 2013
guest wrote:
A portion of the jesuit vow says this.....
I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race.
The one true church? I don't think so.
Isn't the new POPE Jesuit

This does NOT sound like anything he subscribes to

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#465291 Jul 23, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Curiously enough, the ecclesiological problem was never posed as a real issue in the medieval debate between Constantinople and Rome.... only in 1204 ... after the sack of Constantinople did Byzantine theologians begin to discuss seriously the origin of the power which the popes claimed to have.
John Meyendorff, The Orthodox Church (New York: Pantheon Books, 1962), p. 209.

momma mia!!!!
Simple

Chicago, IL

#465292 Jul 23, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
Question.....
When does a believer in Jesus Christ receive eternal life?
<quoted text>
Amen brother. Amen! If a believer receives eternal life at the moment of belief how can they ever lose it? Answer. They cannot. Praise the Lord.
Then pray tell how come you people continue to die if you have eternal life. Your logic is illogical and started with your conclusion first.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#465293 Jul 23, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Hey Protestants your brother Herme is posting in support of this site as well. Here you are. Clerics and Monks real Orthodox according to Herme. What a Phony. Decree
3. The same things apply to an even greater degree to Protestantism, which as the offspring of Papism
has inherited many heresies, but has also added many more. It has rejected Tradition, accepting only
Holy Scripture (Sola Scriptura), which it misinterprets; it has abolished the Priesthood as a unique
Mystery (Sacrament), as well as the veneration of the Saints and of the holy Icons; it has failed to
honor, or even, in some cases, slighted the person of the Most Holy Theotokos (Mother of God); it has
discarded monasticism; among the Holy Mysteries, it accepts only Baptism and the Divine Eucharist,
which are understood in a way that deviates sharply from the teaching and the practice of the Church;
it teaches such things as absolute predestination (Calvinism) and justification through faith alone.
Furthermore, its more "progressive" sector has introduced Priesthood for women and marriage
between homosexuals - whom they even accept into the ranks of the clergy. But above all, it lacks a
proper ecclesiology, because the Orthodox understanding of the nature of the Church does not exist
among them.16
4. The only way that our communion with heretics can be restored is if they renounce their delusion
(plani) and repent, so that there may be a true union and peace: a union with the Truth, and not with
delusion and heresy. For the incorporation of heretics into the Church, canonical precision (akriveia)
requires that they be accepted through Baptism.17 Their previous “baptism,” performed outside the
Church (without the triple immersion and emersion of the one being baptized in water sanctified by a
particular prayer) is in no way a baptism.18 All attempts at baptism outside the Church lack the Grace
of the Holy Spirit (Who does not remain within schisms and heresies) and as such, we have nothing in
common that unites us, as Basil the Great points out:“those who had apostatized from the Church had
no longer on them the Grace of the Holy Spirit, for it ceased to be imparted when the continuity was
broken…they who were broken off had become laymen, and, because they are no longer able to confer

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#465294 Jul 23, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
<quoted text>PTL (Praise the Lord)!
you have been gone so I will warn you. this man ran Karen off of this forum with his filthy mouth towards her.

he isn't a Christian, so take it for what it is worth, only marge, the board doofus will call him a Brother in Christ
Guest55

Cape Girardeau, MO

#465295 Jul 23, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>GIF and I believe in Eternal Security. once saved, stay saved. works for me
Well Preston, that sounds like you and GIF are on the 50/50 plan. I used to be.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#465297 Jul 23, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
No intellectuals or know-it-alls teach the "bible" was written many years after the fact. The OT was written long before, which is what St. Paul is referring to, he's not referring to the NT.
I understand pentecostals tend to fall into the anti-intellectual camp, but no serious bible scholar thinks the bible with the NT dropped out of the sky after Jesus's Ascension.
I'm sorry Kay, but no bible expert believes a single letter of the NT was written until at least 10 after Pentecost.
I have no reason to not believe the following:

The New Testament was not written all at once. The books that compose it appeared one after another in the space of fifty years, i.e. in the second half of the first century.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#465298 Jul 23, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
From Hermes site he has been pasting. Yeah, all the Orthodox Ecumenists are devils. Patriarch Barthrolemew what does he know about Orthodoxy he is called the Ecumenist Patriarch. Herme and Sere speak for all the Orthodox. Well maybe not this one, but he is probably not really Orthdox., but then again all the Orthodox have to agree as everyone is equal because that is the way it was always done. ;0
Again, departure from the Apostolic Tradition is "heresy" and, therefore, along with the ancient "sects," the Orthodox Church counts Papists and Protestants as "heretics"—the recent declaration of some Orthodox "ecumenists" notwithstanding. One need only read the sermons and treatises of Orthodox theologians from St. Photius to St. Mark of Ephesus. Likewise, the rejection of Lutheranism by The Three Answers of Patriarch Jeremiah II (1567) or the condemnation of "all Western innovations" by the Councils of Jassy (1642) and Jerusalem (1672). The Orthodox Councils of the 18th and 19th century make it clear that Protestants and Papists are heretics as do the encyclicals of the Eastern Patriarchs (1848, 1895). In 1904, the Holy Russian Synod urged Western Christians to come to the Orthodox Church, "the Ark of Salvation." Two years before, the famous Joachim II, the Ecumenical Patriarch declared, "Our desire is that all the heterodox (heretics) shall come into the bosom of the Orthodox Church of Christ which alone is able to give them salvation."
http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/heresy.aspx
Presently the ecumenists are a minority.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#465299 Jul 23, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Hey Protestants your brother Herme is posting in support of this site as well. Here you are. Clerics and Monks real Orthodox according to Herme. What a Phony. Decree
3. The same things apply to an even greater degree to Protestantism, which as the offspring of Papism
has inherited many heresies, but has also added many more. It has rejected Tradition, accepting only
Holy Scripture (Sola Scriptura), which it misinterprets; it has abolished the Priesthood as a unique
Mystery (Sacrament), as well as the veneration of the Saints and of the holy Icons; it has failed to
honor, or even, in some cases, slighted the person of the Most Holy Theotokos (Mother of God); it has
discarded monasticism; among the Holy Mysteries, it accepts only Baptism and the Divine Eucharist,
which are understood in a way that deviates sharply from the teaching and the practice of the Church;
it teaches such things as absolute predestination (Calvinism) and justification through faith alone.
Furthermore, its more "progressive" sector has introduced Priesthood for women and marriage
between homosexuals - whom they even accept into the ranks of the clergy. But above all, it lacks a
proper ecclesiology, because the Orthodox understanding of the nature of the Church does not exist
among them.16
4. The only way that our communion with heretics can be restored is if they renounce their delusion
(plani) and repent, so that there may be a true union and peace: a union with the Truth, and not with
delusion and heresy. For the incorporation of heretics into the Church, canonical precision (akriveia)
requires that they be accepted through Baptism.17 Their previous “baptism,” performed outside the
Church (without the triple immersion and emersion of the one being baptized in water sanctified by a
particular prayer) is in no way a baptism.18 All attempts at baptism outside the Church lack the Grace
of the Holy Spirit (Who does not remain within schisms and heresies) and as such, we have nothing in
common that unites us, as Basil the Great points out:“those who had apostatized from the Church had
no longer on them the Grace of the Holy Spirit, for it ceased to be imparted when the continuity was
broken…they who were broken off had become laymen, and, because they are no longer able to confer
You don't get it do you. The Protestants here know what our beliefs are. They know that our two churches share a lot of the same beliefs.The difference between the catholics here and nick and I is that we respect them and you don't.So stop trying to divide us.The protestants here are much more Christ like than you all are and they LIVE THE PART...unlike you all here.

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