Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456493 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?
What empirical evidence do you want?
If I said "open your window and look around", you would then say "God had no part of the natural world", yes?

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#456494 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Human Being"
June:
In a sense you are true.
But in Christianity, there is an axiom which works...,
When and where Christianity increases, superstition decreases(And the reverse is true, when and where Christianity decreases, superstition increases.)
As a modern for instance, in the U.S., there has been a decline of Christianity, and an increase in paranormal, Wicca, paganism, spiritualism, tarot cards, séances, "eastern meditation", yoga, etc...) All these latter things are superstition oriented
**********
A famous man said on TV this morning (he has written a book about it)'When America was at her peak as a Christian nation, the world was less violent."
KM
I am surprised they did not blleeep that part out..the time is coming !!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456495 Jun 26, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
They have to be the same or they wouldn't carry the same weight or attain the same result.
Scripture doesn't apply value the teachings of Christ according to the medium of the message.

Written isn't of a higher value than what is preached.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456496 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
REMEMBER THIS
YOU MAY PROSPER FOR A TIME...
I hope YOU prosper for all time.

You on the other hand use your biblical scriptures to put curses on me as though a god supports you.

That is what your religion did TO YOU, because of your own arrogance in the will to preach your myths as though YOU will have the last WORD and land in heaven, while I will land in hell.

You are a fool!

By the way ... I don't even wish Islam's concocted hell on you, as I believe it is also a myth created by silly men.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#456497 Jun 26, 2013
who="wilderide"
If God knows I will not eat today (not predict, but know as a fact), then can I do otherwise, and prove God wrong?
As for God's will, it is impossible to oppose the will of an omnipotent deity. Which is why God would also be culpable for evil and sin. G

**********

God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Certainly a fallible person such as yourself cannot prove Him wrong.
Apparently, you think that you have already done so.(Forget it, no one is that smart...and it can be very costly.)

KM
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456498 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan, instead of debating with your own straw man, how about addressing what I actually did say? I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that if this deity acts empirically upon the universe, then there should be empirical evidence for that. What fault do you find in that statement?
.....and it's not a strawman.

What empirical evidence of God would suffice for you?
marge

Ames, IA

#456499 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
marge supplied the verses.
...she also declared oral tradition a "must" in a later post.
Must agree with what is written;

'So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you are judged.'

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456500 Jun 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
June
Nit one believer on this thread has said that JESUS OR JOHN the Baptist converted to anything.
Th e y were Jews ..
And many have told you this..
So why aren't YOU practicing Judaism as do the Jews.

They don't practice Catholicism ... have you noticed???

And by the way, not one of you Catholics or Protestants (on the forum) have stated that Jesus converted to Christianity, but had he not, he would not support Christianity and neither would his mother, or the apostles. Judas was the only faithful Jew, because he would not leave Judaism for Catholicism.

Within Catholic "theology," Jesus and the whole flock of Jews (with the exception of Judas) became converted to Catholicism ... and you KNOW that is true.

Yet you LIE to defend your cult!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456501 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
What empirical evidence do you want?
If I said "open your window and look around", you would then say "God had no part of the natural world", yes?
Open your window and look around, Dan. Can't you see the obvious evidence for Zeus?

If you want to call the laws of physics God, then certainly God exists. If you know of empirical evidence for an interfering deity with an unexplained interest in human affairs, which inspired the Bible and causes "miracles" and answers prayers, then by all means I'm interested in seeing that.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456502 Jun 26, 2013
According to Catholics, Jesus' mother Mary is a "Catholic" saint ... NOT a saint because of being faithful to her religion of Judaism.

Catholics converted her AGAINST her own will!

Silly theology for silly people!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456503 Jun 26, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
Must agree with what is written;
'So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you are judged.'
Oral tradition carried Christianity for centuries.

Do you believe early Christendom to be inferior in substance and/or belief as the teachings had not yet been written?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456504 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="wilderide"
If God knows I will not eat today (not predict, but know as a fact), then can I do otherwise, and prove God wrong?
As for God's will, it is impossible to oppose the will of an omnipotent deity. Which is why God would also be culpable for evil and sin. G
**********
God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Certainly a fallible person such as yourself cannot prove Him wrong.
Apparently, you think that you have already done so.(Forget it, no one is that smart...and it can be very costly.)
KM
If God cannot be proved wrong, and God knows your fate in advance, then you have no free will.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456505 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
So why aren't YOU practicing Judaism as do the Jews.
They don't practice Catholicism ... have you noticed???
And by the way, not one of you Catholics or Protestants (on the forum) have stated that Jesus converted to Christianity, but had he not, he would not support Christianity and neither would his mother, or the apostles. Judas was the only faithful Jew, because he would not leave Judaism for Catholicism.
Within Catholic "theology," Jesus and the whole flock of Jews (with the exception of Judas) became converted to Catholicism ... and you KNOW that is true.
Yet you LIE to defend your cult!
LOLOL.

Who on this board (besides you) has asserted that Jesus "converted" from Judaism?

You're a straight-up riot, June.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456506 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
God cannot be proven 'wrong', because He is perfectly 'right'.
Then he made the right choice the first time he inspired men to write the words that the Jews were his chosen few ... RIGHT???

He didn't need Catholics to write lies in a new testament to make their selves the center of attention.

And he doesn't need you as a Protestant to USE the lies written by the Catholics to make your self the center of attention.

Do you GET that idea, or will the god that belongs to the Jews have to smarten you up in his own way???

tongue in cheek

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456507 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
.....and it's not a strawman.
What empirical evidence of God would suffice for you?
Well, we could start with the efficacy of prayer.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#456508 Jun 26, 2013
Hey Dan, are you a Catholic? If so, can you explain the whole Mary thing? She has such a small role in the Bible, yet such an outsized role in the Catholic church. I don't get it.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 55:11--"MATT 10:27"

#456509 Jun 26, 2013
who="June VanDerMark"
So why aren't YOU practicing Judaism as do the Jews.
They don't practice Catholicism ... have you noticed???
And by the way, not one of you Catholics or Protestants (on the forum) have stated that Jesus converted to Christianity, but had he not, he would not support Christianity and neither would his mother, or the apostles. Judas was the only faithful Jew, because he would not leave Judaism for Catholicism.
Within Catholic "theology," Jesus and the whole flock of Jews (with the exception of Judas) became converted to Catholicism ... and you KNOW that is true.
Yet you LIE to defend your cult!

**********
Christianity is NOT a race. Jesus was born a Jew (of the tribe of Judah)...not a Judaist. If the Judaists had it 'all right', He would not have had to teach them differently.

He was born Jesus, THE CHRIST, thus was totally CHRIST-Like (ian).

He never converted to Catholicism...or any other denomination. He was, and remains, totally Christian. He said that, "salvation is of the Jews (not the Catholics, etc.).

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456510 Jun 26, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
the time is coming !!!
WHY ... because you read it in a book???

People were all packed and ready to leave because of the Mayan end of time prophecy, but it seems nothing has been learned by that misinformation.

You gloat when you say "the time is coming." It makes you feel powerful, and that is simply your arrogance playing with your own brain.

The idea that a god would destroy the earth and take some arrogant beings to an afterlife of bliss is about as ludicrous as it gets ... but you insist on playing the fool's game, as it meets your desires.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456511 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Open your window and look around, Dan. Can't you see the obvious evidence for Zeus?
If you want to call the laws of physics God, then certainly God exists. If you know of empirical evidence for an interfering deity with an unexplained interest in human affairs, which inspired the Bible and causes "miracles" and answers prayers, then by all means I'm interested in seeing that.
A short while ago, you wanted evidence of a deity.

Now, you are asking for something else (while accusing ME of constructing a straw man). You're asking for empirical evidence of certain beliefs about God, not about the existence of God.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#456512 Jun 26, 2013
From the article in the September 2010 edition of the magazine "Scientific American" ... The end or is it?... comes the following..........

Aristotle appealed to a similar principle when he argued that time can have neither beginning nor end. Every moment is both the end of an era and the start of something new; every event is both the outcome of something and the cause of something else. So how could time possibly end? What would prevent the last event in history from leading to another? Indeed, how would you even define the end of time when the very concept of “end” pre-supposes time?

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