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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 665429 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#464758 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>The Greek Orthodox are not allowed to dance in church because they start breaking plates
OPA

lol
chuck

Sunbury, OH

#464759 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
"Get saved and we'll talk..."
What have you done to "get saved" that any faithful Catholic hasn't done?
Why Tony? We've been through this 100 times and the answer is always the same. Your parents have nothing to do with your salvation. There you...again.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464760 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Gee thanx. I would have never known that. Orthodox= Ancestral Sin Cath= Original Sin from Augustine.
"Closely approach it" We have not "definitively affirmed it"
It is not our belief.Like I said.Can you please just stand on your own beliefs without drawing the Ortho Church into it.You need our approval?
" In the past, individual Orthodox theologians have made statements that, if not definitively affirming the Doctrine of Immaculate Conception, at any rate closely approach it."

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#464761 Jul 22, 2013
who="Clay "
I was making fun of you guys. I actually regret it. I never 'danced around while the Christian rock band was jammin'. That's what I see you guys do.
I really don't like to mock peoples worship practices. I'm trying to work on not doing that.
**********

Thank you...good move.

KM

Since: Dec 11

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#464762 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
"In summary, Orthodoxy does not reject Roman primacy as such, but simply a particular way of understanding that primacy. Within a reintegrated Christendom the bishop of Rome will be considered primus inter pares serving the unity of God's Church in love. He cannot be accepted as set up over the Church as a ruler whose diakonia is conceived through legalistic categories of power of jurisdiction. His authority must be understood, not according to standards of earthly authority and domination, but according to terms of loving ministry and humble service (Matt. 20:25&#8209;27).[44]
Before the schism, in times of ecclesiastical discord and theological controversies, appeals for peaceful resolutions and mediation were made to the pope from all parts of the Christian world. For instance, in the course of the iconoclast controversy, St Theodore the Studite (759&#8209;829) urged the emperor to consult the pope: "If there is anything in the patriarch's reply about which you feel doubt or disbelief... you may ask the chief elder in Rome for clarification, as has been the practice from the beginning according to inherited tradition."[45] From an Orthodox perspective, however, it is important to emphasize that these appeals to the bishop of Rome are not to be understood in juridical terms. The case was not closed when Rome had spoken, and the Byzantines felt free on occasion to reject a Roman ruling.[46]
In a reintegrated Christendom, when the pope takes his place once more as primus inter pares within the Orthodox Catholic communion, the bishop of Rome will have the initiative to summon a synod of the whole Church. The bishop of Rome will, of course, preside over such a synod and his office may coordinate the life and the witness of the Orthodox Catholic church and in times of need be its spokesman. The role of acting as the voice of the Church is not, however, to be restricted to any hierarchical order within the Church, still less to a single see. In principle, any bishop, priest or layman may be called by the Holy Spirit to proclaim the true faith."
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith8523
For those of you watching this, this is the game Anthonmy and others play.

First, they try to do a slight twist on Ortho dogma or their dogma to say "We really believe the same thing" " WE just word it different" etc

Then they find a quote from some ortho priest , bishop, etc who says we should reunite, there really was a pope, etc.

#1 There are priests, even Patriarchs (who do not have the authority in the Ortho Church, just an "authority of union with the people in the faith)that will say we should reunite, or yes there always was a Pope. How weak is this.Find someone and then post it like it represents the whole organization.

So if the Orthos and Caths are not that different- then why not reunite??? Because of the Faith. We will not water down the faith like the Caths to up our numbers. Caths took Barbarians into the Church and let them have their own gods as well for years

The "Ecumenists that want to reunite with the Cath Church are viewed as enemies and traitors by many in the Church.I posted a poll showing that the priests and people do not want to reunite. The Patriarchs are just doing smart politics.The Emperor himself sent Ortho heads to a Council. The Representatives agreed to a compromise with the Caths.The priests and people refused to follow it A Patriarch abdicated over this. e refused to go with the Caths. The Emperor forced it for a while but it died on the vine.

Anthony stay out of the Ortho Church. If you want to represent us study and join. Otherwise dont speak for a Church you dont belong to with your looking for a priest that does not represent the Ortho position.

You are deliberately trying to provoke.Im not angry. Ill just keep teaching you.Vle.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#464763 Jul 22, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you RoSesz, I didn't know that!! that is a good point.
That's what cowboy said..But actually. Who cares..it's,a typo!!!!

The young lady was making a statement about her walk with the Lord.

Have no idea what the poster was going on about ..

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#464764 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
This post wasnt directed to you. Why are you bothering to reply?
I'm posting information directly from Orthodox scholars so as to avoid the appearance of Catholic bias. This way the non-Orthodox observers can make their own minds up regarding the substantial similarities between the two. I'm also not interested in exchanges pleasantries with protestants who blaspheme our sacraments or holy mysteries just so we can massage each others egos.
http://www.antiochianarch.org. au/orthodox-view-on-Immaculate -Conception.aspx
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464765 Jul 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well...I guess when you leave earth and come face to face with God, He'll say why didn't you leave the the religious system catholic church you were in? I sent you a born again ex hippie drug addict to warn you.
Great story Clay. Gave me chills.....
What have you done...biblically...for your salvation that Catholics have not done?
chuck

Sunbury, OH

#464766 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
This post wasnt directed to you. Why are you bothering to reply?
I'm posting information directly from Orthodox scholars so as to avoid the appearance of Catholic bias. This way the non-Orthodox observers can make their own minds up regarding the substantial similarities between the two. I'm also not interested in exchanges pleasantries with protestants who blaspheme our sacraments or holy mysteries just so we can massage each others egos.
My post "get saved and we'll talk" wasn't directed to you. Why are you bothering to reply?

Since: Feb 12

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#464767 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
This post wasnt directed to you. Why are you bothering to reply?
I'm posting information directly from Orthodox scholars so as to avoid the appearance of Catholic bias. This way the non-Orthodox observers can make their own minds up regarding the substantial similarities between the two. I'm also not interested in exchanges pleasantries with protestants who blaspheme our sacraments or holy mysteries just so we can massage each others egos.
Super!

Since: Feb 12

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#464768 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You claim to be saved and so does chuck who also says Catholics aren't saved (I assume you do too). My question to you both is what have you done for this salvation that a Catholic cant also claim?
http://theorthodoxchurch.info/ blog/news/2012/12/an-orthodox- christian-understanding-of-the -immaculate-conception/
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#464769 Jul 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>If those scrolls agree with the jewish Masoretic Text and that agrees with the KJV. you are just blowing smoke and don't know what you are talking about which you have proved over and over again.
the Jewish scribes that have written the Masoretic Text knows Hebrew much better than any catholic.lol
Ok, let me try this differently because you seem to be avoiding the dilemma. The Masoretic Jewish texts were not the official canon during the time of Christ. Right?

The Sadducees only recognized the Books of Moses. They didn't consider Daniel and Isaiah sacred scripture.

The Pharisees had the Books of Moses as well as many that you have in your KJV.

The Essenes were the ones closely associated with the Qumranite Jews of the Dead Sea Scrolls. They had Tobit and Sirach in their scriptures.

You see, different sects had different Books in their Bible.

How do you know the KJV is the one Christ wills?

Where does Jesus instruct us on the correct Biblical canon?

Since: Dec 11

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#464770 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
This post wasnt directed to you. Why are you bothering to reply?
I'm posting information directly from Orthodox scholars so as to avoid the appearance of Catholic bias. This way the non-Orthodox observers can make their own minds up regarding the substantial similarities between the two. I'm also not interested in exchanges pleasantries with protestants who blaspheme our sacraments or holy mysteries just so we can massage each others egos.
=======
You want to play tit for tat:

The dissident theologian Father Hans Kung has criticized Pope Benedict XVI as isolated and unable to take creative steps to deal with a series of internal church questions, including priestly celibacy and birth control.

Father Kung said the pope's recent lifting of the excommunications of four traditionalist bishops illustrated the pontiff's desire for a smaller and purer church, and his inability to make necessary reforms.

"The church risks becoming a sect. Many Catholics no longer expect anything from this pope. It's very sad," Father Kung said in an interview published by the French newspaper Le Monde Feb. 24.

His remarks drew a sharp comment from the dean of the College of Cardinals, Italian Cardinal Angelo Sodano, who told Vatican Radio he felt "wounded" when he read the interview.

"Fraternal criticism has always been possible in the church, from the times of Sts. Peter and Paul. Bitter criticism, on the other hand, especially when it's so broad, does not contribute to the unity of the church, for which Pope Benedict is working so hard," Cardinal Sodano said.

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Father Kung, who has taught in Germany for decades, has frequently challenged official church positions on papal infallibility, birth control, priestly celibacy and the all-male priesthood. In 1979 the Vatican withdrew permission for him to teach as a Catholic theologian, although it did not restrict his ministry as a Catholic priest.

Father Kung has known Pope Benedict for some 50 years, and the two met in 2005 for what the Vatican described as a "friendly" encounter.

In the interview with Le Monde, Father Kung noted that one of the four traditionalist bishops whose excommunication was lifted by the pope has minimized the Holocaust, provoking widespread criticism. The pope's misjudgment on such an important issue, Father Kung said, reflected his own isolation.

"Benedict XVI has always lived in an ecclesial environment. He has not traveled much. He's always remained closed in the Vatican -- which is quite similar to how the Kremlin was at one time -- where he is safe from criticism," Father Kung said.

In any case, he said, the lifting of the excommunications was not a mistake in communications or tactics, but an error in church governance. He said it was "scandalous" that on the 50th anniversary of the convening of the Second Vatican Council Pope Benedict moved to reintegrate people who were opposed to the council's teachings.

Father Kung said that in his nearly four years in office the pope has shown a lack of pastoral courage and a lack of awareness of the "profound crisis" in the church. He suggested that the pope could make several important gestures:

-- Allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion in some circumstances.

-- Take steps to "correct" the 1968 encyclical "Humanae Vitae" and allow use of birth control in some cases.

-- Abolish the rule of priestly celibacy in the Latin-rite church.

-- Institute a new way of electing bishops with the involvement of local Catholics.

Father Kung said it would be helpful to call a third Vatican council to deal with these and other issues.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464771 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>For those of you watching this, this is the game Anthonmy and others play.
First, they try to do a slight twist on Ortho dogma or their dogma to say "We really believe the same thing" " WE just word it different" etc
Then they find a quote from some ortho priest , bishop, etc who says we should reunite, there really was a pope, etc.
#1 There are priests, even Patriarchs (who do not have the authority in the Ortho Church, just an "authority of union with the people in the faith)that will say we should reunite, or yes there always was a Pope. How weak is this.Find someone and then post it like it represents the whole organization.
So if the Orthos and Caths are not that different- then why not reunite??? Because of the Faith. We will not water down the faith like the Caths to up our numbers. Caths took Barbarians into the Church and let them have their own gods as well for years
The "Ecumenists that want to reunite with the Cath Church are viewed as enemies and traitors by many in the Church.I posted a poll showing that the priests and people do not want to reunite. The Patriarchs are just doing smart politics.The Emperor himself sent Ortho heads to a Council. The Representatives agreed to a compromise with the Caths.The priests and people refused to follow it A Patriarch abdicated over this. e refused to go with the Caths. The Emperor forced it for a while but it died on the vine.
Anthony stay out of the Ortho Church. If you want to represent us study and join. Otherwise dont speak for a Church you dont belong to with your looking for a priest that does not represent the Ortho position.
You are deliberately trying to provoke.Im not angry. Ill just keep teaching you.Vle.
I'm not posting anything to you. I'm rather posting from respected Orthodox clergy and theologians showing the remarkable similarity between the two in order to reinforce the idea with the protestants on the thread that almost everything they hate about the Catholic Church is also found in Orthodoxy.

Also to highlight the difference from someone who will defend the faith against scurrilous false witness vs. those lukewarm folks who are more interested in exchanging Internet high-fives and cooking recipes.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464772 Jul 22, 2013
chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why Tony? We've been through this 100 times and the answer is always the same. Your parents have nothing to do with your salvation. There you...again.
I didn't ask what your parents did, I asked you what YOU have done that a Catholic hasn't.

Since: Feb 12

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#464773 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN

United States

#464774 Jul 22, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>=======
You want to play tit for tat:
The dissident theologian Father Hans Kung has criticized Pope Benedict XVI as isolated and unable to take creative steps to deal with a series of internal church questions, including priestly celibacy and birth control.
Father Kung said the pope's recent lifting of the excommunications of four traditionalist bishops illustrated the pontiff's desire for a smaller and purer church, and his inability to make necessary reforms.
"The church risks becoming a sect. Many Catholics no longer expect anything from this pope. It's very sad," Father Kung said in an interview published by the French newspaper Le Monde Feb. 24.
His remarks drew a sharp comment from the dean of the College of Cardinals, Italian Cardinal Angelo Sodano, who told Vatican Radio he felt "wounded" when he read the interview.
"Fraternal criticism has always been possible in the church, from the times of Sts. Peter and Paul. Bitter criticism, on the other hand, especially when it's so broad, does not contribute to the unity of the church, for which Pope Benedict is working so hard," Cardinal Sodano said.
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Father Kung, who has taught in Germany for decades, has frequently challenged official church positions on papal infallibility, birth control, priestly celibacy and the all-male priesthood. In 1979 the Vatican withdrew permission for him to teach as a Catholic theologian, although it did not restrict his ministry as a Catholic priest.
Father Kung has known Pope Benedict for some 50 years, and the two met in 2005 for what the Vatican described as a "friendly" encounter.
In the interview with Le Monde, Father Kung noted that one of the four traditionalist bishops whose excommunication was lifted by the pope has minimized the Holocaust, provoking widespread criticism. The pope's misjudgment on such an important issue, Father Kung said, reflected his own isolation.
"Benedict XVI has always lived in an ecclesial environment. He has not traveled much. He's always remained closed in the Vatican -- which is quite similar to how the Kremlin was at one time -- where he is safe from criticism," Father Kung said.
In any case, he said, the lifting of the excommunications was not a mistake in communications or tactics, but an error in church governance. He said it was "scandalous" that on the 50th anniversary of the convening of the Second Vatican Council Pope Benedict moved to reintegrate people who were opposed to the council's teachings.
Father Kung said that in his nearly four years in office the pope has shown a lack of pastoral courage and a lack of awareness of the "profound crisis" in the church. He suggested that the pope could make several important gestures:
-- Allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion in some circumstances.
-- Take steps to "correct" the 1968 encyclical "Humanae Vitae" and allow use of birth control in some cases.
-- Abolish the rule of priestly celibacy in the Latin-rite church.
-- Institute a new way of electing bishops with the involvement of local Catholics.
Father Kung said it would be helpful to call a third Vatican council to deal with these and other issues.
Bishop Ware isn't a dissident. Hans Kung is. And a discredited one.

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#464775 Jul 22, 2013
Tit for Tat as long as you post your misleading quotes re Orthodoxy:

Anthony

Matthew Fox (born 1940) is an American priest and theologian.[1] Formerly a member of the Dominican Order within the Roman Catholic Church, he is now a member of the Episcopal Church.

In 1983, Catholic Church leadership began officially reviewing Fox’s teachings and theological divergences. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger – then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, a Vatican administrative body charged with teaching and defending church doctrine – ordered a panel of Dominican priests and theologians to perform a two-year review of Fox’s writings.

When the initial findings found in Fox’s favor, Cardinal Ratzinger, later to become Pope Benedict XVI, rejected them and ordered a second review which was never undertaken. SOME SCHOLARS SAY THESE TRADITIONS ARE CLOSE TO THOSE THAT WERE FIRST LAID OUT BY JESUS.

AMONG FOX’S MOST CONTROVERSIAL TEACHINGS WAS A BELIEF IN "ORIGINAL BLESSING", WHICH BECAME THE TITLE OF ONE OF HIS MOST POPULAR BOOKS. THE CONCEPT WAS IN DIRECT CONTRAVENTION OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE THAT PEOPLE ARE BORN INTO "ORIGINAL SIN".

In 1988, Fox wrote a public letter to Cardinal Ratzinger entitled "IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TODAY A DYSFUNCTIONAL FAMILY?", which was subsequently widely disseminated by the National Catholic

Reporter. Soon after, Cardinal Ratzinger issued an order forbidding Fox to teach or lecture for a year.

In 1993, Fox’s conflicts with Catholic authorities climaxed with his expulsion from the Dominican order for "disobedience", effectively ending his professional relationship with the church and his teaching at its universities.

Cardinal Ratzinger ordered the expulsion after Fox refused to respond to a summons to discuss his writings with his superiors in the Roman Catholic Church.

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#464776 Jul 22, 2013
chuck

Sunbury, OH

#464777 Jul 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't ask what your parents did, I asked you what YOU have done that a Catholic hasn't.
I didn't say anything about my parents.

I haven't done anything that a catholic has done for salvation.

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