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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 670327 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Human Being

Basile, LA

#461057 Jul 11, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Even the new pope comprehends there is something wrong with the old Catholic teaching ... but his pay-off is a high position in the church. He's dedicated his life to the lies and now he is proud of his position.
When they open their bibles and their mouths to in turn preach ... beware of the lies that spill helter-skelter to pollute the gullible psyches of the followers.
Or as Robert F used to post when he was an Atheist ... "Hocus-Pocus."
June:

The Teaching is not wrong, mainly the way of teaching, and addressing current issues, keeping pace within the times, is a problem.....As soon as one problem is solved, another comes along, as recent technology tends to isolate.

I don't want to ramble on....
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#461058 Jul 11, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
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The problem is CATHOLICS are not taught that the people who ran it aere human and made mistakes...
And even after their blessed John Paul.apologized for many things...They still won't believe it
Nonsense. We are indeed taught that our clergy are sinners. where did you get your idea from?

Lets get some facts straight. The Crusades were a noble war.
But without getting into the details of the Crusades and Inquisition right now.. Let me say that Blessed Pope John Paul II did apologize and ask for forgiveness for the sins of the Church during these events. He took the high road and did the Christian thing by apologizing. John Paul knew full well the lopsided reporting of these events by Protestants and Orthodox. He also knew the enormous sins of these two groups as they did their own 'Inquisitioning' and 'Crusading' against Catholics throughout the world.
(see Englands 200 yr ban on the Catholic Mass thorought the British Empire and especially Ireland. See the colonists ban on Catholicism throughout the 13 colonies; the burnings of all things Catholic- including Catholics.)

John Paul also knew he would get no such return apology. But that was ok. You don't just apologize to people because you expect a return apology. That's why the man is a Saint.
Human Being

Basile, LA

#461059 Jul 11, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The more I study the ones indebted to religion, the more I understand why I left religion.
The only thing I don't understand is why it took me so many years to comprehend the harm I committed on my self by allowing theologians to infiltrate and confuse my thought-processes with lies.
When I was in my seventies, I kicked them all to the curb, and now try to simply live each day to the fullest believing I am whole and worthy of my own investment to me ... no religion allowed.
If I can't be a decent citizen without religion ... the onus is "completely" on me.
June:

Get it clear!

Having faith in other's beliefs is the same as having faith in one's own beliefs. It makes a wall! How long that wall stands, depends on the quality of the beliefs. If your beliefs are based on temporal observations, they remain subject to time. If your beliefs are based in eternity, then they are not subject to time.

Beliefs change, they begin new, but change, and are subject decay. They need updating as understanding gets deeper. Faith does not change.

Faith is the evidence/assurance of the unseen, and things hoped for....

It is hard to describe faith. It is a sort of confident conviction. It is sort of like the concrete that HOLDS the bricks together that forms a wall, the nails that HOLDS wood together. Without the cement or the nails, the beliefs don't HOLD together.

So when you say you were befuddled by other's beliefs, and your own beliefs, but are more clear, then you exercising your conviction and being confident...i.e. expressing your faith in new beliefs is re- making a wall.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461060 Jul 11, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
If I am not on a road to self discovery moving forward,
You are not on a road to self-discovery. You have simply re-joined a Catholic religious cult that you previously left behind and at one time believed was based on lies.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#461061 Jul 11, 2013
I went to a 'theology on tap' last night. That's where young adults, ages 18-39 get together and discuss the faith over a glass of wine or pint.
Before some certain Ministers respond to that and tell us we're going to Hell, let me say that some Protestant groups also have their own version.

Anyway, last nights discussion was 'the New Evangelization'. Its obvious something profound is happening as the Holy Spirit is making a move to combat yrs and yrs of malicious slander at the hands of Protestantism and secularism. The place was filled to capacity with people standing in the back hallways. I chatted with a young Deacon who'll be ordained a Priest next year. The kid has got fire and the reports are that the seminaries are filled with men just like him; full of zeal and fire.
I'm very proud to be contributing in my own small way to this 'New Evangelization'. Even if its on a merry-go -round endless forum like this.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461062 Jul 11, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
Get it clear!
Having faith in other's beliefs is the same as having faith in one's own beliefs.
Having faith that others deserve hell and you deserve heaven probably is the same as having faith in the beliefs of other religions, as most of them DO believe that others deserve hell.

For instance Muslims teach that all others than Muslims will burn in hell ... and Christians teach that all others than Christians will burn in hell.

So your faith is valid and sadly in dire need of refreshment.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461063 Jul 11, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual, you are still missing my point.
Self is not subjected to any form of religion, unless one is to consider free will as a religion.
And you are missing mine.

I could become a mass murderer tomorrow, so the self I know today would be lost in the circumstances of the new day.

Self is never holy or evil ... it is only of value to self, and that proves nothing.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461064 Jul 11, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
Woe is me, I am undone;
because
I am an (sinful) man of unclean lips, and dwell in the midst of people with unclean lips;
for mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts....
(Isaiah 6:5)
I suggest you cut the poetic bullsh*t and give me a straight-fore-word yes or no answer to my question.

Do you believe as an Atheist I will go to hell Robert?

Be careful how you answer that question.

If you answer "Yes" ... it will mean that you do believe a god favors Catholics.

And if you answer "No" ... it will mean that you believe being a Catholic is of no benefit to believers.
Human Being

Basile, LA

#461065 Jul 11, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Self.
Do you believe in all of what Jesus taught?
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
New Age Spiritual Leader

I believe all things Jesus taught/teaches/will teach, even if I don't know them yet.

It is that I have difficulty in understanding, but that is because I have not experienced all things, nor has God given me Total Understanding of all things, in my short time here on earth, nor do I expect I will. So it is a bit of a dilemma that I do not understand all things, but I believe Jesus.

I try not to be anxious over the matter of trying to understand(I confess, sometimes I fail, and do get anxious.) But I still keep trying to understand.
Human Being

Basile, LA

#461066 Jul 11, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
When I was under the spell of religion I used to wonder why a god did this or thought that or why a god didn't do something about the horrible suffering of all forms of life.
Now I don't ask those questions, as I fully understand that the only responses I will receive from humans caught in the webs of lies of religion, are ludicrous.
No responses are better than gibberish from humans that pretend to answer questions that are beyond human intellects TO answer.
If a creator exists, there would be no way it could ever make amends for being the cause of such suffering of all forms of life.
And if it's offended by my insolent statement, I will ask it again to strike me dead this moment to prove it's existence to those still in religion who insist on worshipping this horrible supposed master-mind of suffering.
June:

Tempting God, because you don't understand?
Human Being

Basile, LA

#461067 Jul 11, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
When I was still in religion, but slowly drawing away from it's spell, I found it more and more difficult to give thanks to a supposed creator, when I would read such as the following.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
The Grapple Tree (Harpagophytum procumbens) of South Africa produces a fearsome fruit called the “Devil’s Claw” which has been known to kill a lion. The fruit is covered in fierce hooks, which latch on to passing animals. In trying to shake the fruit off, the animal disperses the seeds but at the same time, the hooks sink deeper into the creature’s flesh. If the animal touches the fruit with its mouth, the fruit will attach itself to the animal’s jaw, inflicting great pain and preventing it from eating. Antelopes are usually the victims.
June:

Object of the lesson:

Don't eat the fruit Eve! Steer clear from it!

To late....Suffering and death.

Somebody needs to get rid of that Devil tree.

Jesus is the One.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#461069 Jul 11, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
And why do you, Confrinting "avoid" dismiss and reject the words of Jesus in Matthew 16:13-21 regarding His One (and only one) TRUE (Universal-Catholic Church!!......And why do you avoid the spoken, stated and expressed words of Jesus HIMSELF regarding HIS TRUE BODY and TRUE BLOOD in the Eucharist. "For unless you eat my body (which is real food) and drink my blood (which is real blood)---You CANNNOT have eternal life!
~~~

You wrote

And why do you, Confrinting "avoid" dismiss and reject the words of Jesus in Matthew 16:13-21 regarding His One (and only one) TRUE (Universal-Catholic Church!!.....

NO MATTER WHICH WAY I TURN IT...

IT DOES NOT SAY ANY THING ABOUT A TRUE (Universal-Catholic Church!!.....
Here ARE the verses that you are saying that I reject..

GENEVA BIBLE TRANSLATION DATED 1599

Mat 16:13 Nowe when Iesus came into the coastes of Cesarea Philippi, hee asked his disciples, saying, Whome doe men say that I, the sonne of man am?

Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say, Iohn Baptist: and some, Elias: and others, Ieremias, or one of the Prophets.

Mat 16:15 He said vnto them, But whome say ye that I am?

Mat 16:16 Then Simon Peter answered, & said, Thou art that Christ, the Sonne of the liuing God.

Mat 16:17 And Iesus answered, and saide to him, Blessed art thou, Simon, the sonne of Ionas: for flesh and blood hath not reueiled it vnto thee, but my Father which is in heauen.

Mat 16:18 And I say also vnto thee, that thou art Peter, and vpon this rocke I will builde my Church: and ye gates of hel shal not ouercome it.

Mat 16:19 And I will giue vnto thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen, and whatsoeuer thou shalt binde vpon earth, shalbe bound in heauen: and whatsoeuer thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in heauen.

Mat 16:20 Then hee charged his disciples, that they should tell no man that he was Iesus that Christ.

Mat 16:21 From that time foorth Iesus beganne to shewe vnto his disciples, that he must goe vnto Hierusalem, and suffer many thinges of the Elders, and of the hie Priestes, and Scribes, and be slaine, and be raised againe the thirde day.

KING JAMES TRANSLATION...DATED 1611

Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mat 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
CONTINUED

.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#461070 Jul 11, 2013
CONTINUED
DOUAY TRANSLATION 1899

Mat 16:13 And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is?

Mat 16:14 But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Mat 16:15 Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?
Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
Mat 16:20 Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.
Mat 16:21 From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again.

SOME ONE IS LYING...AND GOD'S WORD DON'T LIE..
Human Being

Basile, LA

#461071 Jul 11, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
The ones that Catholic theologians promise will burn in hell are of a "sinister" interest to you Robert.
You in a lackadaisical attitude want them to join you in heaven, is the so choose ... but you know that it's not possible ... so instead you thank that Jew that you hope and pray favors YOU!
You are see-through Robert.
June:

I earned by own stripes.
Send me to prison.

Only because Jesus saved me,
And came for me, that I now see.

So now I can sing freely,
My Lord is risen.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461072 Jul 11, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
Tempting God, because you don't understand?
I understand that you once again BELIEVE there is a god that favors only Catholics.

There isn't anything more to understand about how you change beliefs whenever the mood hits you.

Protestant first ... Catholic second ... flirted with Buddhism ... became an Atheist ... and now a born-again Catholic ... what next remains to be seen.

:)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461073 Jul 11, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
Object of the lesson:
Don't eat the fruit Eve! Steer clear from it!
To late....Suffering and death.
Somebody needs to get rid of that Devil tree.
Jesus is the One.
I suggest you cut the poetic bullsh*t and give me a straight-fore-word yes or no answer to my question.

Do you believe as an Atheist I will go to hell Robert?

Be careful how you answer that question.

If you answer "Yes" ... it will mean that you do believe a god favors Catholics.

And if you answer "No" ... it will mean that you believe being a Catholic is of no benefit to believers.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461074 Jul 11, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
I earned by own stripes.
Send me to prison.
Only because Jesus saved me,
And came for me, that I now see.
So now I can sing freely,
My Lord is risen.
Would you like me to yodel???

:)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#461075 Jul 11, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
CONTINUED
DOUAY TRANSLATION 1899
SOME ONE IS LYING...AND GOD'S WORD DON'T LIE..
The Douay translation came before your Protestant translation.

If anyone lied it must have been the Protestants.

:)

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#461076 Jul 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense. We are indeed taught that our clergy are sinners. where did you get your idea from?
Lets get some facts straight. The Crusades were a noble war.
But without getting into the details of the Crusades and Inquisition right now.. Let me say that Blessed Pope John Paul II did apologize and ask for forgiveness for the sins of the Church during these events. He took the high road and did the Christian thing by apologizing. John Paul knew full well the lopsided reporting of these events by Protestants and Orthodox. He also knew the enormous sins of these two groups as they did their own 'Inquisitioning' and 'Crusading' against Catholics throughout the world.
(see Englands 200 yr ban on the Catholic Mass thorought the British Empire and especially Ireland. See the colonists ban on Catholicism throughout the 13 colonies; the burnings of all things Catholic- including Catholics.)
John Paul also knew he would get no such return apology. But that was ok. You don't just apologize to people because you expect a return apology. That's why the man is a Saint.
And Clay to be clear in every post I have made regarding the CC.

I have shown nothing bug respect and admiration for your modern pope

Most especially John Paul

But in my generation. We were nit taught anything about the past and the Church

And I have said the resurgence to your Church can be directly Ascribed
To His humility ..Imo
DENYING the past is foolish.

There was too much interchange with Church and monarchies.

Then came Church of England. They did not like bibles either
Or papists..though their practices were Catholic. With Henry as head

Along cane daughter Mary ..And all that mess..Catholic..But she shoukd have been banned.

No religion can force belief through violence

None ..

And yet I have read Catholics on this forum denying all he Said ..including his plea for unity among Christians

You now all have bible study ..That was nit the case before ..

The CC is Not medieval but it was .

We do not burn witches..But we did.

God's will and belief in Jesus cannot cone from killing ..torture or burning bibles

He gave us free will to love Him or not.

NIT TO IMPOSE HIM ON OTHERSZ.

HE coukd have done that without any help from us.

The CC is mire guilty ONLY BECAUSE it's been around linger and was,protected by political power .

So was the temple .

So actually is,any belief that is imposed by those in power .

That is why the founders were careful.yo impose NO STATE RELIGION

That was NOT true in medieval times ..And that was the problem .

You get in bed with rulers...They control you or vice versa.

Your church now since VATICAN 2, is much closer to what Jesus,wanted ..Imo.

And IMO there are many of Jesus followers, in both our respective faiths ..
bible nut

Hanover Park, IL

#461077 Jul 11, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Would you like me to yodel???
:)
I would like to hear you yodel miss vanderbuilt.

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