Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

Jul 10, 2007 Read more: CBC News 582,711
The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457567 Jun 29, 2013
From my perspective, a creator that would allow suffering in his creation could never be trusted, as the suffering would BE for the creator's bullying enjoyment.

"But I was assured if I worshipped you, you would reward me with eternal bliss."

"And you believed those lies??? You will now get what I choose to give you ... not what you demand of ME. I am NOT your play-thing as you thought was the truth when you were on earth. How do you like those "apples?"
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#457568 Jun 29, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
ReginaM
Yes. I was aware of this as well.
I think this thread is tame, because on others, there are people wildly out of control, and this one is "tame", and they(seeking to be out of control) get a certain rise out of the newcomers, but old-timers keep their cool. And so the thread stays pretty calm when "they" leave.
Its sort of like learning who you can talk with, without some sort of serious tirade....So those interested in sharing, do so with a certain caution.
Unfortunately, I didn't practice that certain caution. Now I know better. There's only one reason for any non-Catholic to be on this thread...and it has nothing to do with sharing. They have an agenda, a goal that they will accomplish no matter how they have to do it. They have no boundaries and will say anything. God help the person who objects.
Over the years I've seen Catholics literally run off this thread by these vicious animals. They lied about them, took their words out of context, hounded them mercilessly. They want free reign and when they don't get it they make the worst sinner look like a saint in comparison. You can't tell me about this bunch, I've seen too much here. Maybe it is tamer, but only just. I fear there are a lot of Napoleon complexes at work here, lol. You can always tell.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#457569 Jun 29, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
The proof, I think, is overwhelming, especially in the case of 2 Peter. I've often posted a list I compiled in about half an hour of qualified authors who hold 2 Peter bogus or even go so far as to say it is all but universally held so in at least critical scholarship. I won't post it again. But here's the permalink:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
As for Peter instructing someone to write it, that is a common apology. But the letter is widely recognized as dating deep into the 2nd century, which forbids that, as does its heavy reliance -- it's copying wholesale -- from Jude, also a 2nd century pseudograph.
But I get that it doesn't matter to some folks. The community to which you belong and the comfort you derive from your faith outweighs problems like this.
I think you are absolutely correct...most noteworthy, is that you have taken the time to research it extensively. However, your effort is unappreciated by the "induced" subjugates.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457570 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are witnessing the "bashing bible" in action. The bible isn't in itself, to blame... it is the entity that utilizes it.
The entities that wrote the bible and claimed it was truth from a god ARE to blame.

From my perception theologians of all religions were and are truth-less wonders.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#457571 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe that at all. I don't think you are intelligent enough to not be caught up in your lies...that's more likely the reason you have suffered any disdain.
Oh, go grow a few inches first. You aren't tall enough to talk to me.

(Robert, scroll past this.)

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457572 Jun 29, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
June:
I agree. Except not everyone has to agree with me, nor do I think you offend, or am I personally offended by your beliefs.(Of course, most on here do not have experiences in common.)
Thats a done deal with me.... Kind of a pre-requisite.
Welcome to my side.(smiles)
I always go back to your Catholic belief of how you will be saved and others will go to hell.

I don't respect your belief, nor do I respect your slovenly laziness of staying in such a belief.

So I hope you have that straight in your own mind. I am NOT in any way, shape or form on YOUR SIDE!

I don't pretend to respect beliefs that I don't respect.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457573 Jun 29, 2013
What God lacks is convictions- stability of character. He ought to be a Presbyterian or a Catholic or something- not try to be everything.
- Notebook, 1898
Mark Twain

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457574 Jun 29, 2013
God was created by evolution, inside the imagination of a primate.

Steve Fowler

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#457575 Jun 29, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I am Orthodox.Sure people see the "rituals". However what it is all about is Personal Relationship with Christ. Without that the rituals are empty.For many people.Christ is in my heart.He is with me by my side through the joys and the heartaches of life- and I have had many of both. This in fact is what the "Born Agains" can offer the Catholic and the Orthodox.Personal Relationsjip with Christ. Though many Orthodox do not know it, that is the bottom line of Orthodoxy- Theosis.
Some "use" ritual(because they do not possess the capability of knowledge, understanding, and ability to surpass it) in their religious quest.
The same is true in Pagan traditions. Wicca etc. use "ritual for the same reason. The "wizard" has little or no need for the practice of ritual.
I expect you understand what I am relating.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457576 Jun 29, 2013
Words have the ability to stir and manipulate emotions.

Concerning what we choose to believe, the onus is on us.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >

The following is one part Thomas Moore’s poem…..”Farewell but Whenever”, also called “The Scent of the Roses.”

Let fate do her worst, there are relics of joy
Bright dreams of the past which she cannot destroy;
That come in the night-time of sorrow and care
And bring back the features that joy used to wear.
Long, long be my heart with such memories filled
As the vase in which roses have once been distilled.
You may break, you may shatter the vase if you will,
But the scent of the roses will hang ‘round it still.
LineDazzle

Saint Asaph, UK

#457577 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
Some "use" ritual(because they do not possess the capability of knowledge, understanding, and ability to surpass it) in their religious quest.
The same is true in Pagan traditions. Wicca etc. use "ritual for the same reason. The "wizard" has little or no need for the practice of ritual.
I expect you understand what I am relating.
Remember me?

I used to post as Largelanguage, yes, who you call Lunger.

You are thick! Did I scare you away from the "Prove there's a god" thread?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#457578 Jun 29, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I have to agree with that. The other Catholic's here do not personally attack us with insults and name calling as she is so famous for. She makes the other Catholic's in this forum look bad.
"Dusty" is one of the most hateful religionists I have ever encountered.
Regina is not all that far behind in the race.
Neither can discuss anything in a rational manner.
There are two Jesuit idiots in Georgia that also are in contention for first prize in the "winners circle"... and a couple of lesser contenders in Cali. that must surely be registered in the race.

Since: Sep 09

Vanderhoof, Canada

#457579 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
The "wizard" has little or no need for the practice of ritual.
I expect you understand what I am relating.
I don't!

Please explain!

Are you indicating that you are a wizard who has solved long sought-after mysteries?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#457580 Jun 29, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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~~~
The Roman Catholics live and base their whole whole religious existence upon a lie...
They condemn others, rave and rant about the importance of their
Eucharist ....THEY TEACH THAT COMMUNION KEEPS THEM SAVED....YET THEY
IN THEIR HALF HEART ED FACADE TAKE A BLOODLESS COMMUNION...
THERE IA NO SUCH THING AS A PART TIME CHRISTIAN...AND MORE THAN THERE IS
A PART TIME PREGNANCY...
THEY ARE PROXY CHRISTIANS..
the pope is between them and Jesus...
then comes the saints
then Mary stands in there some where..as mediator...
their protocol chain is not scriptural
The Bible says
1Ti_2:5 For there is one God, and
one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;
They claim to be the Bride of Christ yet they have a whole line of little gods between them and Him...that they bow before in their mass.
It's called spiritual adultery and fornication...
Being an ex Catholic of 40 years, I can verificate (new word)the absolute truth in your words.

I witnessed it, in person, I lived it, and at that time in my life, I have been known to physically attack anyone who argued against this false religion to which I was a member of....but never again!!!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#457581 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree...and I can give you all the verses in the bible that can prove that as a fact if you know the history timeline of the church.
Either the bible is lying, or the CC is...simple as that.
Most of it is from Paul's own writings.
well religious people declare the bible infallible, so it must be the people (church) are lying.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#457582 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet---here you are.
You surely must enjoy being in that "lower element" with all the rest of us "dastardly" folks. You is one of us now...jist accept it.
Here...[passes the mason jar of 200 proof], but Regina reaches fer the "ripple" instead. LOL!
...instead of anything from your filthy hands. I wouldn't get on my high horse if I were you, I've seen your friends.
hojo

Chanhassen, MN

#457583 Jun 29, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>your right in the fact that you have "ONLY" true church history, outside of any teachings and writings from church leaders, you have no history at all to support yours and the Vatican's phony belief they are the true church, when they have done more to disgrace god an Jesus than any other church on earth...read history from outside sources and you will not find one ounce of truth anywhere that supports the churches position except it is corrupted and a perverted church, out for nothing but power, money, and total control of the religious world, but thanks to their own stupidity, they won't be around much longer. last I heard was 1 billion an counting. good thing for the church there are third world countries that don't know the truth behind the church, that is why they are going there recruiting for the church, trying to rebuild their dwindling bank accounts, using poor people to try and rebuild the church,taking their last dollar and giving them nothing in return.
The TRUTH Jesus Christ's One True Apostolic Catholic Church has survive, heretics, hypocrites, false teachers and preachers for over 2000 years--and will CONTINUE to do so "despite" those who "hate" the Catholic Church, such as you Jethro8. The Catholic Church, biblically and historically PROVEN,founded and established by Jesus Christ Himself--continues to grow by over 1.5% each and every year (and will continue) to do so, while every bible only Protestant denomination "continues to decline"! WHY?? Because Jesus told us that "the gates of hell" shall not prevail against HIS CHURCH)----You, Jethro8 can say and believe ANYTHING YOU WANT! It becomes "your problem" to deal with---not mine!! YOU ARE THE ONE that is "in a frenzy" and has "emotional hatred" against the TRUTH of Jesus Christs On e TRUE
Catholic Church!.... I'm (totally) at peace with my own faith in Christ, Daily Mass, the Eucharist, and my own Salvation, growing in the TRUTH of over 2000 years of biblical and historical teachings that is manifested itself in and through Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church. I'll remain with the TRUTH! You, Jethro8 can do what you want!!!!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#457584 Jun 29, 2013
A Connecticut priest with a reputation of caring for the poor has shocked his parishioners after being accused of faking a terminal illness to cover up the alleged theft of $1 million from his diocese.

The Rev. Kevin Gray, a 26-year veteran of the Hartford Catholic Diocese, is being investigated by the Waterbury, Conn., police department for allegedly taking money over a seven-year period from a savings fund established for the Sacred Heart parish, money that was to be used for building renovations and church debt, according to the police…

According to Rev. John Gatzak, spokesman, the Hartford Archdiocese became suspicious over the past year as they asked Gray to submit several years’ worth of annual financial reviews from his parish. Gray allegedly said he was unable to complete the reviews because of a serious terminal illness he was battling and asked for more time. Gatzak said that although they gave Gray some leeway and extra time to submit his reports, they began to look at his parish financial records and say they made some troubling discoveries…

Gatzak, 64, said the news has been ever more painful for the parish and it’s parishioners because of the fact that they believed Gray was battling a serious illness, an illness they now believe may have simply been a lie to try and give the priest more time to allegedly cover up the lost funds.
ReginaM

Toms River, NJ

#457585 Jun 29, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Dusty" is one of the most hateful religionists I have ever encountered.
Regina is not all that far behind in the race.
Neither can discuss anything in a rational manner.
There are two Jesuit idiots in Georgia that also are in contention for first prize in the "winners circle"... and a couple of lesser contenders in Cali. that must surely be registered in the race.
Jesuit idiots?? LOL, how rational of you!

Thick, huh? I believe it.

I recognize you but can't place your other names. Your manner has been far too familiar for someone who just showed up a short time ago. I picked it up right from the first. Just as I suspected, another coward. LOLOL......

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#457586 Jun 29, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, I said I wasn't going to argue with you and I'm not. If you were honest you would look to when and where this all started.....Seraphima's post that the Church was an abortion and the Bride of Frankenstein.
You both expected *us* to be silent, to let her say what she will without impunity. You have to defend her, she's your wife. I don't expect anything less from you. None of us does.
That's about the size of it.
It is not their fault that your church is a fraudulent auspices of the church of Jerusalem. They simply(as many others) point out the facts of it's fallacies.
Rather than prove them wrong(because you can't), you people resort to personal defamation and strawman arguments...making complete fools of yourselves in the process.

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