Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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Since: Sep 09

Smithers, Canada

#460365 Jul 9, 2013
Cells that keep human bodies alive are trapped in their environments. They live and they die, and there are other cells that clear the dead cells out of the human bodies.

We also are trapped in our bodies until we die.

I don't believe that our value is worth any more than that of the cells that keep our bodies alive.

From my perception we are nothing special, albeit that we are taught we ARE something special.

Since: Sep 09

Smithers, Canada

#460366 Jul 9, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Why was Jesus called EMANUEL,God With us,in Lukes'Gospel?
Oxbow,I still do not know what kind of M a n,you are referring to Jesus,in that He was the Son of Man,yet the Son of God also.Manto men,is true,but the very fact that God in His Omnipotent power can take of His own Essence and beget a Son is something that requires some faith on our part,even if we do not have complete understanding.When we make that decision to see such things by faith,it is wonderful how the LORD responds with increasing our faith.Jesus is the Son of God,not just a man created to head a great cause for the glory of God,as no doubt many men in the Old Cevenant did.I am referring to Abraham,Isaac,Jacob,Moses,and the Prophets:Jeremeiah,Isaiah,Ezek iel and so on.
Jesus as a Man only would be limited to our humanity,of which has never seen God in His glory,yet Jesus was with the Father from the beginning,so He is a SON who knows His Father before all ages,NOT a Man only,but the glorious Second Person of the Godhead,He is the fulfillment of that Godhead bodily,yet He was total Man aswell,given all the frailties of our human existence.His suffering,and crucifixion was totally without restriction to his physical being,and He knew the abandonment of the Father,which was something we humans can barely fathom.
You have to be careful Oxbow you do not fall into the hands of a post-dated Arianism,which was refuted strongly by the early church.Saint Eusebius was known to have been a courageous debater against arianism,and he suffered for his stand.
We today not only have the Full Scriptures to define what the Godhead is,but we have also witnesses upon witnesses who have experienced the revelation of knowing that the Godhead is Father,Son and Holy Spirit,whether from a Catholic affiliation or Evangelical,and so on.Jesus is the Incarnate Son of God,by the Holy Spirit Mary received the Holy SEED,and through normal gestation and pregnancy,Jesus is God-Man.Son of God,Son of Man!It takes faith as well Oxbow,not human intellect totry and figure it out.
The only reason you aren't arguing dogma from a Muslim's point of view is that you weren't born a Muslim.

It is only by chance you were born to be indoctrinated by your own self-perceived "special" brand of Christianity.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#460367 Jul 9, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Saints of God who are they??? They are the children of God, who alone makes saints out of His people because of their faith in a never failing God, and His Son Jesus, "The Christ,"
What your church has accepted as saint God may not. and visa versa.
you have no idea who is in heaven and who isn't Regina .
You could be praying to some one who is in hell and don't even know it.
Makes no difference any way you look at it neither can hear you.
If they have left this earth.
You make a good point in that we do not know that every Saint the RCCh canonizes really ended up in heaven,the truth is according to Scripture they are all asleep,no one is in hell or heaven,their spirits are with the LORD,but the bodies are waiting for the resurrection.

But LTM,for sure,we will not be able to stop an individual from praying to whoever they want to in secret.And truly if they are sincere before the Lord,and seek ultimately to serve christ,only God can judge their hearts,and if their prayers are amiss,that is between God and that person.Sooner or later an individual who seeks to live for Christ will know whether or not his or her prayers are being answered.Faith is a very important component in how we address God.We can mutter all kinds of prayers,but faith in what we pray to God for has to be evident.

ALSO grace is the basis for our faith in Christ,if grace is not in what we do to serve Christ,we could be wasting our time.God honors our faith,but only if it is rooted in His GRACE!many have experienced His grace,and they need to go back to that grace continually in their lives,and allow the Holy Spirit to widen their knowledge and experience in GRACE.Grace is the beginning of our walk with Christ,it continues always,and we end in that grace at our deaths.

Praying to saints or through them is not a problem,it is how much faith you utilize with the covering of God's grace.The only Man who is the Mediator between God and us,IS Jesus.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#460368 Jul 9, 2013
persnickety wrote:
<quoted text>That post wqas meant for rosesez. She refuses to tell a poster to stop bashing Christ.
~~~
May be she feels that enough has been said by others...

and it would be a waste of her time...

The Bible says..

Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#460369 Jul 9, 2013
persnickety wrote:
<quoted text>No one ever said that rosey, we think you are another poster named ladi who aborted her baby we all called the baby to drive a point to ladi, that every baby unborn and born is important. You are doing exactly what Foo wants you to do, to spread lies and get people upset.
Knit

You know exactly whom I am ..And that I gave up my child..

I am tired if this ..But what you said to her ..giving her baby agonist name ..taunting her with that name.

Driving home a,point?

You think she FORGOT..But because of your incessant meanness I am afraid that poor woman will never see Jesus as loving ..

4 years knit ...shame on all of you for doing that.

And you telling Ladi to use her BABY IN A BLACK MASS SACRIFICE

Disgusting ..awful .disgraceful ..you make her sad and then gloat.

I forgIve what you Saud about my son ..But being so hateful ..you will have to look to God fir

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#460370 Jul 9, 2013
4GVN wrote:
<quoted text>If He is God, how can He not be Almighty? Stick a fork in me...I'm done.
Why, as a Catholic, do you refuse to follow their teaching on the matter that is supported by Scripture????

And: The Catholics:
Jesus Christ, the incarnate Son of God...redeemer of the human Race..

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#460371 Jul 9, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Good, you're finally being honest about it! Much better than pretending to a knowledge you don't possess.

~~~

You wrote

The Catholic faith has remained steadfast and true for the last 2,000 years. I have no fears that God will renege on his promise. His church will continue whether you agree with the calendar of saints or not.(You should still read about St. Edith Stein.)
WHY IS IT THAT YOU Roman Catholics inevitably ..

QUOTE some one's OPINIONS here on earth ...

BUT SELDOM (if ever) QUOTE JESUS..

Did your St. Edith Stein give her life for your salvation?

Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#460372 Jul 9, 2013
227
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Oxbow:
Reasons why I can't answer you:
First off, using your translation. It is vague, and generalized, perhaps a bit to simplified and popularized.
Secondly, I am not accustomed to answering a "shotgun fallacy".
Thirdly, the scriptures you quote, are like a subtle "strawman".
You are asking me to prove something which is not directly stated, and ask me to interpret something into the true meaning of these scriptures.
Fourth, "cherry-picking" you chop-up the scriptures, and leave off the context within which they are written. Thus, anyone, can interpret them, any way they desire.
Fifth, the way you ask the question, we return to the "ducks quack" issue. You conclude ducks don't quack because it is not written in scripture. Likewise, when you demand a yes or not answer from me, I can say the scriptures you use do not tell me ducks do or don't quack.
Sixth, its just a trick question, a false delemma, in which if I commit one way or the other, you can "prove" otherwise.
Translation: 1. a rendering of something into another language or into one's own language from another. 2. a version in a different language: an English translation of Plato.3. the act or process of translating.4. the state of being translated.
5. motion in which all particles of a body move with the same velocity along parallel paths.6. Genetics. the process by which messenger RNA specifies the sequence of amino acids that line up on a ribosome for protein synthesis.

215 220
This is not a translation: Why do you not answer my question???

This is not a translation: Does the following verses teach that Christ is God??????

This is not a translation:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Your first reason holds not water.....

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#460373 Jul 9, 2013

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#460374 Jul 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
WHY IS IT THAT YOU Roman Catholics inevitably ..
QUOTE some one's OPINIONS here on earth ...
BUT SELDOM (if ever) QUOTE JESUS..
Did your St. Edith Stein give her life for your salvation?
Heb_12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
~~~

Psa 42:1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

Psa 42:2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

Psa 42:3 My tears have been my meat day and night, while they continually say unto me, Where is thy God?

Psa 42:4 When I remember these things, I pour out my soul in me: for I had gone with the multitude, I went with them to the house of God, with the voice of joy and praise, with a multitude that kept holyday.

Psa 42:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me?

hope thou in God:

for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance.

As The Deer Panteth For The Water and sing along!

As the deer panteth for the water,
So my soul longs after you
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.

Chorus:
You alone are my strength, my shield;
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.

I want you more than gold or silver,
Only You can satisfy
You alone are the real joy giver
And the apple of my eye.

Chorus:
You alone are my strength, my shield;
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.

You're my friend and You're my brother,
Even though you are a King
I love You more than any other
So much more than anything.

Chorus:
You alone are my strength, my shield;
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.
-

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#460375 Jul 9, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>why should we give a deeper explaination.
simple is much better.
And there shall come forth a rod(David) out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch(Jesus) shall grow out of his roots:
no biggie there.
Your God is a tree now?

ROFLMAO

Yggdrasil

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#460376 Jul 9, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, from my point of view, all religious myths are based on human imagination, which never was and never will be dependable.
If I don't trust most of them there is no reason to trust any of them.
Playing favorites with myths can be fun, but when the myth-makers start fighting over whose myths are real and whose are false ... that is when the stupidity of religion really kicks in.
Agreed.

We might as well fight over which is "The Truth", Aesop or Grimm ?
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#460377 Jul 9, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
The Truth
Jesus Christ. Fully Human..Fully Divine.
Born to Mary
Walked on this earth preaching and healing..Showing us the ONLY way to the Father was through Him
He died a horrible death on the,Cross..Became full if our Sins,as He hung there..He drank that awful cup JUST FOR US.
He cried out ..full of our Sins..father why hast thou forsaken Me.
Then in the End ..He said IT IS FINISHED..
FINISHED done..NITHING mire needed.
No rituals ..No big buildings..Certainly no KILLING in His name ..
DONE ..OVER ..DEATH CONQUERED WHEN HE ARISE from the dead.
His apostles were to Spread this,Hope of Salvation
Guided by the Holy Spirit
HIS,Church was the body of Believers.
Not the Vatican. Nit a,Crystal Cathedral
People who have a relationship eith the Lord .
Who have taken Jesus at His word ..the Way is through Him ..only .
We repent our sins and commit to Him..He Washes us in His precious blood .
He gave one prayer ..the Our Father
Two commandments
LOVE God ..love your neighbor ...all if them
And most Especially LOVE ONE ANOTHER....y e t here we,are.
Believers in Him bickering over passages..churches..statues..
Over centuries actually torturing people who did nit believe the same way as EACH OTHER.
SHAME ON US..
We commemorate THE Last Supper differently ...But we do it.But this is,Not necessary to salvation ..
We are baptized in obedience ..But That does not save
But belief in His precious saving BLOOD by Faith t through the gift if Grace .
FREE bought and paid for...by Him ONLY HIM .WASHED CLEAN BY HIM
Accepting that gift and repenting. FOLLOWING HIM
How simple if we are embued by the Spirit
And foolish to non believers
We are followers of God's Holy and Perfect Son!!!!
I no we need to act like it in word and deed ..
So as NOT TO BE STUMBLING BLOCKS to any who are being led by the Spirit.
If the Spirit calls a person and he gets answer s from the parish priest..it Dr Charles Stanley on tv.
What is it to us..The Spirit leads ..We follow ..
The fruits of OUR BELIEF are on this thread for ALL TO SEE..
DOES THIS THREAD ..and some of the words we sling ...Make God happy
ARE WE SAYING
FOLLOW HIM all of you who are heavy laden .
OR ARE WE SAYING follow ME.....I'M RIGHT NOT HIM ..
I plead guilt in some of my arguments ..The past is over...mistakes were made in centuries long gone .
What do we do to CALL PEOPLE TO JESUS TODAY
RoSesz:

There is a certain zeal one has for God, which is misunderstood. The zeal arises out of happiness. It is childlike enthusiasm, and is not directed, but freely radiates.

Consider for a moment, that Jesus did not go about trying to convince others. So neither should we.

Rather Jesus made declarations, but taught others with parables, and did signs. So if you meditate on some of the verses in which he taught and did signs, you will understand better, and know Jesus more. In becoming more like him one finds themselves teaching others with parables and signs.

See how parables and signs convinced some, but not others....

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#460378 Jul 9, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Why was Jesus called EMANUEL,God With us,in Lukes'Gospel?....
Jesus isn't Emmanuel. They were born about 700 years apart.

Ask a Jew to explain THEIR BOOK to you.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#460379 Jul 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
May be she feels that enough has been said by others...
and it would be a waste of her time...
The Bible says..
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Thanks Kay..It's a long running feud

The woman she hates is Jewish.

And does nit see a speck of Christ's love in her..sorry to say..
Her family is Christiann and she respects them and my belief.

I feel in Jews waiting on Messiah...We will all see Him and know who He is
And all knees will bow..
God can handle all that just fine:)

And yes I am tired of it and SORRY it was brought to this forum..

What I was saying before I was,interrupted still goes ..We are to plant seeds ..and hope they grow..And hope the SPIRIT waters them

In the ways he chooses

We should just nit be stumbling blocks to anyone reading

As I said I am guilty as well.

God will sort THrough the Churches looking for HIS Sheep

Since: Sep 09

Smithers, Canada

#460380 Jul 9, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Show us where a Pope said they were removed because they didn't exist.
If you can't, then it's just more anti-Catholic nonsense.
Thanks.
You stated that the saints WERE removed from the Catholic Universal calendar. Did the devil remove them, or were they removed with the approval of popes. And if they were removed, that is a show of horrible disrespect if the popes didn't actually believe they were nonexistent to begin with.

I suggest you are being very silly ... just to try to prove you are right.

Since: Sep 09

Smithers, Canada

#460381 Jul 9, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Psa 42:1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.
Psa 42:2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
Psa 42:3 My tears have been my meat day and night, while they continually say unto me, Where is thy God?
Psa 42:4 When I remember these things, I pour out my soul in me: for I had gone with the multitude, I went with them to the house of God, with the voice of joy and praise, with a multitude that kept holyday.
Psa 42:5 Why art thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted in me?
hope thou in God:
for I shall yet praise him for the help of his countenance.
As The Deer Panteth For The Water and sing along!
As the deer panteth for the water,
So my soul longs after you
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.
Chorus:
You alone are my strength, my shield;
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.
I want you more than gold or silver,
Only You can satisfy
You alone are the real joy giver
And the apple of my eye.
Chorus:
You alone are my strength, my shield;
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.
You're my friend and You're my brother,
Even though you are a King
I love You more than any other
So much more than anything.
Chorus:
You alone are my strength, my shield;
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my hearts desire,
And I long to worship You.
-
Yes Jesus loves you
Yes Jesus loves you
Yes Jesus loves you
Because you say it's true

skip the yodeling

Yes Jesus loves you
Yes Jesus loves you
Yes Jesus loves you
Because you say it's true

:)
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#460382 Jul 9, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree ..I just get sad..And I'm guilty too.
When on some of these forums forums and this one is tame .
We just bicker over whose Church is right
I get sad
When people USe Jesus
To put down others.
What does it say to
Non believers or people the Spirit may be calling who
Might actually be searching
We we Christians hurt others with our words
What does it say about Jesus and His mercy.
I edit a lot on another forum. Personal insults going both ways
But I feel we shoukd do better...
I prayed really hard on this the other nite when I forced hurt and angry on personal insults
Bringing unprovoked past..Taunting others ..
It's nit what Christians shoukd be doing IMO .
AND on this thread with RELIGIUIS,content
We should be calling people to HIM by our words and actions
Not to any Church ...But Him alone
I am not jealous if In plant a seed and it is harvested elsewhere.
We shoukd be planting seeds IMO.
Not fighting on who lives Jesus more. Again my opinion ..
Some mysteries we will not know the facts of until we are told when we are with Him.
Including but not limited to The EUCHARIST
FAITH ..Grace ..Salvation..lead us to our own personal relationship.
With Jedi s.
Fir what it's worth I was reading here this morning
And felt led to post this..
RoSezs:

Jesus wept for Jerusalem.

More often than not weeping for the unsaved, is part of patient endurance, which is love. It is not to be denied, or a waste of time. Rather, I think it is a gift of grace, unlooked for, and shared by God to some.

Since: Sep 09

Smithers, Canada

#460383 Jul 9, 2013
I believe it's as likely that Jesus loves anybody, as it is that Santa Claus loves anybody.

Religion is all a crap-shoot! Pun intended.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#460384 Jul 9, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
227
<quoted text>
Translation: 1. a rendering of something into another language or into one's own language from another. 2. a version in a different language: an English translation of Plato.3. the act or process of translating.4. the state of being translated.
5. motion in which all particles of a body move with the same velocity along parallel paths.6. Genetics. the process by which messenger RNA specifies the sequence of amino acids that line up on a ribosome for protein synthesis.
215 220
This is not a translation: Why do you not answer my question???
This is not a translation: Does the following verses teach that Christ is God??????
This is not a translation:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

~~~

You wrote
Your first reason holds not water.....
Noah's ark did not hold water...It sat upon the water...

Isaiah is known as the Messianic Prophet He wrote

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and

his name shall be called

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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