Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 590364 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459788 Jul 7, 2013
Roman Catholicism: Roman Catholics originally believed only those in the Roman Catholic Church could be saved. Joining the church was a long process of classes, rituals, and baptism. People who had already been baptized but were not members of the Roman Catholic Church had different requirements and may even already be considered Christians. Baptism is “normatively” required for salvation, but this can include “baptism of blood”(i.e.: martyrdom) or “baptism of desire”(wanting to be baptized really badly). From the catechism:“Those who die for the faith, those who are catechumens, and all those who, without knowing of the Church but acting under the inspiration of grace, seek God sincerely and strive to fulfill his will, are saved even if they have not been baptized.” Despite the changes through the years, baptism (or the desire for baptism) is still required for salvation.
Anthony MN

Andover, MN

#459789 Jul 7, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Do you deny that these verses teach that Christ is the Son of God???
As Scripture teaches:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
The Word was God.... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459790 Jul 7, 2013
Upon death, the souls of those who rejected Christ are sent to hell. The souls of those who accepted Christ and performed sufficient acts to be purified of sin go to heaven. Those who died in faith but did not complete the steps to be purified are sent to purgatory where they undergo temporary, painful punishment until their souls are cleansed. Purification by torment may be lessened by suffering during life and the offerings and prayers of others on the sinner’s behalf. Once purification is complete, the soul may go to heaven.
Scientology: Scientology is similar to Eastern religions in that salvation is achieved through knowledge of self and the universe. The “Thetan”(Scientology’s answer to the soul) travels through several different lifetimes, attempting to expel painful and traumatic images that cause a person to act fearfully and irrationally. Once a Scientologist is “cleared” of these harmful images and becomes an “operating thetan,” he/she is able to control thought, life, matter, energy, space, and time.
Sikhism: Sikhism was created in reaction to the conflict between Hinduism and Islam, and carries on many of Hinduism’s influences—although Sikhs are monotheistic.“Evil” is merely human selfishness. Salvation is attained by living an honest life and meditating on god. If performed sufficiently, the worshipper is released from the cycle of reincarnation and becomes one with god.
Shinto: The afterlife in Shinto was originally a dire, Hades-like realm. Matters of the afterlife have now been transferred to Buddhism. This salvation is dependent on penance and avoiding impurity or pollution of the soul. Then one’s soul can join those of its ancestors.
Taoism: Like several other Eastern religions (Shinto, Chinese folk religions, Sikhism), Taoism adopted many of its afterlife principles from Buddhism. Initially, Taoists didn’t concern themselves with worries of the afterlife and, instead, concentrated on creating a utopian society. Salvation was reached by aligning with the cosmos and receiving aid from supernatural immortals who resided on mountains, islands, and other places on Earth. The result was immortality. Eventually, Taoists abandoned the quest for immortality and took on the afterlife teachings of Buddhism.
Unitarian-Universalism: Unitarians are allowed to and encouraged to believe anything they like about the afterlife and how to get there. Although in general, they believe people should seek enlightenment in this life and not worry too much about the afterlife.
Wicca: Wiccans believe many different things about the afterlife, but most seem to agree that there is no need for salvation. People either live in harmony with the Goddess by caring for her physical manifestation—the Earth—or they don’t, and their bad karma is returned to them three-fold. Some believe souls are reincarnated until they learn all their life lessons and become one with the Goddess. Some are so committed to following one’s individual path that they believe individuals determine what will happen when they die; if worshippers think they’re going to be reincarnated or sent to hell or joined with the goddess, they will be. Others refuse to contemplate the afterlife at all. Either way, they don’t believe in sin or anything they need saving from.
Zoroastrianism: Zoroastrianism may be the first religion that stated that the afterlife was dependent one’s actions in life. There is no reincarnation, just a simple judgment four days after death. After a sufficient amount of time in hell, however, even the condemned can go to heaven. To be judged righteous, one can use knowledge or devotion, but the most effective way is through action.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459791 Jul 7, 2013
"I was a child evangelist and preacher, and I used to go around a lot of churches in Arizona specifically [...] it was coming along sort of in stages [...] slowly through high school, and so by the first year of college, I pretty much had realised that I am an atheist." [...] "Well I always say, reading the Bible [made me an atheist]. The more I read the Bible and I tried to use the Bible to convert other people to Christianity, I realised, well I have to learn the arguments of the other religions I'm trying to convert. And the more I tried to learn the arguments and compare them to mine, the more I realised, I could make the arguments for their side just as well. Then it went into, you know, how do I know that anything I believe is true? And eventually I realised I have no evidence for any religion being true, and at that point, I was an atheist."

Hector Avalos

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459792 Jul 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I'm sorry, did I get a little too close to home?
(You really aren't an equal opportunity atheist, are you? I noticed that quite some time ago. Tea time! Have a good one, June!)
If I join your personalized religion, will you feel that I am acceptable to your sensitivities THEN???

:)

Since: Jun 13

Orlando, FL

#459793 Jul 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Cheer up, maybe he'll propose and you two can get myrried!!!
Facts are facts. Romanists may attack the author and myself, but you can't deny the facts.

John Carroll and the first American Catholics would never have denied the validity of their neighbor's Church.

"... In the first century and a half, Benjamin Franklin recommended John Carroll for a Church office and Protestants worked to create a colony where Catholics were welcome. Protestants were willing to do this just about a century after the bitter excommunication of Martin Luther in 1520. In America, Protestants gave land for Catholics to build Churches and, later, sent their children to Catholic schools.

We need to inquire why these promising beginnings did not continue.

http://www.apadovano.com/church_american.html

Sadly today, the Dark Age evil has returned.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459794 Jul 7, 2013
fateema mirrorcales...

3. Jerusalem Syndrome. This is a new entry. But a goodie. First identified in the 1930s by an Israeli psychiatrist, Jerusalem Syndrome describes psychotic symptoms associated with the Holy Land and to all sorts of delusionary thinking. But it’s posited that one doesn’t have to actually be in Jerusalem to suffer from narcissistic grandiose delusions like the three visionaries did. In fact, guess who else suffered from this. Yup. Adolf Hitler. Yeah, they’re comparing Hitler to Lucy, Jacinta and Francisco.

Now, of course, if the three children suffered from even the worst case of Jerusalem Syndrome ever that doesn’t really explain how 70,000 people caught the syndrome that day. Man, that’s one contagious syndrome. You’d have thought we’d have heard of it before now.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#459795 Jul 7, 2013
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Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The Word was God.... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
You are a coward....you are terrified of the simple truth!!!!

Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you deny that these verses teach that Christ is the Son of God???

As Scripture teaches:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#459796 Jul 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
If I join your personalized religion, will you feel that I am acceptable to your sensitivities THEN???
:)
You're confusing me with the fundies again, June. That's their schtick.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459797 Jul 7, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't preach to you.
Do you love your daughter? Would you tell her that driving drunk will kill her?
If you don't preach to me, why are asking me if I would tell my daughter that driving drunk could kill her?

If you are not referring to religion ... what are you referring to???

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459798 Jul 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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You're confusing me with the fundies again, June. That's their schtick.
Are you not in ANY religion???
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#459799 Jul 7, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
<quoted text>
Facts are facts. Romanists may attack the author and myself, but you can't deny the facts.
John Carroll and the first American Catholics would never have denied the validity of their neighbor's Church.
"... In the first century and a half, Benjamin Franklin recommended John Carroll for a Church office and Protestants worked to create a colony where Catholics were welcome. Protestants were willing to do this just about a century after the bitter excommunication of Martin Luther in 1520. In America, Protestants gave land for Catholics to build Churches and, later, sent their children to Catholic schools.
We need to inquire why these promising beginnings did not continue.
http://www.apadovano.com/church_american.html
Sadly today, the Dark Age evil has returned.
As your good friend June likes to say:

:)

Besides, why should you care? You don't believe in God. Aren't you the one who thinks he came from another planet?...lol

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459800 Jul 7, 2013
Jack Chick wrote:
<quoted text>
Sadly today, the Dark Age evil has returned.
As long as there are right-fighter defending their personalized religious cults, the dark ages will never leave.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459801 Jul 7, 2013
Michelle Bachelet

Chilean politician, former President of Chile and the first woman to hold this position in the country's history.

"A paediatrician turned politician, Ms Bachelet is an atheist single mother with three children by two different partners - which makes her an odd choice in a macho and profoundly Catholic country."[46]
"Given this context, it is nothing short of extraordinary - even revolutionary - that the clear front-runner in the presidential vote being held on Sunday is Michelle Bachelet, a divorced mother of three who is an atheist and a member of the Socialist Party."
LTM

Chelmsford, Canada

#459802 Jul 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
"I was a child evangelist and preacher, and I used to go around a lot of churches in Arizona specifically [...] it was coming along sort of in stages [...] slowly through high school, and so by the first year of college, I pretty much had realised that I am an atheist." [...] "Well I always say, reading the Bible [made me an atheist]. The more I read the Bible and I tried to use the Bible to convert other people to Christianity, I realised, well I have to learn the arguments of the other religions I'm trying to convert. And the more I tried to learn the arguments and compare them to mine, the more I realised, I could make the arguments for their side just as well. Then it went into, you know, how do I know that anything I believe is true? And eventually I realised I have no evidence for any religion being true, and at that point, I was an atheist."
Hector Avalos
You will never prove a religion through the Bible June.
Hector Avalos is right, "I realized I have no evidence for any religion being true," and he never will, because the Bible isn't about a religion the Bible is about Jesus Christ, and God's plan of salvation for all man kind.
You are hung up about religion, so your argument really isn't against God but religions.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#459803 Jul 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you not in ANY religion???
Not any that would cause me to come on here and tell you you're going to hell unless you believe as I do, or that you must believe as I do for any other reason either. The Catholics have been the only ones who've been decent to you around here. The others get in your face and scream at you in a shrill voice. Maybe that's what you like?

Have you ever had clotted cream on your scones?

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459804 Jul 7, 2013
American atheist activist, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation and author of Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To Atheist.

"Following five years of reading, Dan gradually outgrew his religious beliefs. "If I had limited myself to Christian authors, I'd still be a Christian today," Dan says. "I just lost faith in faith." He announced his atheism publicly in January, 1984."[

Dan Barker

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459805 Jul 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
As your good friend June likes to say:
I don't make "friends" on a forum. That way I don't feel beholden to personalities and am free to write what feels comfortable at all times to my own conscience.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459806 Jul 7, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Not any that would cause me to come on here and tell you you're going to hell unless you believe as I do, or that you must believe as I do for any other reason either. The Catholics have been the only ones who've been decent to you around here. The others get in your face and scream at you in a shrill voice. Maybe that's what you like?
Have you ever had clotted cream on your scones?
Do you believe that hell exists for those who offend "god?"

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#459807 Jul 7, 2013
LTM wrote:
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You will never prove a religion through the Bible June.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Religion came first ... the bible came second.

I don't believe in the existence of a creator, so I can't be mad AT a creator.

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