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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 667636 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#459194 Jul 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
Cathaholic propaganda sites are taken at their value....which is about as worthwhile as your paedophile priests...
Just who is ever going to actually listen to such deviates(demons)?

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#459195 Jul 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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"speaking to"
Have you ever been "spoken to" or been "spoken to" by an "angel?
And just how did you realize this was truth if you did?
I think "extreme" apologetics are forthcoming from this query...and absolutely no "proof".
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#459196 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Have you ever been "spoken to" or been "spoken to" by an "angel?
And just how did you realize this was truth if you did?
I think "extreme" apologetics are forthcoming from this query...and absolutely no "proof".
There are quite a few biblical accounts of angels interacting with people. I'm not going to argue the existence of them with an obnoxious atheist.
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#459197 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Cathaholic propaganda sites are taken at their value....which is about as worthwhile as your paedophile priests...
Just who is ever going to actually listen to such deviates(demons)?
Out of 40,000 Priests in America. 38 were accused last year. Of those 38, 6 were deemed credible.

Do you have any of your own statistics or would you rather not know the truth?

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#459198 Jul 5, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
Roughly 4% were guilty of abuse, abuse which included using inappropriate language or putting a hand on the shoulder. The innocent 96% are being broad-brushed by you in an unChristian slanderous indictment.
Conversely, protestant ministers, which include pentecostals, admit to adulterous and sexually inappropriate contact with congregants at a rate of 3-4 times higher than Catholic priests.
Look to the sins of your own confrinting, they are many.
**********

I think 'admit' is the key word...

KM

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#459199 Jul 5, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
There are quite a few biblical accounts of angels interacting with people. I'm not going to argue the existence of them with an obnoxious atheist.
Of course you're not. Hence my statement(before you even replied)...'I think "extreme" apologetics are forthcoming from this query...and absolutely no "proof"."
I rest my case...

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#459200 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of 40,000 Priests in America. 38 were accused last year. Of those 38, 6 were deemed credible.
Do you have any of your own statistics or would you rather not know the truth?
Please state your source...thank-u

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#459201 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of 40,000 Priests in America. 38 were accused last year. Of those 38, 6 were deemed credible.
Do you have any of your own statistics or would you rather not know the truth?
Even 6 of 38 is a despicable record.
That does not even include those "without" the USA and future complaints.
Your church is indeed despicable, and without "holiness".
History tells of even worse accounts of atrocity. One would expect that if there was any real deity, he would have smitten those who did such atrocity in his auspices...yet it has not. Just proof that a just deity does NOT even exist...your church is living proof of it...Thank you for helping me to provide just such evidence of actuality!
Dust Storm

Minneapolis, MN

#459202 Jul 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Please state your source...thank-u
http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/ IT'S NOT ABOUT CATHOLIC PRIESTS
FACT: Catholic priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other males in the general population.
Read more

Newsweek magazine, April 7, 2010:

Missing and Exploited Children …

"Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it’s closer to one in 5 …

"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations … It's been that way for decades."

USA Today, June 6, 2010:

"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not constitute scientific methodology."
– Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University.

2THE GRAND CONSPIRACY THAT WASN'T
FACT: You would never know it from the media's lurid coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church – like every other institution at the time – simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.
Read more


Catholic Church Abuse Graph 1970-2009

From the 1950s through the 1970s, the Catholic Church, following the then-prevailing societal practice, sent suspected abusers to psychologists rather than calling the police.

In this respect, the Church was far from alone.

When the Church was sending accused priests to psychological treatment, "the criminal justice system was doing the very same thing with convicted offenders – sending them to treatment instead of prison."

"From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for sexual criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States, but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular …

"[T]he science of human sexuality and sexual offending is extraordinarily young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the treatment and supervision of sexual offenders has been discovered since 1985."
– Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.

Yet in almost every media account, the media has failed to provide this important historical context that the Church was following the then-reigning advice of experts in the field to send accused priests to treatment.

"No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing sexual disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
– L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)

Yet these 149 men represent only one-tenth of one percent of all priests who served in the Catholic Church in the United States between 1950 and 2002. Most accused priests (56%) have been the subject of only one allegation.

3THE REAL NEWS: CURRENT ACCUSATIONS AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE EXTREMELY RARE

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#459203 Jul 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/ IT'S NOT ABOUT CATHOLIC PRIESTS
FACT: Catholic priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other males in the general population.
Read more
Newsweek magazine, April 7, 2010:
Missing and Exploited Children …
"Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it’s closer to one in 5 …
"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations … It's been that way for decades."
USA Today, June 6, 2010:
"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not constitute scientific methodology."
– Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University.
2THE GRAND CONSPIRACY THAT WASN'T
FACT: You would never know it from the media's lurid coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church – like every other institution at the time – simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.
Read more
Catholic Church Abuse Graph 1970-2009
From the 1950s through the 1970s, the Catholic Church, following the then-prevailing societal practice, sent suspected abusers to psychologists rather than calling the police.
In this respect, the Church was far from alone.
When the Church was sending accused priests to psychological treatment, "the criminal justice system was doing the very same thing with convicted offenders – sending them to treatment instead of prison."
"From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for sexual criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States, but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular …
"[T]he science of human sexuality and sexual offending is extraordinarily young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the treatment and supervision of sexual offenders has been discovered since 1985."
– Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.
Yet in almost every media account, the media has failed to provide this important historical context that the Church was following the then-reigning advice of experts in the field to send accused priests to treatment.
"No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing sexual disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
– L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)
Yet these 149 men represent only one-tenth of one percent of all priests who served in the Catholic Church in the United States between 1950 and 2002. Most accused priests (56%) have been the subject of only one allegation.
3THE REAL NEWS: CURRENT ACCUSATIONS AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE EXTREMELY RARE
Any fool can look up the record and find that the incident of HIV is 4 times higher in your church structure than in the society in which it operates.
Who do you think you are fooling?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#459204 Jul 5, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/ IT'S NOT ABOUT CATHOLIC PRIESTS
FACT: Catholic priests abuse at a rate far lower than that of other males in the general population.
Read more
Newsweek magazine, April 7, 2010:
Missing and Exploited Children …
"Experts disagree on the rate of sexual abuse among the general American male population, but Allen says a conservative estimate is one in 10. Margaret Leland Smith, a researcher at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, says her review of the numbers indicates it’s closer to one in 5 …
"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations … It's been that way for decades."
USA Today, June 6, 2010:
"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not constitute scientific methodology."
– Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University.
2THE GRAND CONSPIRACY THAT WASN'T
FACT: You would never know it from the media's lurid coverage, but the vast bulk of reported cases of abuse stem only from a historical anomaly, as most allegations occurred during only a small sliver of time during the Sexual Revolution from the 1960s to the early 1980s. And despite media suggestions of dark conspiracies and cover-ups, the Church – like every other institution at the time – simply followed the then-prevailing view of experts in the field that offenders could be successfully rehabilitated and sent accused priests off for treatment, rather than reporting them to police, which resulted in a temporary spike in recidivism.
Read more
Catholic Church Abuse Graph 1970-2009
From the 1950s through the 1970s, the Catholic Church, following the then-prevailing societal practice, sent suspected abusers to psychologists rather than calling the police.
In this respect, the Church was far from alone.
When the Church was sending accused priests to psychological treatment, "the criminal justice system was doing the very same thing with convicted offenders – sending them to treatment instead of prison."
"From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for sexual criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States, but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular …
"[T]he science of human sexuality and sexual offending is extraordinarily young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the treatment and supervision of sexual offenders has been discovered since 1985."
– Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.
Yet in almost every media account, the media has failed to provide this important historical context that the Church was following the then-reigning advice of experts in the field to send accused priests to treatment.
"No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing sexual disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
– L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)
Yet these 149 men represent only one-tenth of one percent of all priests who served in the Catholic Church in the United States between 1950 and 2002. Most accused priests (56%) have been the subject of only one allegation.
3THE REAL NEWS: CURRENT ACCUSATIONS AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE EXTREMELY RARE
ANY fool can look up the fact that the incident of HIV is 4 times higher in your church structure than in the society in which it resides.
WHO do you think you are fooling?
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#459205 Jul 5, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>Please state your source...thank-u
We were talking about Dust Storms link. So that would be my source.
Amazing huh? The media balloons every single accusation to smear the Church so bigots like Black 42 and Michael can eat it up.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#459206 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
We were talking about Dust Storms link. So that would be my source.
Amazing huh? The media balloons every single accusation to smear the Church so bigots like Black 42 and Michael can eat it up.
I am not a bigot. I am an interpreter of rhetoric, much of which is blasphemy of the ALL.
You are a great contribute to that cause.
You despise truth and actuality, else you would address it with proof to the contrary...you do not...

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459207 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just what "religious cult" have you deluded yourself into believing that I exist?
My guess is, you don't explain the connection of Jesus and the Essenes as does the following author.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>

Jesus and the Essenes

At the time when the Master Jesus was present among his disciples, he had already named the Master St. John as the leader of and the person responsible for this inner and secret School. It is the Master St. John who was put in charge of teaching in this School and of ensuring that the exercises were done correctly.

Thereafter, the Master St. John continued his task, even after Jesus' departure. He remained faithful and opened inner Schools in most European countries. These Schools continued to exist in secret and have propagated themselves right up to our own time, keeping Christ's teaching pure, exactly as the Essenes had kept pure Moses' secret and authentic teaching. Today, parts of this Teaching and of its techniques are being extended to the outside world because a new time of harvesting and sowing has arrived.

http://www.essenespirit.com/jesus.html



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He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#459208 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
So you admit that Atheism is a religion now?
It most certainly is .
And they use it to club Christian s in every venue they can.

Travelling thousands of miles to protest a nativity long held tradition..on the basis it offends them.

IF they font like what the people on the town..who pay actual taxes there...They should stay HOME. THEY WON'T see anything t h at offends their delicate sensibilities

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459209 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
The universe has always existed...just not as the "matter" you know of in 3 dimensions.
Just as do those in other religions, you have a theory. And theory is not proof.

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#459210 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
We were talking about Dust Storms link. So that would be my source.
Amazing huh? The media balloons every single accusation to smear the Church so bigots like Black 42 and Michael can eat it up.
Do take notice Seraphima, that he still did not provide a source for his rhetoric...
That is all I need to say --isn't it?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459211 Jul 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not a bigot. I am an interpreter of rhetoric, much of which is blasphemy of the ALL.
What do you mean by the "ALL?"

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#459212 Jul 5, 2013
Mark wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree.
We should study reality in stead of antiquated books about reality with all kind of backward ideas that do immeasurable harm to life on earth. Christianity was created for a slave society in which their was no escape from suffering. That is why it is safety pod to leave the planet, and they do not care about this world. Lets make a world in which people can be happy and let the doom thinking die.
All religion was created to enslave the minds of humans, and it succeeded.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#459213 Jul 5, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
True, the thought of a vile Priest handling the consecrated host makes me ill.
But that's on him not me. He'll have to deal with God. Jesus doesn't hold back His gift in the Eucharist based on the moral standing of the Priest.
Clay here is a real question.

Many Christians of all denominations sin.

But if taking the Eucharist every day or week is supposed to reinvigorate and renew Jedi s inside you ..how can a Catholic ..supposedly a regular recipient ..be vile and nasty t o people .

You do not post this way ..But I know at least one who clobbered people with lies and a accusations because they do not agree eith her take on things .And I mean vile things

Just cannot reconcile t hat the Eucharist as you all take it makes one better than s born again believer

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