Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Clay

United States

#463793 Jul 19, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Clay I am gonna be honest with ya.I read your first statement then stopped...You blame God for the mistakes of the popes?? Excuses excuses....so the good out ways the bad....lets just sweep it under the carpet....right?
What??? I blame God? What??!!!??

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#463794 Jul 19, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Rose,I hope my posts here have helped you to recognize you should not take as the Truth anything they say about Orthodoxy.I dont have the time or the health to continue to correct the ongoing wave of untruths.
Nick! How many times have I told you to stay way from the monkey cage when your at the zoo!!Now go home and wash your hands.Its dinner time!
Clay

United States

#463795 Jul 19, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I think maybe you could learn something from torturous history of Russia with the slaughters communism etc The "brave" Catholics here are only brave in Topix. They would change into any religion if threatened with death and torture. The reason I know that is that they dont even have the moral courage to face the Truth when it is presented here.
Are you saying the Russian Orthodox assimilated into the Soviet Orthodox and back to the Russian Orthodox out of fear?
Hey, I acknowledge the brutal oppression the Soviets and Lenin unleashed on the Orthodox Church. But remember, those were largely Orthodox that made up the Communist party, am I right?
Btw, I'm no expert on this history. So don't get mad. I did read a few things about the history of the Russian Orthodox though.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#463796 Jul 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
That was the Ark of the Covenant. I don't think we Catholics view the chair of Saint Peter like we would the Ark.
Like I stated earlier, we unfortunately rely on Protestant propaganda to shape our impression of these so-called bad popes.
Indeed, one of you guys are probably working feverishly right now to come up with a link detailing their lives. The link will undoubtedly come from a fanatical website.
I only find one or two that were downright corrupt. That's like 1%.. And only God knows what really happened in their minds. Thankfully by the guidance of God, these men did nothing to infiltrate sacred scripture or sacred tradition nor Dogma and doctrine.
Clay honestly there is sin in every Church.I dont care about the Pope. If Catholics believe that the Pope is truly Biblical I dont have a problem with that. ts just not my belief. Since coming to Topix I have seen the Catholics post a Catholic version of Orthodoxy they get from Catholic sites. I have seen them ignore the Truth when presented. I have seen them turn mean and nasty and try to hurt people. So have no use for the Catholics here. And they still continue throwing in a side comment here and there about Orthodoxy. As long as they do this there is not one here that I respect or trust.And if I take them as representative of the Catholic Church, then the Catholic Church is my enemy because these Catholics are the enemy of the Orthodox Church here. The catholic church does not want me as an enemy.

Since: Sep 09

Fort Saint James, Canada

#463797 Jul 19, 2013
[QUOTE who="confrinting with the wordTHE ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTEMPTED TO DESTROY (THE DESCENDANTS)
[/QUOTE]

My guess is, if you were allowed you would be burning Roman Catholics at the stake and waiting for rewards from a "god" for believing you performed HOLY deeds.

Good Grief!

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#463798 Jul 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Psa 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.
Psa 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.
Psa 32:3 When I kept silence, my bones waxed old through my roaring all the day long.
Psa 32:4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me: my moisture is turned into the drought of summer. Selah.
Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.
Psa 32:6 For this shall every one that is godly pray unto thee in a time when thou mayest be found: surely in the floods of great waters they shall not come nigh unto him.
Psa 32:7 Thou art my hiding place; thou shalt preserve me from trouble; thou shalt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah.
Psa 32:8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.
Psa 32:9 Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.
Psa 32:10 Many sorrows shall be to the wicked: but he that trusteth in the LORD, mercy shall compass him about.
Psa 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.
Thanks,Kay again

Now,I can copy it into the,notebook I am keeping on this,kindle,!!!

Hope you can answer that one about purgatory that I was,ask e d..told

Since: Sep 09

Fort Saint James, Canada

#463799 Jul 19, 2013
Christians say that Allah is a false god ... but the word Allah simply "means" god in a different language than English.

They all preach there is only one god, and they all believe they have complete ownership OF the one and only god.

Humans are idiots with no hope of improvement.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#463800 Jul 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
That was the Ark of the Covenant. I don't think we Catholics view the chair of Saint Peter like we would the Ark.
Like I stated earlier, we unfortunately rely on Protestant propaganda to shape our impression of these so-called bad popes.
Indeed, one of you guys are probably working feverishly right now to come up with a link detailing their lives. The link will undoubtedly come from a fanatical website.
I only find one or two that were downright corrupt. That's like 1%.. And only God knows what really happened in their minds. Thankfully by the guidance of God, these men did nothing to infiltrate sacred scripture or sacred tradition nor Dogma and doctrine.
Not me clay...I am done looking up links.It waste of time.Its pointless also.You don't have to look towardsanyone to shape the history of your bad Popes.They did it to themselves! it is what it is!Where are you going for your information? On a catholic site.If so, let me know. I would truly like to view your resouraces also.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#463801 Jul 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Mat 13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC ATTEMPTED TO DESTROY (THE DESCENDANTS)
SUCCESSORS OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF JESUS IN THE CRUSADES
THE SUCCESSORS OF JAMES ..THE BROTHER OF JESUS..
THE SUCCESSORS OF JOSES ..THE BROTHER OF JESUS..
THE SUCCESSORS OF JUDAS ..THE BROTHER OF JESUS...
THE DESCENDANTS OF JESUS' SISTERS...
AND TO COVER THEIR CRIME COMMITTED IN THE CRUSADES...
TO DESTROY THE SEED ROYAL OF JOSEPH...
THEY REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT
MARY AND JOSEPH'S FAMILY OF SEVEN CHILDREN EVER EXISTED.
THIS IS TO CONCEAL THE USURPATION OF THE DYNASTY OF DAVID...
THE DYNASTY OF WHICH JESUS WAS HEIR APPARENT
TO THE THRONE OF DAVID IN JERUSALEM...
WHEN JESUS WAS BORN IN BETHLEHEM OF JUDE AH.
~~~

O I LEFT OUT SIMON DID i NOT...

THE TRUTH IS

HAD THE DYNASTY OF DAVID REMAINED/CONTINUED... IN JERUSALEM OVER THE 28

GENERATIONS...between the the rein of David and Joseph...

Joseph and Mary would have been the royal family in Jerusalem at the

birth of Jesus .

Jesus the first born would have been heir apparent to the PHYSICAL

throne OF DAVID at the death of Joseph...

WHEN JESUS ASCENDED TO HIS HEAVENLY THRONE..

JAMES JESUS' EARTHLY BROTHER WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT IN LINE.

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC (so called) CHURCH ATTEMPTED TO USURP THE THRONE

FOR THEMSELVES AND SET PETER ( WHO WAS NOT A DESCENDANT OF DAVID) UPON A

THRONE IN ROME..AND A WHOLE LINE OF GENTILES TO BE PETERS

SUCCESSORS...

ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT JESUS NEVER INTENDED TO SET A PHYSICAL KINGDOM..

AND HE DID NOT

BUT RATHER A SPIRITUAL KINGDOM IN THE HEARTS OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN HIM AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#463802 Jul 19, 2013
who="Human Being"
confronting
KayMarie:
True....Yet even though we are forgiven, we(and God) do not forget.
And to me, because one does not forget, the soul presently carries not just the penalty for sin, but also guilt. And guilt is not so easily washed away.
Our memories cannot be washed clean, otherwise our minds could not hold memories. In a sense we have a temporary truce with God, and this give us peace and consolation with God, in which together God and oneself can work on rebuilding a better, and lasting relationship....
And guilt, within our souls(specifically within our memories)which could weigh us down into despair, will be transformed. But be cheerful, because in God we hope. And it is when our hope is fulfilled that our guilt ends....

**********
Guilt is probably the heaviest load that a human being can feel.
One may remember their sin, but the one who truly accepts the offer of forgiveness from God, is relieved of the burden of it.

If we ourselves could suffer enough to pay for our sin, or if we could do penance and remove it, no one would be 'sinsick'! Man's problem is that he is too proud to admit that he is a sinner, so he cannot seek forgiveness from Someone he cannot see, for something he has not done.

So he remains in his sin...

KayMarie

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#463803 Jul 19, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You missed my post Rose, what a surprise. Yes he was chosen by the Holy Spirit. Yes, he's St. Peter's successor. Yes, they are sinners. Yes, St. Peter was a sinner. And the Orthodox will tell you the same about their episcopate (maybe not the ones here).
I have a few of my own if you don't mind;
Who in your congregation is holy? Any of them free of sin? Are protestant preachers who claim to be chosen by the Holy Spirit free of sin? Is your preacher preaching the truth even if he's having an adulterous affair with one of your congregants? Isn't all sin the same according to protestant doctrine? Wouldn't that mean stealing a loaf of bread is just as bad as visiting a brothel?
No they are not but they do nit claim as far as I KNIW to be chosen by the HOLY SPIRIT to be a,direct successor to ST PETER.

THEY are not POPES,claiming to be the head of the TRUE CHURCH.

HOWEVER..I will say I was surprised to read

That the PURPOSE of VATICAN 2. Was,to REJECT THE IDEA,THAT CHRISTS,CHURCH rested SOLEY with the CATHOLIC CHURCH

after reading on this forum ..to read that totally floored me

It's in the second section here

http://vatican2voice.org/6unity/restore_unity...
truth

Perth, Australia

#463804 Jul 19, 2013
russians will be converted fully again..

when they start see openly what will be happened they will turn over like never before back and pray on knee
ones again..before to late..

it is written
many prophets see on front
they been killed too..

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#463805 Jul 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying the Russian Orthodox assimilated into the Soviet Orthodox and back to the Russian Orthodox out of fear?
Hey, I acknowledge the brutal oppression the Soviets and Lenin unleashed on the Orthodox Church. But remember, those were largely Orthodox that made up the Communist party, am I right?
Btw, I'm no expert on this history. So don't get mad. I did read a few things about the history of the Russian Orthodox though.
Clay Honestly I know that whenever the Catholics want to attack the Orthos they bring up Russia. I havent read a lot about the history of Russia. I read some. For instance I know of the many many Orthodox martyrs that died for the faith. I know that when threatened by Hitler that they paired up with a corrupt Russian government. I know that at times the top hierarchy was in cohoots with the corrupt government. I know there was corruption at the top levels as they went through communism etc. Ill read up on it . Then I will be able to have an intelligent discussion about it. I need to anyway because of how your peers always use this to attack the Orthodox Church. I wont pretend to be knowledgeable about this issue, but I guarantee you I will be when I am ready for our discussion.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#463806 Jul 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
What??? I blame God? What??!!!??
That's what you said clay...God lets them in...that's blameing HIM.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#463807 Jul 19, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Oh i didnt know the Orthodox claimed infallibility.
You wont stop will you? Vle Ask your thessalonicans about that one.
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/why... ít-convert-to-eastern-orthodox y

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#463808 Jul 19, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Rose,I hope my posts here have helped you to recognize you should not take as the Truth anything they say about Orthodoxy.I dont have the time or the health to continue to correct the ongoing wave of untruths.
It's,fine dear

You should rest ..this,place can get one worked up past the point where

It's,heAlthy to be .

I find much in your faith which is,after all much more important than any building we worship in.

I also am seeing how your folks,were,also around at the beginning

I honestly think and believe the Reformation was needed for GOD s,plan

Not ours.

But I also feel all of us of all Christian FAITH..nit religion ..Will be known to HIM .
Clay

United States

#463809 Jul 19, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Clay honestly there is sin in every Church.I dont care about the Pope. If Catholics believe that the Pope is truly Biblical I dont have a problem with that. ts just not my belief. Since coming to Topix I have seen the Catholics post a Catholic version of Orthodoxy they get from Catholic sites. I have seen them ignore the Truth when presented. I have seen them turn mean and nasty and try to hurt people. So have no use for the Catholics here. And they still continue throwing in a side comment here and there about Orthodoxy. As long as they do this there is not one here that I respect or trust.And if I take them as representative of the Catholic Church, then the Catholic Church is my enemy because these Catholics are the enemy of the Orthodox Church here. The catholic church does not want me as an enemy.
For me, Orthodoxy is difficult to understand. I get the Mass and Sacraments of course. But I don't understand the setup of the Churches. The Ukrainian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox....I don't understand the political side of it I guess. But I've always had respect for the beauty of the Mass. And Sera mentioned last week that Confession in the Orthodox Church is done with the Priest and the person facing the alter together. I think that's awesome. I'm willing to understand as much as possible. I personally could never leave my faith, but that doesn't mean I'm curious about others.

Since: Sep 09

Fort Saint James, Canada

#463810 Jul 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Guilt is probably the heaviest load that a human being can feel.
If children were taught that they were born "good" instead of "sinners" they wouldn't have guilt for simply being human.

The warped religion is the cause of the guilt.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#463811 Jul 19, 2013
This is a lie:

Adamís sin is transmitted to his posterity, not by imitation, but by descent.

Here is what God said:
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

God said not one word about Adam's posterity...not one.

Since: Sep 09

Fort Saint James, Canada

#463812 Jul 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Why aren't you putting these people to death as your god commands and expects of your behavior?

Did he call you to service a different note on your trumpet???

:)
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.(Leviticus 20:9)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die.(Leviticus 20:10).

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death.(Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death.(Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed.(Leviticus 20:15-16).

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death.(Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake.(Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18)

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community.(Leviticus 24:14-16)

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