Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more

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#464846 Jul 22, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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To fight over who an imaginary god loves is childish behavior ... no matter how you cut it.
I didn't think anyone was fighting over anything, really. Debating and conversing is not fighting. In all honesty, that is your opinion. I don't feel God is imaginary. I have experienced too many things in my life and SEEN things that confirmed what I already knew...there DEFINITELY is a higher power, something greater than me, than you, than the entire earthly world.

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#464847 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Not my intentions at all. My true intention if you must know is to hopefully encourage you to be more like my dear friend John from NJ who was a true and faithful Orthodox Christian who recognized the differences between our Churches, but had the moral fortitude to stand up for our common beliefs and historical union, and defend against the desecration of the sacraments by the fundamentalists on this board. You'd rather have a coffee klatch....
Get out of town!....well Anthony, not all Orthodox are like your friend.Your hidden insults do not go unnoticed...John and I at one time had our own conversation when I first posted on this forum.And his advice to me was not to rock the boat with the catholics here even tho he agreed with me...Stop using John as a shield. May His Memory Be Eternal..

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#464848 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Not my intentions at all. My true intention if you must know is to hopefully encourage you to be more like my dear friend John from NJ who was a true and faithful Orthodox Christian who recognized the differences between our Churches, but had the moral fortitude to stand up for our common beliefs and historical union, and defend against the desecration of the sacraments by the fundamentalists on this board. You'd rather have a coffee klatch....
Take it up with your priest....
marge

Ames, IA

#464849 Jul 22, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Hello Rose...When I became Greek Orthodox I asked my priest that question because I also wanted to know where my little girl was in the churches belief.As you know my little girl died from cancer at age 6 and was not baptized.I was going to protestant church back then.My Orthodox priest told me that my baby was in the hands of Jesus and and not to worry.Thats enough for me....God Bless!
I can't imagine losing a child I am so sorry Seri. And of course she is with Jesus. Blessings
marge

Ames, IA

#464850 Jul 22, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
Anthony and Atemcowboy, been a loooooong time.:)
Are you married? Got a girlfreind?

:)
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#464851 Jul 22, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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Hey ask them not me ..that's what THEY posted..
http://catholiceducation.org/articles/religio...
However there seems to be some study about them being martyrs now.
Of course this says NITHING about miscarriages
Stop it Rose. Stop the mischaracterization and innuendo. This link CLEARLY talks about miscarriage. And this is the Church's teaching on unbaptized babies who die:

"The Catholic Church entrusts all children (from the moment of conception) who die without baptism to God’s mercy in hope of their salvation. There is no distinction between children already born and those still in the womb. "Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say:‘Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,’ allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism" (CCC 1261).

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#464852 Jul 22, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
Anthony and Atemcowboy, been a loooooong time.:)
welcome back, but change your nick, most if not all of us(Christians) have decided not to discuss OSAS any more as it leads to arguments. Agreed?.

Sera and hermi are new on here and don't know you. they are Orthodox and are great people.

in fact, sera is such a great cook, that the other day, hermi thought the dog food was meatloaf and it put it in the microwave and warmed it up and ate it, and loved it.lol

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#464853 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I don't see it as a tit-for-tat. I'm posting positive and ecumenical statements from respected and orthodox clergy and theologians like Bishop Ware WITHIN the Orthodox communion, you post negative and critical statements from dissidents and heretics that have separated themselves from the Catholic Church.
You're doing the exact opposite of what I'm doing. I'm being in inclusive, you're being divisive.
Your being a lieing vindictive person...you are posting the same to us....so it is Tit-for Tat

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#464854 Jul 22, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Get out of town!....well Anthony, not all Orthodox are like your friend.Your hidden insults do not go unnoticed...John and I at one time had our own conversation when I first posted on this forum.And his advice to me was not to rock the boat with the catholics here even tho he agreed with me...Stop using John as a shield. May His Memory Be Eternal..
you are right and Dom is now back and he can tell you that Anthony wasn't a friend of Johns.

Anthony took dust storms side against John more than once

“Free gift means FREE”

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#464855 Jul 22, 2013
Atemcowboy, thanks for the welcoming, however, I would NEVER change that nick, for others, as it represents my convictions on theological matters. I "may" change it, but it might say something like Eternal Security 7, or as the such.
Are you folks debating other issues here? And if so, what would that be?

Marge, I am married now. God bless
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#464856 Jul 22, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Get out of town!....well Anthony, not all Orthodox are like your friend.Your hidden insults do not go unnoticed...John and I at one time had our own conversation when I first posted on this forum.And his advice to me was not to rock the boat with the catholics here even tho he agreed with me...Stop using John as a shield. May His Memory Be Eternal..
John and I (and other Catholics) went toe-to-toe countless times against those who would misrepresent the teachings of our Churches. It was almost always the result of sacrilege against the sacraments, or an insult directed at the Church fathers. We agreed early on that we would focus on the faith we share which is nearly the same and avoid the disagreements which were few. He found great support from us who will defend the sanctity of the Orthodox sacraments as we do our own. Sadly, I believe your personal grudge against us is too much for you to overcome.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#464857 Jul 22, 2013
Osas7 wrote:
Anthony and Atemcowboy, been a loooooong time.:)
Hey, how you doin'?

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#464858 Jul 22, 2013
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JOHN from New Jersey: Just as the believers in Jesus Christ cause the Jews to be jealous(the Apostle Paul said), I believe we are a thorn in the flesh to people like you who are rooted in a man made organization. OH by the way John, I thought that you were not a Roman Catholic,you said"I view it as my church"the same one Paul WV views as the holy Roman Catholic Church?So basically John you are both Orthodox and Roman Catholic, politically of course you are Orthodox "Catholic" as you put it.But in your heart you are Roman Catholic to the core, as it does fit your Historical and traditional beliefs.Do you attend both churches on a regular basis?Or do you get together with the Orthodox and proudly assert you are the First, but yet go to the Roman Church as well to enjoy their universality? John the first "church" of the Apostles was in Jerusalem, a Jewish replica of the Synagogue,minus the worship of the creation rather than the CREATOR!
I tried to remember the last time I was even in a Roman Catholic Church. I know I was in Paris in the early 1980's and probably went to Notre Dame Cathedral there.

And no, why would you think that the Roman Catholic Church would fit my historical or traditional beliefs? The Church at Rome was part of the Church, so there are some aspects of a shared history, shared traditional beliefs but the word "some" tells you that we don't share all of the same beliefs nor the same history. This is in contrast with, for example, the Church at Alexandria and the Church at Antioch who did share some history has the very same traditional beliefs.

I said early on that I will frustrate Protestants since I am not as "anti-Roman Catholic" as they are and will frustrate Roman Catholics since I don't agree with some of their new and/or changes to the Faith once given.

As for remembering the history and origin of the Church, think of that the next time you hear the organ or piano or more at your church.

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#464859 Jul 22, 2013
marge wrote:
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I can't imagine losing a child I am so sorry Seri. And of course she is with Jesus. Blessings
Thank you Marge..she was a beautiful girl and well known in the city where we lived at the time. Many churches of different faiths knew about her and visited her.She loved jewelry,pretty dresses and dolls.She was an angel on earth and now an angel in Heaven...

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#464860 Jul 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you are right and Dom is now back and he can tell you that Anthony wasn't a friend of Johns.
Anthony took dust storms side against John more than once
Whos Dom?
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#464861 Jul 22, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Take it up with your priest....
He likes the Orthodox too. Yeah, I'll keep posting friendly and ecumenical statements from respected Orthodox and defend our sacraments, you two can keep posting criticisms from dissident ex-Catholics and ignore the sacrilege . At least the protestants will still like you.

“Free gift means FREE”

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#464862 Jul 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>you are right and Dom is now back and he can tell you that Anthony wasn't a friend of Johns.
Anthony took dust storms side against John more than once
True, however, Anthony attempted a balancing line between being friends with both of them, and only naturally, would Anthony agree with Dust Storm, because they had the same convictions.

“Free gift means FREE”

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#464863 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Hey, how you doin'?
Doing quite well, and thanks for asking Anthony. Married now, and manage roughly 80 properties. Still pressing deep on theological issues, Church history, etc. Same ol' same ol' as they say :) How are you? How is your business and family,etc?
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#464864 Jul 22, 2013
OBJECTIONS TO THE DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL SECURITY
Basically, three lines of evidence are appealed to in contradiction to the teaching of eternal security for Christians. They are as follows:

1) HUMAN EXPERIENCE
This is the argument that goes: What about So-and-so? He got saved five years ago and now he says he doesn't believe any more. That argument begins with human experience and tries to prove a particular interpretation of God's Word on the basis of it.

But that is starting in the wrong place. God's Word remains true whether it appears to be true in one person's experience or not (Romans 3:4). Our judgment of another person's spiritual condition can be faulty so many times.

2) LOGICAL DIFFICULTIES
This argument goes like this: Tell people they're secure and they'll get careless about their spiritual lives. Human nature being what it is, if you give people freedom, they're going to take advantage of it. But that is not a problem with the doctrine; it's a problem with people. And God says just the opposite. In the biblical view, the gift of salvation and free grace promote godliness, not a defection from the faith.

God says understanding our liberty in Christ will encourage holiness, not carnality. "For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that [What? That we can sin as much as we please because we're safe? No!]...teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age (Titus 2:11-12). Confidence and joy in what God has done for us bring a desire to please Him and live for Him. That is love responding to grace.

3) PROBLEM TEXTS
The third argument against eternal security is people will say, "What about this verse? What about that verse?" Sometimes, the explanation is simple. Sometimes it's not. But that's true of any doctrine. The Bible is a profound book. There will always be difficulties and uncertainties to wrestle with.

Yet we know that God does not contradict Himself. So if it can be shown that the Bible strongly supports the doctrine of eternal security, then we need to consider some other interpretation for the passages that seem to suggest otherwise. In fact, the Bible does teach that Christians can never lose their salvation. The whole doctrine of salvation cries out for that. The whole scope of God's work on our behalf necessitates it.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#464865 Jul 22, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Your being a lieing vindictive person...you are posting the same to us....so it is Tit-for Tat
No, I'm being positive sharing the brotherly statements of your bishops towards Catholics. You're pasting negative and hateful comments from dissident and critical ex-Catholics. Not the same at all.

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