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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 692057 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#462973 Jul 17, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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New Age Spiritual Leader:
Osmosis? One becomes the environment in which they dwell?
I am not to sure that this is an "absolute". Most people choose to change the environment for their comfort....
Dave Nelson? Ricky's brother? Ozzie and Harriet?
Nevermind - it has nothing to do with osmosis, but how one lives their life.

As for Dave Nelson - he'll know who "he" is, if he reads that post.

No concern of yours.....*smiles*.....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#462974 Jul 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Well, Jesus said the Eucharist is eating His body and drinking His blood. He said His flesh is real food, His blood real drink. So your idea of the "true" Eucharist isn't the same as Jesus's.
Sanguinarians describe themselves as human beings with a compulsion, or need, to consume blood for reasons other than erotic (see Blood Fetishists) or emotional satisfaction. Sanguinarians define their condition as an objective, if unrecognized, medical syndrome, entirely biological in nature. They are hostile toward "spiritual" explanations for their blood craving, and don't believe that it has anything to do with "energy." Most Sanguinarians crave human blood exclusively, and many of them have arranged for human "donors" who voluntarily supply them with fresh blood. Some Sanguinarians describe a life-long fascination with blood and blood-drinking, while others experienced an abrupt awakening of blood-craving which they may or may not be able to trace to a certain event.

Since the late 1990s, the Sanguinarian community has become much more dogmatic in their self-definition. Many define themselves as the only "real vampires," and further insist that a person is a "real" Sanguinarian (and by extension, a "real" vampire) only if he or she suffers actual physical illness without regular blood intake. Many Sanguinarians now report a family history of Sanguinarian symptoms, which ten years ago was reported only rarely, and suggest a genetic basis for the condition. Symptoms of blood deprivation, according to Sanguinarians, include extreme fatigue, autoimmune deficiencies, headaches, frequent illness, muscle and joint pain, emotional distress, uncontrollable rages, and other problems that cannot be traced to any known disease. Some Sanguinarians report that they suffered for years with such symptoms, baffling conventional medical professionals, and achieved almost instant relief when they began drinking blood.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462975 Jul 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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You're veering off course Tony. We aren't talking about past, present, future of sins...nice try Spin Brother. We are talking about Satan's doctrine of purgatory. thanks
and I guess if catholics thought Christ's sacrifice was enough to cover our sins, then your church would not believe in purgatory now would they.
Christ doesn't "cover" our sins, He redeemed us from "death by sin".

You said we don't believe Christ's sacrifice was enough, which is false, but you can't explain what "enough" is. I'm afraid if you're not able to explain what "enough" is, you really can't have a valid criticism of purgatory. Thanks.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#462976 Jul 17, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Never answered by you or Sera. Is Metropolitan Phillip wrong?
Post that link again.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#462977 Jul 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

The Pope is not infallible.
This would have flagged the article as incorrect and inaccurate.
But you continued to post it.
Hmmmm....why do you think the Pope is infallible?
<quoted text>
Ah yes, the ol' tactic of repeating what the poster said, not supplying a response, but instead diverting and asking another question that has no relevance to the discussion.
I'll state my post to you again, and ask my question again.
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The Pope is not infallible.
This would have flagged the article as incorrect and inaccurate.
But you continued to post it.
Hmmmm....why do you think the Pope is infallible?
Honesty Anthony, that is all I am looking for, and you couldn't even apply it to such a simple question.
*sighs*
Anthony MN wrote:
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Because I believe Jesus when He commissioned St. Peter. Because I believe Jesus when He founded the Church. Because I believe Jesus when He said He would be with us til the end of the age. Understand these things He said and you will understand why I believe the pope cannot teach error.
Your turn. You say the pope is not infallible. Is that an infallible statement? Or might it be just your opinion?
....and no where in this post did you claim that the Pope is infallible.

You sure liked to skate around the topic and admit is he or isn't, but never actually saying it.

Do you think the Pope is infallible?

C'mon Anthony, I'm quite honest and direct with you, you can be the same with me.

It is still your turn.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#462978 Jul 17, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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June:
My preference is unimportant.
I agree! You are a man who won't get pregnant, so you have no business telling women that abortion clinics are more dangerous than coat-hangers, poisons taken internally and Lysol applied up the vaginas of women by Aunt Suzie and company.

You are a fool!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#462979 Jul 17, 2013
Pope Francis - if you are reading this.....

Will you please be honest and answer this question for the forum?

Do you think of yourself as being infallible?

Thanks!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462980 Jul 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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What does "bowing before a statue of Mary in worship" mean?????
Pope John Paul II and Marian Worship...
POPE PRAYER TO MARY.
Pope John Paul bowing before a statue of Mary in worship.(See below right pic as well)
On May 7 Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John--"Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).
John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION"
I bow to my German friends. I'm not worshipping them, I'm showing respect for them.

You keep posting the lie. Still an expert liar aren't you?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#462981 Jul 17, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
The Word of God (Jesus) said the bread is His body, the wine His blood and that we must eat it to have eternal life. The written Word says the same thing. Neither Jesus nor the bible say it is just a symbol.
Now who's really ignoring the bible?
**********

1Co 10:4 And did ALL drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

(Did they drink blood?)

1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

(Though they drank of Christ they remained followers of evil and were overthrown in the wilderness.)

1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

1Co 10:13 There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

1Co 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, FLEE FROM IDOLATRY (murmuring, tempting Christ, fornication).

1Co 10:15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the COMMUNION of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the COMMUNION of the body of Christ?

(Communion...Greek...partnersh ip, fellowship, association. The 'communion of the blood and body of Christ is to become 'associated' with Him; no longer murmurers, Christ tempters or fornicators. If your 'communion' or Eucharist has not made you 'associated with Him in holiness, you are yet as the 'sinners' in the wilderness who drank of that Rock, Christ Jesus, but remained in their sins.)(This forum reveals a lot, doesn't it?)

1Co 10:17 For WE being many ARE ONE BREAD AND ONE BODY: for WE ARE ALL PARTAKERS OF THAT ONE BREAD.

(Most of us claim to be 'Christian'...are WE ONE BREAD...ONE BODY?)

KayMarie
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462982 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>Post that link again.
Metropolitan Philip declared:

"Our canons clearly state that we cannot have more than one bishop over the same territory, and one metropolitan over the same metropolis. I regret to tell you that we Orthodox are violating this important ecclesiological principle in North America, South America, Europe and Australia. In New York, for example, we have more than ten Orthodox bishops over the same city and the same territory. I can say the same thing about other cities and territories in North America... The same thing has happened in Paris, France. There are six co-existing Orthodox bishops with overlapping ecclesiological jurisdictions. In my opinion and in the opinion of Orthodox canonists, this is ecclesiological ethno-phyletism. This is heretical. How can we condemn ethno-phyletism as a heresy in 1872 and still practice the same thing in the twenty-first century in North America ?"

Metropolitan Philip further observed that:

"Ironically enough, when ethnic ecclesiology began to flourish and prosper in the nineteenth century, it was the Pan-Orthodox Synod of Constantinople itself that condemned ecclesiological ethno-phyletism as a heresy in 1872."

http://credo.stormloader.com/Ecumenic/philioc...
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#462983 Jul 17, 2013
Tony17 wrote:
What does Colossians (sp) 2:16 mean to you when it comes to judging people for not observing the Sabbath?
Ceremonial Sabbaths. Meat and drink offerings etc.
See... http://www.colossians-2-16.com/
That would explain it if you are interested.

Colossians 2:16 reads “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink [offerings], or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:”

And so the belief of some is the fourth Commandment was deleted from stone.

What was actually done away with here was the ordinances (ceremonial law). This is clearly seen by noting what Paul said two verses earlier.

Colossians 2:14 reads,“blotting out the handwriting (has to be Moses handwriting) of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.”
Paul then goes on to say, so “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:“

The Sabbath was never in “handwriting” nor was it contrary to us as most of the Mosaic Law was.

Note that it says Sabbath Days (plural). High Sabbaths.
Chuck

Dublin, OH

#462984 Jul 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Bottom line is, you believe those who have abortions are murderers ... period.
I don't believe that there IS a god in existence to punish OR forgive.
And I don't believe that women who have abortions are murderers of anything but cells that would if allowed to grow into babies would be human beings.
I suggest you think about all those fetuses becoming Muslims rather than Christians and that will give you a fresh input into the value of the fetus.
Silly Christian.
I would suggest you come to the saving faith in Jesus Christ. Given you age, who knows how long you got.

Silly atheist

Google - Doctor telling Congress about abortion and then tell me if it justs cells.

I feel sorry for you Grams.
Human Being

Chatham, LA

#462985 Jul 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
When Robert F was an Atheist he didn't believe that souls would go to hell for eternity for not believing in one religion or another, because he didn't believe in the existence of any hells, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhism, et cetera.
Now he is back under the spell of Catholicism, and the fact that he believes in the existence of his own specialized Christian hell, means he now AGAIN believes that people of all other religions WILL spend eternity in Christian hell for not being Catholic.
Isn't that RIGHT Robert F???
And he is PROUD of sliding back into his Catholic religion.
June:

You are oversimplifying, disconnecting, and misrepresenting my beliefs.

Somehow you believe your beliefs can change, reflecting your understanding, but that others are not allowed the same....Why?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462986 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
OK I got one Catholic here that lied about what I said and I posted the Truth v the lie. The other Catholic poster posts the first lying one and says he found a Patriarch that says something different than him. This is after taking time to answer maybe 6 "questions" about the same issue.
So is this the Catholic Church??? Lying? So Prideful they have to be right? Discarding facts to look for info that agrees with them?
Well this is what I see here.
No pride on my part Nick. I think you and Sera have many times suggested you're not offended by criticism of your Church, in fact Sera has told me to bring it on, but the minute I do you start questioning my sincerity and accuse me of being prideful. I don't think you're being reasonable.
Human Being

Chatham, LA

#462987 Jul 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
All preachers of all religions believe a creator chose them to preach truth, and they tell each other in no uncertain terms who is going to hell and who the creator is going to save.
And they don't perceive that in so-doing they suffer from vain-glories.
Religion is a shameful practice ... or at least it should be a shameful practice.
June:

You should say, "Some preachers in some religions..., some suffer from vainglory...."

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#462988 Jul 17, 2013
Are WE one body? Answer:

Murmurers, complainers, disputers, haters, prideful Christ tempters...

Repent lest you be 'destroyed in the wilderness'.

We are not yet in the Promised Land, and might have to spend forty years wandering around in THIS wilderness of sin.

KayMarie

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#462989 Jul 17, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
OK I got one Catholic here that lied about what I said and I posted the Truth v the lie. The other Catholic poster posts the first lying one and says he found a Patriarch that says something different than him. This is after taking time to answer maybe 6 "questions" about the same issue.
So is this the Catholic Church??? Lying? So Prideful they have to be right? Discarding facts to look for info that agrees with them?
Well this is what I see here.
Herme - its been going on like this for centuries/millenia.

Let's see if they understand the many "deadly sins" they continue to render themselves too:

a. Greed - money seems to be a major catalyst to cover up their crimes
b. Pride - always thinking they are "the true church"
c. Wrath - one may feel this if one has denigrated the organization.
d. Lust - we all know that this has been part of the organizational priests
e. Envy - yep - the RCC can't stand when others have proven them wrong in many ways.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462990 Jul 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
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Church
Catechism (CCC)-“all who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified; (they) are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of Heaven”(# 1030).
**ROTFLOL...DO WHAT!!??
1 Cor. 3:10-15 - works are judged after death and tested by fire. Some works are lost, but the person is still saved. Paul is referring to the state of purgation called purgatory. The venial sins (bad works) that were committed are burned up after death, but the person is still brought to salvation. This state after death cannot be heaven (no one with venial sins is present) or hell (there is no forgiveness and salvation).

1 Cor. 3:15 –“if any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” The phrase for "suffer loss" in the Greek is "zemiothesetai." The root word is "zemioo" which also refers to punishment. The construction “zemiothesetai” is used in Ex. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew “anash” meaning “punish” or “penalty”). Hence, this verse proves that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This cannot mean heaven (there is no punishment in heaven) and this cannot mean hell (the possibility of expiation no longer exists and the person is not saved).

1 Cor. 3:15 – further, Paul writes “he himself will be saved, "but only" (or “yet so”) as through fire.”“He will be saved” in the Greek is “sothesetai”(which means eternal salvation). The phrase "but only" (or “yet so”) in the Greek is "houtos" which means "in the same manner." This means that man is both eternally rewarded and eternally saved in the same manner by fire.

1 Cor. 3:13 - when Paul writes about God revealing the quality of each man's work by fire and purifying him, this purification relates to his sins (not just his good works). Protestants, in attempting to disprove the reality of purgatory, argue that Paul was only writing about rewarding good works, and not punishing sins (because punishing and purifying a man from sins would be admitting that there is a purgatory).

1 Cor. 3:17 - but this verse proves that the purgation after death deals with punishing sin. That is, destroying God's temple is a bad work, which is a mortal sin, which leads to death. 1 Cor. 3:14,15,17 - purgatory thus reveals the state of righteousness (v.14), state of venial sin (v.15) and the state of mortal sin (v.17), all of which are judged after death.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#462991 Jul 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The Pope is not infallible.
This would have flagged the article as incorrect and inaccurate.
But you continued to post it.
Hmmmm....why do you think the Pope is infallible?
<quoted text>
Ah yes, the ol' tactic of repeating what the poster said, not supplying a response, but instead diverting and asking another question that has no relevance to the discussion.
I'll state my post to you again, and ask my question again.
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
The Pope is not infallible.
This would have flagged the article as incorrect and inaccurate.
But you continued to post it.
Hmmmm....why do you think the Pope is infallible?
Honesty Anthony, that is all I am looking for, and you couldn't even apply it to such a simple question.
*sighs*
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....and no where in this post did you claim that the Pope is infallible.
You sure liked to skate around the topic and admit is he or isn't, but never actually saying it.
Do you think the Pope is infallible?
C'mon Anthony, I'm quite honest and direct with you, you can be the same with me.
It is still your turn.
Infallible means incapable of teaching error. Yes, he's incapable of teaching error.

Your turn. Is your statement that the pope is not infallible an infallible statement?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#462992 Jul 17, 2013
Chuck wrote:
Purgatory proclaimed a dogma by Council of Florence "If they have died repentant for their sins and having love of God, but have not made satisfaction for things they have done or omitted by fruits worthy of penance, then their souls, after death, are cleansed by the punishment of Purgatory; also ... the suffrages of the faithful still living are efficacious in bringing them relief from such punishment, namely the Sacrifice of the Mass, prayers and almsgiving and other works of piety which, in accordance with the designation of the Church, are customarily offered by the faithful for each other." Council of Florence (1438-1443)
*Notice: faithful still living are efficacious in bringing them relief from such punishment.
-so sinners here can pray for relief of punishment but the sacrifice of Jesus Christ cannot keep a person out of purgatory.
-if this isn't a doctrine from Satan himself, I'll buy you a watch.
"It is there fore a Holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from their sins"
Maccabees 12:46

"Every mans work shall be manifest, for the day of the Lord shall declare it, because it shall be revealed in fire (purgatory); and the fire shall test what sort of work each man has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any mans word is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only through fire"
1Cor 3:13-15

"Nothing unclean shall enter (Heaven)"
Revelation 21:27

"If a man departs this Earth with lighter faults, he is condemned to fire which burns away the lighter faults, and prepares the soul for the Kingdom of God, where nothing unclean shall enter"

Early Church Father, Origen 220 AD

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