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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 692107 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Garden City, MI

#458930 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Clay,do you see here that in the first century there were no p r i e s t s to consecrate the Eucharist? The Mass was not a formed Liturgy in the days of Ignatius of Antioch.How was the elements consecrated? Well they were consecrated,by the only ONE,who can of Himself give to us part of Himself through the Holy Spirit: Jesus Christ,our High Priest.
The whole matter is spiritual in Divine Nature.
Pad, what do you mean there were no Priest in the first century?

Why would you think there were on Priests?

And when do you think the 'Priest' came into existence?
(please don't say Constantine invented the Priesthood)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#458931 Jul 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad, what do you mean there were no Priest in the first century?
Why would you think there were on Priests?
And when do you think the 'Priest' came into existence?
(please don't say Constantine invented the Priesthood)
Whadda bouit Clay??????

Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
It ain't our fault some Protesters showed up and put a false label on our Bible. You may think by doing that, you just established a truth. In reality, you opened up a doctrinal mess that is ever evolving.
Truth is truth, Ox.
Jesus Christ never established a Bible for the foundation of His Ministry. He established a visible hierarchal Church that is still here today. This same Church established a Bible 400 yrs after the crucifixion.
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"It ain't our fault some Protesters showed up and put a false label on our Bible."

Who are the "protesters" and what false label did they put on your Bible....

There are as many versions of the Bible as there are lies taught by the Catholics...which one of these versions is your bible??
Pad

Rockford, IL

#458932 Jul 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
But and however....Catholics say the Bible is not the only Word of God!!!!! They say their "traditions" and their "magnastrium" (misspelled am sure)are also the Word of God....So, they can "trump" and Scripture they want by evoking these two other sources of the Word of God...that they...and only they have!!!!!
And they have the gall to say that Christ is the redeemer of the world!!! Imagine that!!!!Christ, a Jew on earth for thirty-three years or so, of the Race that God repeatedly calls His chosen, has abandoned them and because He favors the Catholics, and only the Catholics, He gave them "the inside track" that only they have!!!!
Well as the Jews were chosen,that does not surprise me that the Catholics feel they are the NEW,"CHOSEN". However, to be chosen now is to follow a spiritual mandate,not a physical one which is defined by myriads of religious books and canons.Subsequently,since our history of Christianity is mostly encased in either Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy,those constituents naturely consider that they are the chosen,or elect of the Lord.

It is quite obvious from Scripture that Spiritual rebirth is what defines being c h o s e n.A reality of repentance from sin,turning to God,recieving His Only Begotten Son.That causes the Holy Spirit to put an indellible Mark as it were of the Blood of Christ on those who convert to Christ and become HIS,by virtue of w h a t HE did on Calvary.

Since the only religion of God was and still IS Judaism by virtue of being the ELECT,the Christians become chosen by entering in spiritually through Christ.We are basically grafted in to the same ROOT or BRANCH who is Christ the JEW from the Chosen Seed.Jesus was and is still of the Chosen Elect the JEW,the HEBREW meaning He passed over.JESUS paid the ultimate price,that no other Jew was able to do.BUT that does not mean His Jewishness,or humanity was relinquished from Him.Praise His Holy Name!

Our faith in Christ is not encassed in a religious structure,or a building built with hands,but a living organism of the Holy Man Christ Jesus,who Is God Incarnate,Son of the Father,and declared to the human race through the Power of the Holy Spirit.We are so blessed,but we also are very accountable as well!
Pad

Rockford, IL

#458933 Jul 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Pad, what do you mean there were no Priest in the first century?
Why would you think there were on Priests?
And when do you think the 'Priest' came into existence?
(please don't say Constantine invented the Priesthood)
No Constantine did not invent anything to do with the Body of Christ.But what he did was to politicize and institution of religious practices,or the legalization of such that ultimately established what we see todate of a priest run religion.

You cannot deny that.The term and office of a priest before Constantine was different from the priest of the first three centuries of persecuted Christians,constantly hounded by Rome.

However what did the book of Hebrews state as the royal priesthood,we are all priests,and kings as it were.As saints we all inherit the spiritual legacy of the priesthood of Christ,not Judaism the Levitical priesthood which offered daily oblations of animal sacrifices before JEHOVAH.The greatest sacrifice being the Lamb of God,AND we both Know the only sacrifice that was COMPLETE,was that of Jesus(Y'shua) Christ(Ha Moshiach).

We offer the sacrifice of PRAISE to the LORD our God,He requires our hearts,not sacrifices of animals to appease His wrath against our sin.That is finished,and JESUS did not say "It is finished" because He was done,but that He accomplished through His death the Final Sacrifice for Sin,HIMSELF.

There is no call in the New Testament to continue the oblations of offering our Lord Jesus Christ to His Father for sin.ONCE and for all,are the words that show to us that Christ completed His role for the salvation of humanity from sin and death.

Priests according to the New Testament are all the saints offering sacrifices of praises to God our Father for His Holy Son,who "Finished" the Sacrifices for sin ALONE through HIS own Blood and Broken Body,the stripes on His back bring healing to the Body of Christ.

A priest ordained to offer our Lord up to the Father as a blood-less sacrifice is not Scriptural,nor was it a requirement made by our Lord to continue.Paul the Apostle never mentioned such in all his epistles,and most of all PETER the Apostle never instituted it or mentioned it.

The Book of Hebrews twice mentions the complete sacrifice,DONE,Finished,no more to be made.JESUS did it Himself, when do men have the right to offer our Lord back to the Father for sin,when JESUS paid the ultimate price,HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE!He can also take it up,as He said.We can corporately ask for forgiveness,and cry out to the Lord for mercy for our transgressions,but JESUS already paid the price for those sins to be remitted,and cleansed from our souls.

This priesthood of offering Christ as a sin offering to the Father is not Scriptural,only the Levites were required to offer animal sacrifices for sin."Jesus paid it all,all to Him I owe."We offer our own lives as a sacrifice of praise to HIM.There is nothing in the Word that tells or even suggests that we offer Christ again and again as an oblation for sin.AGAIN as priests we offer ourselves as LIVING sacrifices,read Romans 12.That is the greatest praise to our God our Father,ourselves consecrated by His Son who already PAID the price for our souls!
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#458934 Jul 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Whadda bouit Clay??????
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
It ain't our fault some Protesters showed up and put a false label on our Bible. You may think by doing that, you just established a truth. In reality, you opened up a doctrinal mess that is ever evolving.
Truth is truth, Ox.
Jesus Christ never established a Bible for the foundation of His Ministry. He established a visible hierarchal Church that is still here today. This same Church established a Bible 400 yrs after the crucifixion.
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"It ain't our fault some Protesters showed up and put a false label on our Bible."
Who are the "protesters" and what false label did they put on your Bible....
There are as many versions of the Bible as there are lies taught by the Catholics...which one of these versions is your bible??
You already know my answer.

The reformers put the false label of 'sola scripture' into Christianity. Its a lie. Christ never taught such a thing and neither did His Apostles.
This misinformed error has caused countless cults and religions to form that appear to be Christianity, but are very foreign to what the Apostles preach.
God - in His infinite goodness - still blesses the Pads, Marges and Roses of the world. Its not their fault they were led into deception. The crooks who stole the faith and knowingly preached a different Christianity are the guilty ones.
That's why it Would have been better for you to never come on this forum to try and tackle Catholicsm. Now you've got a dilemma...of course, by now its apparent what you'll do with this problem. You'll completely ignore it, so God won't see your conscience I guess.
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#458935 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>No Constantine did not invent anything to do with the Body of Christ.But what he did was to politicize and institution of religious practices,or the legalization of such that ultimately established what
Snipped because your post was long.

The Priesthood before Constantine is the same as after Constantine.

Yes, the Catholic Church teaches that we are all Priests.(see the catechism)

But the Apostles set aside a Sacramental Priesthood.
Ignatius of Antioch also alluded to the hierarchy of the first century:

"Do all things in harmony with God, with the Bishop presiding in the place of God and the Priests in place of the council of the Apostles and the Deacons -who are so dear to me- entrusted with the business of Jesus Christ, who was with the father from the beginning and is at last made manifest."
letter to the magnesians

Wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#458936 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Well as the Jews were chosen,that does not surprise me that the Catholics feel they are the NEW,"CHOSEN". However, to be chosen now is to follow a spiritual mandate,not a physical one which is defined by myriads of religious books and canons.Subsequently,since our history of Christianity is mostly encased in either Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy,those constituents naturely consider that they are the chosen,or elect of the Lord.
It is quite obvious from Scripture that Spiritual rebirth is what defines being c h o s e n.A reality of repentance from sin,turning to God,recieving His Only Begotten Son.That causes the Holy Spirit to put an indellible Mark as it were of the Blood of Christ on those who convert to Christ and become HIS,by virtue of w h a t HE did on Calvary.
Since the only religion of God was and still IS Judaism by virtue of being the ELECT,the Christians become chosen by entering in spiritually through Christ.We are basically grafted in to the same ROOT or BRANCH who is Christ the JEW from the Chosen Seed.Jesus was and is still of the Chosen Elect the JEW,the HEBREW meaning He passed over.JESUS paid the ultimate price,that no other Jew was able to do.BUT that does not mean His Jewishness,or humanity was relinquished from Him.Praise His Holy Name!
Our faith in Christ is not encassed in a religious structure,or a building built with hands,but a living organism of the Holy Man Christ Jesus,who Is God Incarnate,Son of the Father,and declared to the human race through the Power of the Holy Spirit.We are so blessed,but we also are very accountable as well!
"Since the only religion of God was and still IS Judaism by virtue of being the ELECT,the Christians become chosen by entering in spiritually through Christ."

No....no...Christ established Christianity...The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.

"Christ Jesus,who Is God Incarnate" No...no..As the Catholics so well teach: Jesus Christ the incarnate Son of God...

As Scripture teaches:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).

For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).

Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)

And there are many many many other verses that teach the same message.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#458937 Jul 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You already know my answer.
The reformers put the false label of 'sola scripture' into Christianity. Its a lie. Christ never taught such a thing and neither did His Apostles.
This misinformed error has caused countless cults and religions to form that appear to be Christianity, but are very foreign to what the Apostles preach.
God - in His infinite goodness - still blesses the Pads, Marges and Roses of the world. Its not their fault they were led into deception. The crooks who stole the faith and knowingly preached a different Christianity are the guilty ones.
That's why it Would have been better for you to never come on this forum to try and tackle Catholicsm. Now you've got a dilemma...of course, by now its apparent what you'll do with this problem. You'll completely ignore it, so God won't see your conscience I guess.
You said: "It ain't our fault some Protesters showed up and put a false label on our Bible."

I asked: Who are the "protesters" and what false label did they put on your Bible....

You have never answered that question....plus, now the protester are the reformers....so who are these reformers???

Plus the "false label" they put on your Bible turns out to be sola scripture into Christianity!!!!!!

Ah also asked: There are as many versions of the Bible as there are lies taught by the Catholics...which one of these versions is your bible??

You have not answered that question..
Pad

Rockford, IL

#458938 Jul 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
A same-sex marriage between the two men Pedro Díaz and Muño Vandilaz in the Galician municipality of Rairiz de Veiga in Spain occurred on April 16, 1061. They were married by a priest at a small chapel. The historic documents about the church wedding were found at Monastery of San Salvador de Celanova.[61]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriag ...
Not surprising,but understandable as well.You know that the ability to love another human being is also very much part of us all.

Two individuals who love each other,like brothers or sisters and so on does not end there we know that.No doubt that the desire for two men or two women to connect and be with each other for a life time,and to share sexually must have been since the beginning of time.

Laws of countries have always been against such a union,and even heathen societies rejected open unions,although there might have been private ones existing in secret.

If my own account of history is correct,that of which I read studied and viewed.Heathen cultures rejected open male to male relationships that included sex.There might have been exceptions,and mutterings of rumor about those relationships,but heathen cultures kept the same-sex relationships under cover,and openly gays and lesbians were ridiculed and even killed at times.Ancient courts tried homosexuals and put many to death.Homosexuality was fashionable amongst the rich,elite of Greece,but in the everyday life styles of Greek citizens,it was abhorred and considered a mental defect.

Soldiers of Ancient cultures that were Pagan would kill a man who confronted them with sexual desire.Homosexuality has always been taboo in most cultures,whether in Europe,or Africa,or the Middle East,and Far East.Private rich citizens hid it under their roofs,and many of them would have sex with male slaves,but it was considered a curse to the run of the mill.

Even in the writings of Spartacus,there is mention of a slave who was favored by his owner because of his looks.The slave went to Spartacus to escape his master,and his sexual advances,the other men honored the slave for seeking to get away from that Master.

Many think it was just religions like Judaism and Christianity that rejected homosexuality,Islam does,and even moreso it punishes gays with beatings,and in some countries with hanging,PRESENT DAY.

Hindus have some gods that favor homosexuality,but the majority of Hindu men abhor such and often are known to have bashed gays,and even killed some.

Far east Asians may not seem abhorent to gays,but even in Buddhist monasteries there are strict penalties for those monks who are caught having relations with each other,often they are forced to leave the community.

Communists in both the former Soviet Union and in China incarcerate homosexuals,and keep them from having decent jobs if they are known.Homosexuality has been considered part of the bourgsoise by ardent Communists,part of the cancer that infects the Dialetic of pure Communism.In other words it was considered Capitalistic.

The Nazis forced homosexuals to wear arm bands to identify them,so they could mistreat them,and persecute them undaunted.Many Nazis viciously brutalized gay men,and lesbian women.

Religion may have its view of the relationship as being distasteful or abnormal,but non-religious Communism and Nazism has often done far worse to gays,treating them with greater disdain,and death.

I personally do not believe that no matter how much people may openly claim they do not care about homosexuality,they secretly do not have any respect for it,and often you will see in crowds of youth and so on mocking of gays,and that is not inspired by religious fervor,but a common abhorence for the life style by heterosexuals in general.
Clay

Garden City, MI

#458939 Jul 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You said: "It ain't our fault some Protesters showed up and put a false label on our Bible."
I asked: Who are the "protesters" and what false label did they put on your Bible....
You have never answered that question....plus, now the protester are the reformers....so who are these reformers???
Plus the "false label" they put on your Bible turns out to be sola scripture into Christianity!!!!!!
Ah also asked: There are as many versions of the Bible as there are lies taught by the Catholics...which one of these versions is your bible??
You have not answered that question..
Go play with someone elses religion.
Rumor has it, the Mormons have a bible too.

we've exhausted all avenues here. Let your words stand before God just as mine will.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#458940 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>You do speak with forked tongue June.Sorry,but the reality is we all are wicked to the core of our being.
Well it's nice that you finally admit that you ARE wicked rather than holy.

That puts us on a level "playing" field.

Now ... if only Jesus would stop loving Christians as being more special than the Jews ... you and I could get along quite well.

:)

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#458941 Jul 4, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
And what scripture did Jesus know, since not a word of the NT was written in his lifetime.
That's right. The Hebrew Bible.
Oops.
Had Jesus existed, his story would have been quite a variation from that told by the Catholics.

By the way, are you aware that pope Frances is converting to a world religion, where even Atheists are pleasing the sensitive "nature" of that finicky Jew name of Jesus???

:)

It's quite a revealing revelation.

I wish at least one news reporter had the nerve to ask the new Catholic pope when "time-wise" he received this new word from Jesus.

Jesus appears to be turning over a "new leaf."

:)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#458942 Jul 4, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Go play with someone elses religion.
Rumor has it, the Mormons have a bible too.
we've exhausted all avenues here. Let your words stand before God just as mine will.
You are forever getting egg all over your face....and putting your foot in your mouth....that happens when adults have the mind of a child and tries to articulate with grown-ups...
Pad

Rockford, IL

#458943 Jul 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
"Since the only religion of God was and still IS Judaism by virtue of being the ELECT,the Christians become chosen by entering in spiritually through Christ."
No....no...Christ established Christianity...The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.
"Christ Jesus,who Is God Incarnate" No...no..As the Catholics so well teach: Jesus Christ the incarnate Son of God...
As Scripture teaches:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
And there are many many many other verses that teach the same message.
The whole message of Christ is to have you to believe in Him,who was sent by the Father.Who is His biological Father Oxbow? So basically you must reject the Trinity as well!

Trust me I understand your thought or belief. You are in good company here are some of the religions who reject the Deity of Christ:

Judaism,Islam,Bahaism,Spiritua lism,Hinduism,Buddhism,Zoroast rianism,Sihkism,Cao Daism,DEISM,Christian Science,Mormonism,Animism..... .....

The list goes on.But the truth of the matter is,Jesus said of Himself"Before Abraham,I AM." He has the only claim of KNOWING the Father.The relationship between He and the Father is very clear in John chapter 17,no angel can attest to that,even though they do know the Father more than we do,that is not hard to understand.But Jesus is called the only Begotten of the Father,meaning that He was not created by Him,but begotten of the same ESSENCE with the Father.The Father's DNA as it were is in Jesus,the Word.

Jesus is the only ONE to be called the Savior as one with the Father,IN ISAIAH we find that only the Father claims He is the Savior,also in Micah as well God is the only Savior.In Isaiah God warns that NONE can be compared to Him,yet Jesus throughout the New Testament is compared to the Father through being the Savior,and that in Philippians,He is bowed to,and every tongue will confess that He is Lord(every knee shall bow to Him). In Isaiah God is also bowed to and every tongue will confess that He is LORD. Jesus never said I am God,but than again He would not have made it to the Cross if He did declare Himself God,and the proving of such would had to have occurred before an unbelieving vile nation as Israel had become under Roman Occupation.

Jesus if not God Oxbow,He is a superhuman or literally a superman.He as a man could not become the only great sacrifice for our sins,what I mean is that no flesh can stand before God worthy of being the salvation of God.Jesus was worthy to become the only Salvation for human kind,because He IS God,but yet He became sin for us,which is indicative of the inheritance of sin through the human race by ADAM. Another point here Oxbow,JESUS, had to be born of a VIRGIN,and no human being could ever be so.AGAIN Jesus being God had to be the only human sacrifice GOD would allow to appease His wrath for eternity.There would be no human man who could be sacrificed for the sins of the whole world,only God could absorb such a magnitude of sin as in the Person of Jesus,God Incarnate.

Jesus is God by virtue of the fact that He alone is the only Man that was sinless,for it was from Adam we inherit our sin.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#458944 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>Not surprising,but understandable as well.You know that the ability to love another human being is also very much part of us all.
It's too bad you weren't around for all those centuries when Christians were burning homosexuals at that stake.

I'll bet YOU would have straightened those Christians out and told them that it wasn't love that was moving their emotions to violence.

You would have done that just before they burned YOU at the stake.

History proved over and over that it was not at all safe to be around the Christian mobs that were intent on following Jesus' will!

Sarcasm intended.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#458945 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The whole message of Christ is to have you to believe in Him.
I don't believe in Jesus, and the pope says that Jesus has now redeemed Atheists.

Wasn't that NICE of the pope and Jesus to agree on that subject???

:)

Now if Atheists that simply do good and yet don't believe in Jesus can slip under the radar as being worthy of entering heaven ... things are REALLY "looking UP!"

What a shame that all those Atheists were burned at the stake.

It seems those scriptural word-processing human-animals got their wires "crossed."

NO humor intended!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#458946 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are wicked, why are you still using the words in a bible to try to save others?

If I do good, I pass the approval of Jesus.

Did you receive that message from on high ... or was that only given direct to the pope?

:)
Pad

Rockford, IL

#458947 Jul 4, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Well it's nice that you finally admit that you ARE wicked rather than holy.
That puts us on a level "playing" field.
Now ... if only Jesus would stop loving Christians as being more special than the Jews ... you and I could get along quite well.
:)
:)
God is no respector of persons,that is a truth of God as He created all flesh and blood the same.Jews and Christians are not on either side of God's wrath or LOVE.I personally do not like the word wrath,but seeing humanity as vile as we have been and yet to become,God must have a wrath to deal with the wickedness.For one,the human traffiking of children for the sexual pleasure of men,is without a doubt one of the worse sins in our decade of time.No one can fathom the disrespect and humiliation of innocents for the convenience of sexually depraved men.

I know that abortion is an old hat subject to many,but for the convenience of both men and women who go to bed together for however long of a period,find themselves with child,and instead of using contraception,they opt for avile surgery of removing a live fetus from a womb,which includes killing the unborn child.This describes our society as one which kills its most vulnerable,and seemingly without mercy.Yet we quake over the merciless killing of people in wars and so on.

Yes we are sinners,and we will be held accountable!

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#458948 Jul 4, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>The whole message of Christ is to have you to believe in Him,who was sent by the Father.Who is His biological Father Oxbow? So basically you must reject the Trinity as well!
Trust me I understand your thought or belief. You are in good company here are some of the religions who reject the Deity of Christ:
Judaism,Islam,Bahaism,Spiritua lism,Hinduism,Buddhism,Zoroast rianism,Sihkism,Cao Daism,DEISM,Christian Science,Mormonism,Animism..... .....
The list goes on.But the truth of the matter is,Jesus said of Himself"Before Abraham,I AM." He has the only claim of KNOWING the Father.The relationship between He and the Father is very clear in John chapter 17,no angel can attest to that,even though they do know the Father more than we do,that is not hard to understand.But Jesus is called the only Begotten of the Father,meaning that He was not created by Him,but begotten of the same ESSENCE with the Father.The Father's DNA as it were is in Jesus,the Word.
Jesus is the only ONE to be called the Savior as one with the Father,IN ISAIAH we find that only the Father claims He is the Savior,also in Micah as well God is the only Savior.In Isaiah God warns that NONE can be compared to Him,yet Jesus throughout the New Testament is compared to the Father through being the Savior,and that in Philippians,He is bowed to,and every tongue will confess that He is Lord(every knee shall bow to Him). In Isaiah God is also bowed to and every tongue will confess that He is LORD. Jesus never said I am God,but than again He would not have made it to the Cross if He did declare Himself God,and the proving of such would had to have occurred before an unbelieving vile nation as Israel had become under Roman Occupation.
Jesus if not God Oxbow,He is a superhuman or literally a superman.He as a man could not become the only great sacrifice for our sins,what I mean is that no flesh can stand before God worthy of being the salvation of God.Jesus was worthy to become the only Salvation for human kind,because He IS God,but yet He became sin for us,which is indicative of the inheritance of sin through the human race by ADAM. Another point here Oxbow,JESUS, had to be born of a VIRGIN,and no human being could ever be so.AGAIN Jesus being God had to be the only human sacrifice GOD would allow to appease His wrath for eternity.There would be no human man who could be sacrificed for the sins of the whole world,only God could absorb such a magnitude of sin as in the Person of Jesus,God Incarnate.
Jesus is God by virtue of the fact that He alone is the only Man that was sinless,for it was from Adam we inherit our sin.
The Holy Trinity before Christ was incarnated: God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit...

The Holy Trinity while Christ was incarnated: God the Father, the incarnate Son, the Holy Spirit..

The Holy Trinity after Christ ascended into Heaven: God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit.

Show me the Holy Trinity....at any time that shows Jesus Christ as being God....
Clay

Garden City, MI

#458949 Jul 4, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
You are forever getting egg all over your face....and putting your foot in your mouth....that happens when adults have the mind of a child and tries to articulate with grown-ups...
Yeah that's it.. you got me.

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