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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 650331 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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marge

Leesburg, GA

#464350 Jul 21, 2013
A Christian is justified.“Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”(Romans 5:1). To “justify” means to “declare righteous.” All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared.

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marge

Leesburg, GA

#464351 Jul 21, 2013
A Christian is promised eternal life.“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life”(John 3:16). Eternal life is a promise of eternity (forever) in heaven with God. God promises,“Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be taken away. If a Christian is promised to live forever, how then can God break this promise by taking away eternal life?

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464352 Jul 21, 2013
A Christian is guaranteed glorification.“And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified”(Romans 8:30). As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#464353 Jul 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
ALBERT EINSTEIN AND GOD
Here is the full quote, taken directly from a publication by Princeton University:
"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University, page 214
Great Quote Thanx Ox
Pad

Rockford, IL

#464354 Jul 21, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks Roseesz I consider Pad a friend
I'm glad i saw this post,it includes what RoSeze said to me in regards to my future surgery.That is true about the scar tissue,and I already had one operation because of the scar tissue strangling my bowel.My surgeon seems to be pretty skilled in dealing with the situation,after though I might want to ask more questions on how to deal with the abdominal problems I have and future surgeries(a real nightmare).

I will use this space to answer Ro's question about OSAS. I find that topic very hard to give a yes or no answer to as it were.GRACE is a very powerful truth to the believer,or it should be.What is important is that we realize that outside of the Cross on which our Savior died,and His plan of salvation there is nothing that can be added to that.He said "It is Finished".That tells me that He P a i d the full price for all sin and for future generations.2,000 years of sins by humanity is more than we could ever add up,so only the PERSON of Christ who sacrificed His All,can fathom the depths of what He accomplished on the Cross.

I believe that the Garden of Gethsemane also must be taken into account,as He was faced with the reality of what He would face for our sins,IN the SWEAT,Drops of Blood.The Agony in the garden was not just Jesus dreading facing the Cross,but also knowing the extent of human degredation through the Nature of Sin.

Jesus being the Lamb of God is so final and so powerful,all of any human effort to cleanse ones conscience or do works that would appease God is F U T I L E!It is a disservice to what Christ accomplished when we do not freely receive His grace,that is without merit or something which we ourselves must do to reconcile before a Righteous Father.No sacrifice made by human hands can suffice to appeal to God the Father,when HE in fact gave His only Son as a Ransom.

To continue to sin after receiving Christ is something we all struggle with,no exceptions.The view that God is quick to condemn us and judge our souls to hell is ridiculous in regards to the Christian struggle with sin post receiving Christ.For if a person truly receives Christ he or she experiences the Holy Spirit who convicts us of sin.If a person ignores the Holy Spirit,he or she is basically telling the Father that His Son's death meant nothing,and that work of grace was useless.So if individuals continue to sin and live according to their own fallen state,and ignore Christ,than what kind of salvation did they experience?

Nothing that Christ has done for us is powerless,nor is His grace cheap.BUT,we who come to Christ, have to evaluate what happened to us when we embraced the crucified Savior who washed away our sins with His precious Blood.If the person ignores the Grace of Christ,and believes he or she is saved by any effort of their doing,they do not know the extent of grace,or what Christ accomplished on the Cross for them.That is a concern as to what believers are taught in the so called churches or organizations.But what Christ did is final,and complete.Our salvation is complete in Him,only because HE did it.No "man can come to the Father except by Jesus the Son"His sacrifice paid the full price,and we are called to receive and BELIEVE,and to walk in the Spirit. Sin we will,but to ignore Christ and to live in the bounds of sin destroys the witness of what the Spirit has done.

We have an ADVOCATE with the Father in the Son,REPENTANCE is required when sinning post receiving that Saving Grace.Continually!
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464355 Jul 21, 2013
Many more illustrations of what occurs at salvation could be shared. Even these few make it abundantly clear that a Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Jesus Christ as Savior would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation cannot be reversed. A Christian cannot be un-newly created. Redemption cannot be undone. Eternal life cannot be lost and still be considered eternal. If a Christian can lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and change His mind—two things that Scripture tells us God never does.

The most frequent objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation are 1) What about those who are Christians and continually live an immoral lifestyle? 2) What about those who are Christians but later reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these two objections is the phrase “who are Christians.” The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a continually immoral lifestyle (1 John 3:6). The Bible declares that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he never truly was a Christian (1 John 2:19). Therefore, neither objection is valid. Christians do not continually live immoral lifestyles, nor do they reject the faith and deny Christ. Such actions are proof that they were never redeemed.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464356 Jul 21, 2013
No, a Christian cannot lose salvation. Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God is both willing and able to guarantee and maintain the salvation He has given us. Jude 24-25,“To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464357 Jul 21, 2013
Question: "Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean we can lose our salvation?"

Answer: Hebrews 6:4-6 states,“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.” This is one of the Bible’s most difficult passages to interpret, but one thing is clear—it does not teach that we can lose our salvation. There are two valid ways of looking at these verses:

One interpretation holds that this passage is written not about Christians but about unbelievers who are convinced of the basic truths of the gospel but who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. They are intellectually persuaded but spiritually uncommitted.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html#ix...

cont.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464358 Jul 21, 2013
According to this interpretation, the phrase “once enlightened”(verse 4) refers to some level of instruction in biblical truth. However, understanding the words of scripture is not the same as being regenerated by the Holy Spirit. For example, John 1:9 describes Jesus, the “true Light,” giving light “to every man”; but this cannot mean the light of salvation, because not every man is saved. Through God’s sovereign power, every man has enough light to be held responsible. This light either leads to the complete acceptance of Jesus Christ or produces condemnation in those who reject such light. The people described in Hebrews 6:4-6 are of the latter group—unbelievers who have been exposed to God’s redemptive truth and perhaps have made a profession of faith, but have not exercised genuine saving faith.

This interpretation also sees the phrase “tasted the heavenly gift”(Hebrews 6:9) as referring to a momentary experience, akin to Jesus’“tasting” death (Hebrews 2:9). This brief experience with the heavenly gift is not seen as equivalent to salvation; rather, it is likened to the second and third soils in Jesus’ parable (Matthew 13:3-23), which describes people who receive the truth of the gospel but are not truly saved.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html#ix...

cont.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464359 Jul 21, 2013
Finally, this interpretation sees the “falling away”(Hebrews 6:6) as a reference to those who have tasted the truth but, not having come all the way to faith, fall away from even the revelation they have been given. The tasting of truth is not enough to keep them from falling away from it. They must come all the way to Christ in complete repentance and faith; otherwise, they in effect re-crucify Christ and treat Him contemptuously. Those who sin against Christ in such a way have no hope of restoration or forgiveness because they reject Him with full knowledge and conscious experience. They have concluded that Jesus should have been crucified, and they stand with His enemies. It is impossible to renew such to repentance.

The other interpretation holds that this passage is written about Christians, and that the phrases “partakers of the Holy Ghost,”“enlightened,” and “tasted of the heavenly gift” are all descriptions of true believers.

According to this interpretation, the key word in the passage is if (verse 6). The writer of Hebrews is setting up a hypothetical statement:“IF a Christian were to fall away ...” The point being made is that it would be impossible (IF a Christian falls away) to renew salvation. That’s because Christ died once for sin (Hebrews 9:28), and if His sacrifice is insufficient, then there’s no hope at all.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html#ix...

cont.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464360 Jul 21, 2013
The passage, therefore, presents an argument based on a false premise (that a true Christian can fall away) and follows it to its senseless conclusion (that Jesus would have to be sacrificed again and again). The absurdity of the conclusion points up the impossibility of the original assumption. This reasoning is called reductio ad absurdum, in which a premise is disproved by showing that it logically leads to an absurdity.

Both of these interpretations support the security of the believer in Christ. The first interpretation presents unbelievers rejecting Christ and thereby losing their chance of salvation; the second interpretation presents the very idea of believers losing salvation as impossible. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that salvation is eternal (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:35, 38-39; Philippians 1:6; 1 Peter 1:4-5), and Hebrews 6:4-6 confirms that doctrine.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html#ix...

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#464361 Jul 21, 2013
marge wrote:
A Christian is guaranteed glorification.“And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified”(Romans 8:30). As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
Agree with it all of them
marge

Leesburg, GA

#464362 Jul 21, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Marge
I have been researching on those verses. HEB 6
Hit a couple ..there are a few you can look up ..But so far these are enlightening
http://gracethrufaith.com/selah/falling-away-...
And this gives,another view,of exactly the audience the writer was addressing..it from the Orthodox standpoibt
http://oca.org/questions/scripture/hebrews-64...
They BELUEVE differently than we do but part of it addressed the question we have e
Thanks RoSesz I read them, the first link is proper exegesis, the second not so much.

As you can see i coped and pasted much of what 'got questions' says on the topic:)

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#464363 Jul 21, 2013
marge wrote:
The passage, therefore, presents an argument based on a false premise (that a true Christian can fall away) and follows it to its senseless conclusion (that Jesus would have to be sacrificed again and again). The absurdity of the conclusion points up the impossibility of the original assumption. This reasoning is called reductio ad absurdum, in which a premise is disproved by showing that it logically leads to an absurdity.
Both of these interpretations support the security of the believer in Christ. The first interpretation presents unbelievers rejecting Christ and thereby losing their chance of salvation; the second interpretation presents the very idea of believers losing salvation as impossible. Many scriptures make it abundantly clear that salvation is eternal (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:35, 38-39; Philippians 1:6; 1 Peter 1:4-5), and Hebrews 6:4-6 confirms that doctrine.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html#ix...
Try this link

It speaks to the fact that HEBREWS was written to the Jewish believers.
Done if whom even having been baptized and enlightened. we're drifting back into the old SACRIFICIAL system...thus excruciating Jesus,again as if THAT first Crucifixion was,nit enough.
http://www.jimmcguiggan.com/reflections3.asp...
Pad

Rockford, IL

#464364 Jul 21, 2013
marge wrote:
A Christian is a new creation.“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!”(2 Corinthians 5:17). This verse speaks of a person becoming an entirely new creature as a result of being “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be canceled and reversed.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
But we have to realize that although YES we are new creatures in Christ,we are not dead in our present bodies yet. If a person decides of his or her own free will to reject that new creation in themselves, that is a decision of the Will,and places the person in the position of deciding once again their own fate outside of the Promises of God.In Christ we have our being and redemption,that is perfect,Holy,and wondrous.But we are given such a powerful freedom to choose our way.

Many of the people who are called,for reasons known to them reject the call and follow their own conscience,and the Bible says worse is their fate than if they never knew the Master to begin with.That is why every believer needs to be taught about what happened to them on believing,and to what extent if possible they must understand who the Holy Spirit is in their lives.The Holy Spirit reveals Christ to us,and the Redemptive plan of God is made clear through the Holy Spirit.The power of the Holy Spirit will not act against the will of the individual,but as a Gentleman that He is,He does not force obedience or discipline.It is the believer along with the church(Community) to learn discipline and obedience to WALK in the Spirit.Wreckless Christians as it were bring shame to the rest of the body.But even more if a believer chooses to abandon Christ,he or she needs to understand that they no longer will be able to control what they blindly held to before they were converted.Once you come in contact with the Holy One,your life is never the same,and the physical and spiritual world is confronted within the individual,decisions to forsake the spiritual will cause damage that may not be able to be healed if the person dies in that state.

God calls us to Repentance,and that is what the Scriptures teach us,because the Scriptures are addressed to guess who? the BELIEVER!

We really need to realize that the Scriptures are written to those who believe,so everything that is said of salvation and damnation affects us.The unbeliever may never read Scripture.But we who read them are accountable as it were to how we respond to them.

It is Salvation,New Creation,Walking in the Spirit,that is our WAY,and anything else places us in jeapordy.It is impossible to live a secluded life as a believer,doing our own thing,ignoring the discipline and obedience we must have in Christ!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#464365 Jul 21, 2013
marge wrote:
Question: "Does Hebrews 6:4-6 mean we can lose our salvation?"
Answer: Hebrews 6:4-6 states,“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.” This is one of the Bible’s most difficult passages to interpret, but one thing is clear—it does not teach that we can lose our salvation. There are two valid ways of looking at these verses:
One interpretation holds that this passage is written not about Christians but about unbelievers who are convinced of the basic truths of the gospel but who have not placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Savior. They are intellectually persuaded but spiritually uncommitted.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html#ix...
cont.
Marge,"become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have T A S T E D the Good Word of God," does not sound like just an unbeliever who is intellectually acquiessing to faith in God. The individual is actually spiritually emersed into the truth of the Gospel,by partaking of the Person of the Holy Spirit, and tasting the spiritual good words of the Creator.Experiencing salvation.That verse you quoted from Hebrews is written to believers who have tasted of the reality of Christ and reject them.Yes they are bringing the shame of the Cross upon the Savior by rejecting His gift to them after they already tasted of it.

We are daily confronted with temptation,and sin,and although temptation and sin no longer condemns us if we are in Christ,we still have our will which stays with us till we are dead.Our free will is that open link to our decisions we make daily either to follow our Lord or reject Him.That is the greatest struggle and precarious reality we face.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#464366 Jul 21, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
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i WILL DISCUSS THE PRODIGAL SON..LATER
i AM OFF TO CHURCH FOR NOW...
G.I.F.
I think after years of fighting about it on this forum, we should all just walk in the light that we are given.

if you cant understand that OSAS might not be Biblical, then just leave it alone.and vice versa.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#464367 Jul 21, 2013
marge wrote:
A Christian is guaranteed glorification.“And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified”(Romans 8:30). As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
Yes,I have been reading yours ..That second one was,mot Protestant in origin but git me thinking on the intended audience .

So did the last one I gave you .

BUT THIS IS THE BEST ONE SO FAR IMO

as this preaching originally led me to the Lord along with some other things

http://www.intouch.org/you/sermon-outlines/co...

here s a list of some pages and sermons,on walking away and sinning

http://www.intouch.org/search.aspx...

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#464368 Jul 21, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
If the sheepishly definitely belongs to the Shepherd runs away..He does NOT look for it.
If the FATHERS,CHILD leaves,and squandered his inheritance..He is,NOT welcomed back ( you actually Saud just the opposite yesterday )
If those given to the SON sin..they are NOT HIS if they return..
Sorry most confused now
the prodigal Son is in reference to Israel and its backsliding.

Please remember that the Holy Spirit is not given to them(unless one of them would be Born Again),as it is given to us.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#464369 Jul 21, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>I think after years of fighting about it on this forum, we should all just walk in the light that we are given.
if you cant understand that OSAS might not be Biblical, then just leave it alone.and vice versa.
Good advice!

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