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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 685621 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#462693 Jul 16, 2013
coran expert wrote:
<quoted text> No that means that thiry two camels shit on their face for eternity.
EEEEWWW!! And you've seen this occur?

It was a witty comeback though.....*winks*....

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#462694 Jul 16, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
If a person is not in a state of CONSTANTLY reassessing/re-evaluating their own ideas, then they aren't being true to themselves. They get stuck merely reinforcing their own perceptions....Hmmm. Much the same way you do? Think about it?
Don't worry, we all share this part of our human nature. Some people just think more quickly than others. As for me, I am slow.
Self. Thanks for promoting it!

You should.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#462695 Jul 16, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
BLESSINGS TO YOU FOR ABSTAINING FROM ALCOHOL.
HAVING TAUGHT IN A DRUG AND ALCOHOL REHAB...
I CAN TRUTHFULLY SAY... FROM MY OBSERVATION
OF THE RESULTS OF IT THERE..
Pro_20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
I HAVE NEVER IN MY 79 YEARS (KNOWINGLY) DRANK ANY ALCOHOL OF ANY KIND.

Are you saying it is wrong to drink wine???
Human Being

Elton, LA

#462696 Jul 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say this.
The Bible should be free. Why pay for "God's word", if it truly was "God's word".
Did "God" charge Moses? Throughout history, did "God" charge anyone to receive "His word"?
- no "He" didn't. Only men have.
New Age Spiritual Leader:

It is more like God makes himself available, and men use and abuse His availability, to which you complain....This has been done thought history, and I don't think it will change anytime soon.

Its okay though because God is very patient and forgiving....
Human Being

Elton, LA

#462697 Jul 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
BTW HB - as for the Nag Hammadi Library, these were purchased by Natl Geographic because they wanted to preserve them and give them to the world - at no charge to you, me, or anyone.
Your theory just went by the wayside.
New Age Spiritual Leader:

Lol....And you don't think National Geographic had some ulterior motive?

Rather naïve of you...(smiles)

I get at least once a month a "renew" your subscription pleading from National Geographic. I wonder why, and where they get the money to print up, and send their mail?

I suppose if I gave them some money they would go away? lol
LTM

Terrace Bay, Canada

#462698 Jul 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW!!! No wonder you are so impressed with your self.
That's quite a mouthful! It's almost a sermon within a sermon.
:)
June, you are a very prideful person, do you pat yourself on the back every time you come on here and spew your poison all over this thread.
I have never come across a person so full of negativity then you.
You don't have one positive thought in your head.
You find fault with everything anyone says, I guess whatever rocks your boat.
Did you always belittle people for who and what they were.
Do you many friends June.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#462699 Jul 16, 2013
who="RoSesz"
Those who print and publish bibles.
And those who fashion crosses..rightly deserve to be paid for their service.
The Christian faith has many members,who give and run charities.
But most of us work hard a 'll our lives..pay taxes..And raise our children to be productive members if society.
these attributes are what made ThIS country great.
Not the so called charity of socialism..but.by individuals using their hard earned money and time to help others.
We pay for what we receive..including a bible ...

**********

The difference is that you are REQUIRED to pay taxes, and the politician spends it how he wishes.

God leaves us to our choice...then blesses those who CHOOSE to give of their means.

Pro 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will He pay him again.

2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which sows bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He has dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remains for ever.
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministers seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
2Co 9:11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causes through us thanksgiving to God.
2Co 9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplies the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
2Co 9:13 While by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men...

This nation has enjoyed plenty because of their generous giving to the poor. But today people are grumbling about giving, and if this continues, our 'blessings' will shrink. In fact, the nation is on the verge of bankruptcy now. If the feds weren't printing money so fast, we would feel the pinch already.

God LOVES a cheerful giver...

KayMarie
Human Being

Elton, LA

#462700 Jul 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
To be more pointed.....
Jealousy caused division and hatred.
Although you may claim that people are passionate, it still doesn't justify being jealous of another or anyone.
If one were secure in their beliefs - then jealousy plays no part in their view of other beliefs or others.
For example, I am not jealous that many on this forum think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus, because I've already realized that he wasn't. Although I am disappointed with those individuals, because they consistently lie that they don't think this way.
Throw jealousy out the door and into the street, it really isn't worth your time to acknowledge it.
New Age Spiritual Leader

I wholeheartedly agree with you on this jealousy issue.

But because it is a vice that expresses a sort of rage and anger, it is a difficult demon to slay. It comes back to life if one is not watching, in many different forms.

I suppose it is more recognizable when one has fought the demon within many times. Its head is PRIDE.
Human Being

Elton, LA

#462701 Jul 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Self. Thanks for promoting it!
You should.
New Age Spiritual Leader

Your welcome.

Thanks for allowing me to be slow....I prefer being that way.(smiles)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#462702 Jul 16, 2013
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
I didn't say this.
The Bible should be free. Why pay for "God's word", if it truly was "God's word".
Did "God" charge Moses? Throughout history, did "God" charge anyone to receive "His word"?
- no "He" didn't. Only men have.

**********

Let me suggest that YOU print Bibles and build churches for free. NO ??? Suddenly you realize that it costs someone something.

Perhaps you can get General Motors or Toyota to provide you an automobile for free.

KayMarie
Clay

Garden City, MI

#462703 Jul 16, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>The point is that there are no reliable studies and I stress reliable. Do you realize the difficulty of doing a study of sexual abuse in a Church??? I am not going to specify all the factors that would have to be clarified including such things as ratio of incidence to reporting, access to records, unreported cases, definition of abuse, who are the investigators, who are the reporters, etc etc etc I said it is my belief. I dont have a study. Yours is a belief as well.
if there are no reliable studies, then why are you saying sexual abuse is more so in the CC than the Orthodox?
(btw, there are lots of reliable studies)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#462704 Jul 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Sera said
"Get your facts straight Clay... you won't find sexual abuse plastered on the news on tv from the Orthodox church plus a cover up to boot as yes see from your church"
Ok, my interpretation of your above statement says that you believe its a Catholic thing; its a Catholic issue; the problem is within the Catholic Church and not the Orthodox Church because we are on tv more.
Since there are no facts to support the problem being a Catholic issue more so than an Orthodox issue, I felt you were purposely letting a little slander in to go along with your other rants about the CC.
BishopAccountability.org , an "online archive established by lay Catholics," reports that over 3,000 "civil lawsuits have been filed against the church" in the United States, some of these cases have resulted in multi-million dollar settlements with many claimants.

The Roman Catholic Diocese of Dallas paid $30.9 million in 1998 to twelve victims of one priest ($43.5 million in present-day terms). In July 2003 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville paid $25.7 million to "settle child sexual-abuse allegations made in 240 lawsuits naming 34 priests and other church workers." In 2003, the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston settled a large case for $85 million with 552 alleged victims.

In 2004, the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange settled nearly 90 cases for $100 million. In April 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon agreed to a $75 million settlement with 177 claimants and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Seattle agreed to a $48 million settlement with more than 160 victims. In July 2007 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles reached a $660 million agreement with more than 500 alleged victims, in December 2006, the archdiocese had a settlement of 45 lawsuits for $60 million. In September 2007, the Roman Catholic Diocese of San Diego reached a $198.1 million "agreement with 144 childhood sexual abuse victims."

In July 2008 the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver agreed "to pay $5.5 million to settle 18 claims of childhood sexual abuse." The Associated Press estimated the total from settlements of sex abuse cases from 1950–2007 to be more than $2 billion. BishopAccountability reports that figure reached more than $3 billion in 2012.[13][23] Addressing "a flood of abuse claims" five dioceses (Tucson, Arizona; Spokane, Washington; Portland, Oregon.; Davenport, Iowa, and San Diego) got bankruptcy protection. Eight Catholic dioceses have declared bankruptcy due to sex abuse cases from 2004–2011.The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950.

As it became clear that there was truth to many of the allegations and that there was a pattern of cover-ups in a number of large dioceses across the United States, the issue exploded into a nationwide scandal, creating a crisis for the Catholic Church in the United States. Allegations in the United States also encouraged victims in other nations to come forward, rapidly creating a global crisis for the Church. Over many decades, priests and lay members of religious orders in the Roman Catholic Church had sexually abused children on a scale such that the accusations reached into the thousands. A major aggravating factor was the actions of Catholic bishops to keep these crimes secret and to reassign the accused to other parishes in positions where they had continued unsupervised contact with youth.

Lets see your info so we can, as you say, compare the data....

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#462705 Jul 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
I understand. You don't mind people profitting off of Jesus and "God".
You rightfully deserve to be part of Christianity.
<quoted text>
I said I understand. But you still didn't answer the question. All you did was give reasons of such acts.
I'll ask once more....
You don't mind people profitting off of Jesus and "God", right?
A simple "yes" or "no" will be sufficient, as I already know the many reasons why people produce such icons and relics - as they do it for the money.
It costs money to publish and print bibles..many Don a 're some to the poor ..overseas..or people buy them to offset the cost of printing and publishing. The book..And sine who but them make them available fir free in Churches or in missions ...

The bible is all over..someone has to pay fir the actual book ...YES.

SO F A R we still live in a buy and sell world ..though it seems fir some reason you think everything should be free.

If no one paid for them...there would be no mire publishing and printing..why don't you get that

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#462706 Jul 16, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston:
Lol....I love it.
Jesus said, " I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life."
True...but Atemcowboy, the man called of God, has a better way!!!!!

Quote: my beliefs are that of a definite SECOND WORK of GRACE, and which is that of the Holiness Movement, which follows a very close Walk with the Lord.
Human Being

Elton, LA

#462707 Jul 16, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
"I am neither catholic nor do I belong to the SBC. my beliefs are that of a definite SECOND WORK of GRACE, and which is that of the Holiness Movement, which follows a very close Walk with the Lord."
I did not ask if you are a Catholic. I did not ask if you belong to SBC.
Horse apples...."According to some Christian traditions, a second work of grace is a transforming interaction with God which may occur in the life of a Christian. The defining characteristics of this event are that it is separate from and subsequent to salvation (the first work of grace), and that it brings about significant changes in the life of the believer."
Pure nonsense: In the Holiness movement, the second work of grace is considered to be a cleansing from the tendency to commit sin, an experience called entire sanctification which leads to Christian perfection.
Pentecost was born out of the Holiness Movement. Charles Fox Parham and William Seymour were both Holiness Ministers and used by God to restore Pentecost to the Church.
I have more respect for an atheist...at least, they are not phonies...
Oxbow:

It is pretty obvious you don't believe in sanctification in anyone but yourself....

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#462708 Jul 16, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="New Age Spiritual Leader"
I didn't say this.
The Bible should be free. Why pay for "God's word", if it truly was "God's word".
Did "God" charge Moses? Throughout history, did "God" charge anyone to receive "His word"?
- no "He" didn't. Only men have.
**********
Let me suggest that YOU print Bibles and build churches for free. NO ??? Suddenly you realize that it costs someone something.
Perhaps you can get General Motors or Toyota to provide you an automobile for free.
KayMarie
A Christian would answer these questions in less than a nano second...evidently you can't:

Does this verse teach Christ is God: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Do you agree with the following teaching, that is supported by Scripture???

SBC:
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin...

And: The Catholics:
Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God...redeemer of the human Race..
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#462709 Jul 16, 2013
coran expert wrote:
<quoted text> No that means that thiry two camels shit on their face for eternity.
Hmm! With the camels at least you know what you are getting, on the other hand anything can be a virgin, humans or animals male or female. Maybe the coran means 72 virgin male camels who knows.
Be careful of what you wish for it sounds like a trick to me.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#462710 Jul 16, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="RoSesz"
Those who print and publish bibles.
And those who fashion crosses..rightly deserve to be paid for their service.
The Christian faith has many members,who give and run charities.
But most of us work hard a 'll our lives..pay taxes..And raise our children to be productive members if society.
these attributes are what made ThIS country great.
Not the so called charity of socialism..but.by individuals using their hard earned money and time to help others.
We pay for what we receive..including a bible ...
**********
The difference is that you are REQUIRED to pay taxes, and the politician spends it how he wishes.
God leaves us to our choice...then blesses those who CHOOSE to give of their means.
Pro 19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will He pay him again.
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which sows bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposes in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loves a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He has dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remains for ever.
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministers seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
2Co 9:11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causes through us thanksgiving to God.
2Co 9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplies the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
2Co 9:13 While by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men...
This nation has enjoyed plenty because of their generous giving to the poor. But today people are grumbling about giving, and if this continues, our 'blessings' will shrink. In fact, the nation is on the verge of bankruptcy now. If the feds weren't printing money so fast, we would feel the pinch already.
God LOVES a cheerful giver...
KayMarie
If you look at one charity or many on this site. This one is forc
Samaritanspurse.org

You will see that they spend most of their Monet on actual work for the poor and disaster relief

Now contrast that to the money we give to the FED. to spread out to the people ..who may or may nit be able to work.

There is s o much bureaucracy between taxes and the recipients. And do much fraud..nothing good comes from it and debt increases.

We are creating a whole sub population who do NOT contribute

This means more taxes for those who do.

Sooner or later the middle class will give up.

Then what..the charities are the first to suffer.

A great country ethic we are passing to our grandchildren

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm...

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#462711 Jul 16, 2013
who="Oxbow"
A Christian would answer these questions in less than a nano second...evidently you can't:
Does this verse teach Christ is God: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Do you agree with the following teaching, that is supported by Scripture???
SBC:
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin...
And: The Catholics:
Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God...redeemer of the human Race..

**********

I'm getting concerned for you. This 'thought' is in no way related to my post.

KayMarie

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#462712 Jul 16, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Oxbow:
It is pretty obvious you don't believe in sanctification in anyone but yourself....
No comment...per Scripture:

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

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