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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 692022 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#464070 Jul 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Who taught you how to take scripture that warns against sin and unbelief and apply it to the Catholic Church? The Holy Spirit? rotflol. The men who were taught by the apostles say it refers to heretics like you.
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I DARE YOU TO TAKE THE SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE GIVEN ON THIS FORUM TODAY

AND SYSTEMATICALLY PROVE I AM WRONG...

i SAY i DARE YOU...BECAUSE i believe WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO PROVE ME WRONG....

YOU WILL GET A REVELATION OF YOUR OWN ERROR...AND CONCLUDE THAT

WE SHOULD let the word of God be true and every man a liar...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464071 Jul 20, 2013
socci wrote:
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Denying Jesus is who he said is .. not very kind. It is to teach a lie.
I believe that no character named Jesus ever existed, so from my perspective I am not being unkind. I am being honest to my "concept" of truth.

You only value that myth because you are certain that having faith in it it will reward you with salvation ... not because it makes sense, as it doesn't make sense.

I believed as a child that a god of love would not send a savior to earth that would only save those who USED the title of Christian.

Ridiculous blather.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#464072 Jul 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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its unfortunate the Apostles decided not to explain their writings. The world had to wait 1900 yrs for the born again movement to teach that sola fide is what Christ realty willed.
lol.
Actually, its not funny that you created a false sense of spiritual security in this country and abroad.
Christ says, "He who endures til the end shall be saved"
Old Gee says, "Nope, I'm saved no matter what"
When asked to share your testimony on your salvation, this was your reply:I danced around the while the rock band was jamming some Christian toon. Then I walked up and did an alter call.

You know as much about salvation as you do brain surgery!!!!! Which tells me unless something changes in your spiritual life, you will not be with the sheep for eternity!!!!!

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#464073 Jul 20, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
"I don't accept"..."I check out all"..."I read what the apostles said"..."I HEAR what Jesus..." and of course YOU decide if it agrees with the word or not. You've just made yourself infallible and more powerful than any pope in history.
Tell us Kay why you think you can sit down with a bible and decide one verse means something, but a man who was taught by the apostles had the wrong opinion when he read the same verse?

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I can sit down with a Bible, and ask the Holy Spirit to help me understand what I read...and He does. I can do that, because I gave myself to Him when He invited me to do so.

"The natural (carnal) man does not receive the things of the Spirit, nor can he, for they are spiritually discerned."

Of course there are different opinions...in the CC as well as in Protestant churches. This occurs because many do not know HIM. They will do better as they learn the Word.

As there is a spiritual battle (between good and evil), there are those who are demonically influenced, and they work to confuse. There ARE different opinions...some just don't know the truth, but some work to oppose the truth.

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464074 Jul 20, 2013
socci wrote:
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Your religion is.
I no longer am stuck in the bondage of any religion ... period. I believe I am mortal and such as it is that all of me is here on earth.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#464075 Jul 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Scripture is made useless when people install their own ideas on what the Apostles wrote about.
The Apostles did not teach sola fide, Martin Luther did. Therefore those verses that OldJg quoted may as well have not been written if folks are going to interpret the exact opposite teaching from it.
That's why I'm Catholic, Rose. We go with the Word of God, orally communicated to the people, and sometimes documented by the Disciples of the Apostles.
You are a typical Catholic bag of wind...that is why you are not answering me.....

Tell us the word of God that was given orally.

Tell us who He give it to...give us the names of all who were/are involved in making this known to you....from the first person God gave it to....down to yourself...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464076 Jul 20, 2013
socci wrote:
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It probably worked like this - your daddy was freemason. rosicrucians are often just masons - both founded by Templars. Your beloved mother although im sure was a kind and loving woman was likely eastern star mason. they often claim to be christian, especially lutheran when the husband is rosicrucian (cross & rose) as the rosicrucians erroneously claim Luther was rosicrucians.
Rosicrucians were alligned with the papal knights and Jesuits, not the Protestants. The Rosicrucians were the infiltrators into the church to lead it back to Rome for their Jesuit masters, as Jesuits rarely do such a thing themselves.
Billy Graham and Pat Robertson are known Freemasons who may also be Rosicrucian and Knights of Malta.
www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/700_club.htm
www.reformation.org/pat-robertson.html
Anyway, there's no truth in any of the papal secret societies. It is Gnosticism.
All religion is bunk. Yours is nothing special except to you and those who agree with you.

You don't want to see that you have been shafted by theological masters of deception.

When I recognized that I had been shafted by their cunning manipulations with words, I opted OUT from under the blanket of deception that had been put upon me.

You can do the same ... but you won't if you keep believing that you are special to a god.

You can't have it both ways.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#464077 Jul 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"
OldJG wrote:
Many people struggle with uncertainty about their salvation. If you are facing this struggle, here are some questions you can ask yourself to help you be certain about your relationship to God.
Have you believed in Jesus Christ as the substitute for your sins and received him as your personal Savior?
The Bible says that this is the only requirement for salvation.
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God (John 1:12).
Are you trusting feelings, rather than God's Word, for assurance of salvation?
The Bible says:
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him (John 3:36).
I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned, he has crossed over from death to life (John 5:24).
Are you basing your salvation on what you do for God, instead of what God has done for you?
The Bible says that we can do nothing to earn our salvation. God, because of His grace, did all that needs to be done.
He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy (Titus 3:5a).
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).
We can be encouraged that we do have eternal life because God says so, because changes have taken place in our lives, because we want to share Christ with others, and because we desire to live lives that would be pleasing to God.
We know that we have eternal life because God says we do. God's Word tells us that we have eternal life if we have received Christ as our Savior.
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life (1 John 5:13).
We know that we have eternal life because changes have taken place in our lives since we became a Christian.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!(2 Corinthians 5:17).
These may be small changes. At first, they may not even be noticeable to others. But this verse tells us that positionally, we become a new person when we accept Christ and changes in our life are inevitable.
We know that we have eternal life because we want to share Christ with others.
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile (Romans 1:16).
We know that we have eternal life because we want to live godly lives.
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in the present age…(Titus 2:11-12).
http://christiananswers.net/home.html
Great post ..Thanks
hojo: YES!!! Great post-------for those who "don't know or refuse to know, accept and follow the TRUTH of the TRUE interpretation of the Bible!!!
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Please read that post carefully. You have a adopted a group that leaves your salvation in doubt. Read what the Word says about it.
KayMarie
Thanks KayMarie, but I have read it! No matter how many times we, as Catholics, tell you bible only believers, it just seems to go in "one ear and out the other" that the Catholic Church DOES NOT believe or teach in "works only" regarding Salvation...OLDJG conveniently "avoids" the book of James regarding "faith without works is dead, works without faith is dead, which is precisely what we believe........ OldJG said that "people struggle with uncertainty about their Salvation---(as they should). As Paul says in Phil 2:12 that we are to "work out our Salvation with trembling and fear"!! NOWHERE does he ever tell us that Salvation is "once saved always saved"!
Have a good weekend KayMarie and God Bless!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464078 Jul 20, 2013
socci wrote:
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If the catholic converts to atheism this is certainly not an improvement.
If all people leave religion, they will tear down the walls built by the cunning theologians.

The theologians will lose all their power that they held over the minds of other humans.

I'll repeat the sentiments of my earlier post.

If a god exists and is of the nature of love, none of us need to worry.

And if the god exists and is NOT of the nature of love ... worry will do no good, as the god (on a whim) could send ALL followers to eternal damnation and laugh and laugh at the gullibility of those who fell for the promise of salvation.

Religion is BUNK!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464079 Jul 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
I DARE YOU TO TAKE THE SCRIPTURES THAT I HAVE GIVEN ON THIS FORUM TODAY
AND SYSTEMATICALLY PROVE I AM WRONG...
i SAY i DARE YOU...BECAUSE i believe WHEN YOU ATTEMPT TO PROVE ME WRONG....
YOU WILL GET A REVELATION OF YOUR OWN ERROR...AND CONCLUDE THAT
WE SHOULD let the word of God be true and every man a liar...
We should let the word of God be true, and we should let any man like you who accuses without proof and mangles scripture to be known as a liar. And I know you to be a liar.

#1 - Not one of the verses you posted makes a single reference to the Church of Rome.

#2 - Every protestant group since the reformation has had members who are guilty of each of the sins and unfaithfulness you accuse EACH AND EVERY Catholic of.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#464080 Jul 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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No, you will take your own vain and prideful OPINIONS of the meaning of scripture OVER the testimony of the men who were taught by the apostles. It requires humility to accept the fact that you aren't the final arbiter of God's Word, that others, especially those who were actually there know better than you. You lack this Christian attribute. You should pray for God's mercy and repent.
If my conclusions are not given from the word of God...you have had the option of taking the word of God an proving me wrong over a period of several years...

To date all you have done is call me a liar..

YOU ARE-- evidently afraid that if you do attempt to prove me in error...

You will have to acknowledge that I have posted the truth...

IF YOU ARE TO LAZY TO PROVE ME WRONG,

THEN BE HONEST AND SAY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW...

BECAUSE IT IS QUITE EVIDENT THAT YOU ARE GROSSLY IGNORANT OF GOD'S

ETERNAL PLAN OF REDEMPTION...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464081 Jul 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
I can sit down with a Bible, and ask the Holy Spirit to help me understand what I read...and He does.
Your arrogance has allowed you to imagine that is true.

As the priest said to the young lad who really didn't want to become a priest but was pressured by his Catholic parents to go in that direction ...(paraphrasing)... "Don't necessarily believe that God is calling you, as it might just be the rector's breathing that you hear."
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464082 Jul 20, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks KayMarie, but I have read it! No matter how many times we, as Catholics, tell you bible only believers, it just seems to go in "one ear and out the other"
Right-fighting in religion will never end unless you choose to end it by admitting three words concerning the telling of the your concept of truth ... "I don't know!"

"I don't know if there is a god, or if the god loves me ... but I will trust that if I do my best to be kind that if there is a god, the god will read my heart and my actions ... NOT my preachy words."
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464083 Jul 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
If my conclusions are not given from the word of God...you have had the option of taking the word of God an proving me wrong over a period of several years...
But when you believe that a god supports every word that you utter, you won't pay heed to what any other person on earth suggest to you.

That is what the wall of arrogance has built in your mind ... because you have not only allowed it to BE built ... you have built it your self.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464084 Jul 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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We should let the word of God be true,
There is a reason in bible study groups that several people take completely different meanings from the words. They put into the words what they believe the words mean to them.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

The Use and Misuse of Language … edited by S. I. Hayakawa.

General semanticists know it is hard to make the average person realize that he brings meaning to the word, that the word does not contain any meaning.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#464085 Jul 20, 2013
who="hojo"
Thanks KayMarie, but I have read it! No matter how many times we, as Catholics, tell you bible only believers, it just seems to go in "one ear and out the other" that the Catholic Church DOES NOT believe or teach in "works only" regarding Salvation...OLDJG conveniently "avoids" the book of James regarding "faith without works is dead, works without faith is dead, which is precisely what we believe........ OldJG said that "people struggle with uncertainty about their Salvation---(as they should). As Paul says in Phil 2:12 that we are to "work out our Salvation with trembling and fear"!! NOWHERE does he ever tell us that Salvation is "once saved always saved"!
Have a good weekend KayMarie and God Bless!![
**********

hojo...I do not teach 'once saved, always saved'. I DO believe that, if I remain faithful to Him, I WILL NOT BE LOST. The OSAS teach that one can sin, but still go in the rapture (not so). We can be forgiven and turn from sin, though, and He will cleanse us.

Paul said to 'work out your Salvation with fear and trembling', but that refers to remaining faithful to Him in all that we say and do. We are to 'fight the good fight of faith'.

To understanding...
KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464086 Jul 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Anthony MN"
"I don't accept"..."I check out all"..."I read what the apostles said"..."I HEAR what Jesus..." and of course YOU decide if it agrees with the word or not. You've just made yourself infallible and more powerful than any pope in history.
Tell us Kay why you think you can sit down with a bible and decide one verse means something, but a man who was taught by the apostles had the wrong opinion when he read the same verse?
**********
I can sit down with a Bible, and ask the Holy Spirit to help me understand what I read...and He does. I can do that, because I gave myself to Him when He invited me to do so.
"The natural (carnal) man does not receive the things of the Spirit, nor can he, for they are spiritually discerned."
Of course there are different opinions...in the CC as well as in Protestant churches. This occurs because many do not know HIM. They will do better as they learn the Word.
As there is a spiritual battle (between good and evil), there are those who are demonically influenced, and they work to confuse. There ARE different opinions...some just don't know the truth, but some work to oppose the truth.
KayMarie
"I can sit down with a bible"..."what I read...and He does"..."I can do that, because..." ...."some don't know the truth" BUT I DO!

Your problem which you refuse to address is the fact that many others do the exact same thing you do, make the same Holy Spirit claim you do, say they gave themselves to Him, etc. There is absolutely no way for you to refute their claim.

The only reliable solution is to recognize what the Church fathers said when confronted with people who try to use scripture against the Church:

"But beyond these [Scriptural] sayings, let us look at the very tradition, teaching and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, the Apostles preached, and the Fathers kept." Athanasius, Four Letters to Serapion of Thmuis, 1:28 (A.D. 360).

"For those are slothful who, having it in their power to provide themselves with proper proofs for the divine Scriptures from the Scriptures themselves, select only what contributes to their own pleasures. And those have a craving for glory who voluntarily evade, by arguments of a diverse sort, the things delivered by the blessed apostles and teachers, which are wedded to inspired words; opposing the divine tradition by human teachings, in order to establish the heresy." Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, 7:16 (post A.D. 202).

"When heretics show us the canonical Scriptures, in which every Christian believes and trusts, they seem to be saying:'Lo, he is in the inner rooms [the word of truth]'(Matt 24.6). But we must not believe them, nor leave the original tradition of the Church, nor believe otherwise than we have been taught by the succession in the Church of God." Origen, Homilies on Matthew, Homily 46, PG 13:1667 (ante A.D. 254).
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#464087 Jul 20, 2013
To be honest with my self I had to first admit that I am not a teller of truth, as I don't even know if truth is absolute, or if life is simply an illusion. I am not even able to tell whether early humans were created by some omniscient presence or came whether humans as did other creatures evolved from life in the ocean, or whether there is some other explanation.

I simply don't know. But because I have trust that it will all unfold in its own due time, if I try to be kind, I can no better than my best.

I don't need religious dogmas messing around in my brain. I cleared all the debris, and from that clutter, I am free.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#464088 Jul 20, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
If my conclusions are not given from the word of God...you have had the option of taking the word of God an proving me wrong over a period of several years...
To date all you have done is call me a liar..
YOU ARE-- evidently afraid that if you do attempt to prove me in error...
You will have to acknowledge that I have posted the truth...
IF YOU ARE TO LAZY TO PROVE ME WRONG,
THEN BE HONEST AND SAY THAT YOU DON'T KNOW...
BECAUSE IT IS QUITE EVIDENT THAT YOU ARE GROSSLY IGNORANT OF GOD'S
ETERNAL PLAN OF REDEMPTION...
I call you a liar because you are a liar. Your incessant accusations have never been proven. You are completely ignorant of Catholic doctrine, and you do nothing but make accusations which are demonstrably false and are proven to be false on a regular basis. Every time you post a falsehood about Catholic teaching and I or another Catholic respond with a direct quote from the Catechism, you scream that you don't have to acknowledge it. You are a bald-faced liar and a bearer of false witness.
socci

Osceola, MO

#464089 Jul 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
The Vatican stole his history? Is there anything you guys will not touch when it comes to conspiracy crap?
You just stole Saint Patricks history by claiming he was Irish and now Scottish. He was neither.
You know, I just drove by the East Side SDA building (St. Paul, MN) and my heart goes out to those people gathered outside. That cult has got em trapped. You're proof of what that stuff does to someones intellect. No amount of evidence; science, reason, logic, video, anything will get you guys to admit error. You will march forward preaching a conspiracy Christianity and falsely accusing the Catholic Church. Its truly heartbreaking Soc.

The facts are not on your side. The one with no facts is in the 'cult'- You!

Patrick was never Catholic, and according to all the evidence as shown in the film, he observed the 7th-day Sabbath, as did all Nazarene Christians.

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