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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658842 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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OldJG

Rockford, IL

#456623 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Scripture doesn't apply value the teachings of Christ according to the medium of the message.
Written isn't of a higher value than what is preached.
Really? When satan was tempting Jesus in the wilderness did Jesus overcome temptation by saying .."someone said it" or did Jesus say "it is written"? Let's see what Jesus said, shall we?

Matthew 4:3-, 3 "And the tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread." 4 But he answered, "IT IS WRITTEN, "'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" 5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6 and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written, "'He will command his angels concerning you,' and "'On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.'" 7 Jesus said to him, "AGAIN IT IS WRITTEN,'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'" 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me." 10 Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! FOR IT IS WRITTEN, "'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'" This is repeated again in Luke 4.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#456624 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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No ... GOD put me to death this morning after I tested his/her/it's existence.
This is my ghost posting. Needless to say NOT my "holy" ghost.
:)
WELL!
It's about time!--I thought I was the only one!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#456625 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It'd be like ordering a pizza. Call and it's there. Handy, but not miraculous.
Yer prolly right...Prayer is absolutely worthless.
Anthony MN

United States

#456626 Jun 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Part 2
Interestingly enough, there is an occasion in David’s life where he also uses the image of drinking blood. When he was on the run from Saul he gathered a group of mighty men around him. At one point he was fighting the Philistines who had taken the town of Bethlehem and he remarked how much he would love a drink from the well of Bethlehem. Three of his mighty men heard this and took him seriously. They fought their way through the Philistine line, got water from Bethlehem and brought it back to David. In 1 Chronicles 11:19 David says, "Far be it from me, O my God, that I should do this! Shall I drink the blood of these men who have put their lives in jeopardy? For at the risk of their lives they brought it." He says that to drink this water would be like drinking the blood of these men, not literally their blood, but it would be like profiting from their near death, since they risked their lives for him. You could say, enjoying the benefits which came at the expense of their lives.
That phrase really sums up what Jesus is talking about here. When He refers to eating His flesh and drinking His blood, He is talking about enjoying the benefits which come from His death.
Why all the commentary, isn't the bible good enough for you?
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456627 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Mary was also sinless? Is that Biblically sourced?
Moreover, if Mary was sinless, why couldn't she have been the savior herself?
Also, I guess specifically what I don't get is the prayers to saints and intermediaries instead of directly to God. Catholics pray to Mary to intercede for people, right? Why not just pray directly to Jesus?
wilderide:

You have probably heard, "Hail Mary, full of grace...."It comes from Luke 1:28, in the angels greeting. But the phrase "full of grace" from the Greek, is a poor translation. The Greek word is kecharitomene. It is a perfect passive participle. So it means that grace was always, is now, and will always be present. It is that grace, which makes her sinless from the time of conception.

Prayers to saints, are simply asking prayers from a righteous person. James 5:16....The prayers of a righteous person availeth much.

Catholics are in communion with both those yet born, with the living, and those who are dead in Christ. So though we may not see them living, we are connected eternally as one Body, in Christ, with Jesus as the Head.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#456629 Jun 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Where does He say: And from this day forth, all newborn will have their soul stained with the original sin of Adam/Eve....or words to that affect...
Oxbow: In simplist terms Acquinas explain it:
So...this teaching of original sin did not come from God...but it is the teaching of Acquinas???????
That is exactly how the NT was conceived...arguments from guys just like that.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#456630 Jun 26, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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"confront"
KM
Interesting thought.
I kind of feel God deals with nations based on Christ, and Justice. So within our own nation the more Christians there were, the more Justice was served and this preserved the peace(especially within our nation), but it spilled out into the rest of the world as well, as the Gospel was preached in the rest of the world, and Christianity spread.
It is more like the Spirit moves to where it desires, which are in/with those "hearing" the message, and accepting Jesus. And that is where the peace of Christ exists.
And the opposite becomes true as we fall into the new "Faith"
SECUL AT HUMAN I AM..LEss Justice ..more violence...No moral compass to hold onto..

God has used us to Spread His word around. The World.

How sad He must be as this country is,slowly turning away from Him as,a nation

Which is why it is. Foolish for,CHristians to argue about my church is better than your church ..rather than joining. Together ..

An army of Christians flying the standard of truth.....

It's foolish and we will regret it..imo

All of the COMMUNIY OF CHRIST had a hand this nation's being a beacon .
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456631 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Of course it would. God supposedly intervenes in many other ways, what's with the abandonment of amputees about? Not even one verifiable time? Kinda odd.
wilderide:

Luke 22:47-53

Malchus ear was cut off. Jesus healed it.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#456632 Jun 26, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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You mean it wasn't a bunch of well-meaning church leaders who channeled God to tell them what letters and books to include in the canon?
You make it sound like a Papal election or something.
There was no "god" at the meeting...and NO election. Just fighting(some physical). Their positions and lives were all at stake.
There were no "popes" at that point either. That is a great big fabrication of the "papacy", who later made their decisions "retroactive" once they had gained enough power. Many sects were rejected at that very meeting's close or before...others took more time and "councils" to expel...most of it had to do with the divinity of Jesus, and the production of the "trinity". Let's not realize that "Mary" would have to be given "special" characteristics to pull such a lie off in the process.
Common people were not allowed to "possess" scripture or speak it under penalty of death. You were required to attend the "church" meetings for your dose of "truth".

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#456633 Jun 26, 2013
persnickety wrote:
<quoted text>YOU have no idea what Pope John Paul II said or meant.
Knit and Pray..

I can read what He said.

What is sad is that you are cannonizing that saint...And then rewriting
His meaning .

He wanted us,all to stand together...But you insist that in order fir us to be fellow,Christians we must follow Catholic practice.

That is like the disciples who thought the Gentiles must be circumcised to follow Jesus

He acknowledged our. differences...while calling the non Catholics killed for being Christians. martyrs.

You call non Catholics Faux Christians..knit...Is that what the Pope meant???
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456634 Jun 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Where does He say: And from this day forth, all newborn will have their soul stained with the original sin of Adam/Eve....or words to that affect...
Oxbow: In simplist terms Acquinas explain it:
So...this teaching of original sin did not come from God...but it is the teaching of Acquinas???????
Oxbow:

The truth about of original sin is reasoned. For all have sinned....Well, there must be a reason all people sin, they have sin-nature. Sin-nature is part of being human. God doesn't create human beings like he does angels. Therefore we carry sin, as part of our sin-nature.

So likewise, for you, God did not say in the Bible, that the Sun orbits around the Milky Way Galactic Center. So it must not be true? Neither in the Bible does God say, ducks quack. So for you they must not quack....

It is difficult for me to reason with you. It always has been.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#456635 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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One of these religions could give quite a thrill to their believers.
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History of Religious Ideas, by Mircea Eliade.
Tibetan Religions
According to an ancient tradition, the White Light gave birth to an egg, from which emerged the primordial Man.
The lamas are masters of the atmosphere exactly like the shamans; they fly in the air, etc.
Religious fundamentalists "use" their deity to threaten and defame you(bash). That way they can remove themselves from the repercussions that result from the attack. They do not wish to have their nose punched, and it is impossible to break the legs of a deity that doesn't exist.
How convenient!
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#456636 Jun 26, 2013
OldJG wrote: So you are telling us what Luke and Paul wrote is a lie? Really? Should we get out a BIG BLACK "MAGIC MARKER" and draw huge black lines through these verses nobody can see or read them. Well, should we? Luke 22:19-20, 19 "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood." I Corinthians 11:23-26, 23 "For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 n the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes."
Anthony MN wrote:
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We accept Jesus at His word. You on the other hand take a black marker and insert "this SYMBOLIZES My body".
tonyBM said, quote, "We accept Jesus at His word. You on the other hand take a black marker and insert "this SYMBOLIZES My body". End quote.

This is very interesting. Was Jesus still alive when He spoke of Himself in John 6? If Jesus was alive, and He was, why didn't He hold up his finger, arm or leg when He said, "this is My body?" Why did Jesus hold up bread? Was the bread symbolic of something?

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#456637 Jun 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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You seem to get angry when Catholics say we're the true Church. Yet, you claim the Orthodox are the true ones. That's called a hypocrite.
I could care less if you believe the Orthodox are the true faith. I would expect nothing less. Why belong to a faith if you're not 100% convinced its the truth?
I don't think the Orthodox's argument against the Papacy holds any weight. Its clear Christ set His Church up with one leader. So it stands to reason the next generation would have one too.
why do you have to constantly LIE!!!

she never ever has said her church is the true church.

the FACTS speak for themselves. your church WAS the FIRST PROTESTANT church(BOY DO I HATE TO USE THAT WORD).

Gods Church is one of Holiness, you church has been so evil that God doesn't even wish to revisit it.

THAT IS HISTORY, clay.

WHY would any person wish to belong to your church?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#456638 Jun 26, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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New Age Spiritual Leader:
I can't be quite sure on this, but it seems to me honesty goes to conscience, the more dishonest one is, the more their conscience is dark. But the light shines through the darkness regardless of one's honesty.
No it doesn't.
Pathological and sociopathic minds have no balance or recognition of "justice" or "conscience"...excep t what is predetermined in it's perversion that their insanity is correct behavior. They live in unrealistic "truths", and behave accordingly abnormal. This "insanity" can be induced...religion borders on this process of misinformation, and mind seduction.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456639 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
After a long search I found a post by Robert F, now posting as "Human being" written on the following thread Page 58.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/T675JJ592...
Earlier on, Robert posted as a Catholic.
It was a short time after this that I left religion and became an Atheist.
How ironic that Robert is now again a Catholic who believes in a personal "god" and I am now an Atheist.
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June VanDerMark wrote:
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As an afterthought Robert, I would like to know why you believe that "only" the Atheistic type of belief can be open minded and objective?
Atheism requires proof of all things. That to me, is NOT objective. It is subject to the need for proof. It does not rely at all on mystery.
I don't even believe as an Agnostic, but I believe that Agnostics are more objective than are Atheists. Agnostics leave the issues open-ended. Atheists demand proof ... and tangible proof is impossible to prove, in the issue of whether invisible spirit does, or does not exist.
I will await your reply, and thanks in advance.
Robert F's reply
It is hard to say....To me agnostics are weighed down with indecision, therefore no clear answers can be found, but are "eternally" befuddled by everything....This does not make them right or wrong, just a bit befuddled, or a lot....lol
As for atheists....for me its a bit more scientific in its approach. I could be swayed myself, as I live in a country that was more or less founded by deists, and I have a particular prejudice then, by culture, to be deistic in nature....And after a long search for a personal god I have come to realize that there is none.
June:

Good memory and patience in researching....All the way back to page 58!

I find your response interesting as well....

"As you and I have corresponded off and on since I first came on the forum, I have witnessed how your beliefs have changed from following your Catholic faith to now entertaining the idea that you are more of an Atheist in belief, than religious.

I give you credit for your ability to use your mental faculties to question.

You don't seem to allow fear of the unknown to govern what you believe.
Read more at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/T675JJ592...

smiles....I guess you don't give me any more credit for thinking?

But, concerning that time in my life, I find it was necessary in the way God has dealt with me, to find my ideas, were (and are) pretty small and wrong concerning God. So I had find out the hard way, and deny myself, my own concepts about God, and become/believe, I am a so-called Atheist. To do away with my own learning, in order to start from scratch.

The question then remains, Why did I change?

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#456640 Jun 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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You seem to get angry when Catholics say we're the true Church. Yet, you claim the Orthodox are the true ones. That's called a hypocrite.
I could care less if you believe the Orthodox are the true faith. I would expect nothing less. Why belong to a faith if you're not 100% convinced its the truth?
I don't think the Orthodox's argument against the Papacy holds any weight. Its clear Christ set His Church up with one leader. So it stands to reason the next generation would have one too.
Wrong.I don't get angry at all. I feel that the catholic church from ALL ORTHODOX point of view is NOT the true church. And yes ALL Orthodox do believe that the Orthodox Church is the True Church.Now how is that being a hypocrite? Were do you get the idea that I don't believe in the Orthodox Faith? I don't believe in the catholic church and its claim to be the true church because its not.Christ set His Church up upon Peter's Faith NOT on Peter himself. The fact that you don't feel that the Orthodox's aurgument against the papacy holds any weight is simple to understand. That what makes you a catholic and me an Orthodox..

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#456641 Jun 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That's always a great point from Atheist. Why doesn't God heel an amputee? I dunno. I would be curious to know what a Bishop of the Catholic Church would say about this. Hopefully I can ask Him someday.
Let me ask you this: If the One God (the Abrahamic Muslim, Jew and Christian God) The only God; healed an amputee tonight on CNN, would you suddenly accept Him? I bet you wouldn't based on political and ideological differences.
I am only an atheist according to your heretic abrahamic religion.
Your deity will never actually "heal" anyone. It can't-It doesn't exist. Are you suggesting some silly setup such as Benny Hinn? LOL!
If your deity grew an amputee his limb back in public, I would certainly reconsider all that I have learned about the falsity of your deity, but not your church.
You shouldn't present unrealistic hypothetical possibilities about your deity as any possibility of the actuality of it's existence. It just makes your story even more unbelievable to any rational thinking persons.

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#456642 Jun 26, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Why all the commentary, isn't the bible good enough for you?
Glad to help:

1 Chronicles 11:19 is Scripture found in the Bible!!!! Honest....
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#456643 Jun 26, 2013
What does it mean when Jesus says you must eat my body and drink my blood?

The passage in question is in John 6.

John 6:53-56, 53 “So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

First, consider what this DOES NOT mean....
1.It is not a command for the Jews to kill Jesus so they can, as cannibals, eat His flesh and drink His blood.
2.Neither does it refer to the Lord's Supper--called by Roman Catholics the eucharist.

Secondly, let's look at the reasons it DOES NOT refer to the taking of the bread and fruit of the vine in the Lord's Supper.....
1.To eat the flesh of Christ and to drink His blood in a literal way would make those who did it cannibals. This would be wicked.
2.The drinking of blood is forbidden throughout the Bible. See Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 7:26, ; Leviticus 17:10-14, Acts 15:28-29. As seen in the Acts passage, even the Gentile Christians after the resurrection of Christ were to abstain from eating blood. If Christ was asking believers to eat His flesh and blood, He would be going against the clear teaching of scripture in numerous places.

Thirdly, in the passage in John 6, Christ clearly told them that He was speaking in a spiritual and not a literal sense. Verse 63 states, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life." Here, He tells them that the flesh profits nothing and that He is referring to the spirit and not to the flesh.

What the passage is saying is that we must spiritually partake of the flesh and blood of Christ in order to have eternal life.

In Hebrews 3:14, believers are "made partakers of Christ." In Ephesians 3:6, we are "partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel." To partake is to take of something as in eating.

Here, we partake of the promise in Christ by means of the gospel. The gospel is the good news of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ for the sake of sinners in order to provide them the offer of salvation. We partake of Christ by trusting in Him.

Consider these parallel passages in John 6: John 6:47, "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life." John 6:54, "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

These verses are close to one another. The first states that everlasting life is obtained by believing in Jesus. The second states that eternal life (or everlasting life) is obtained by eating the flesh of Christ and drinking His blood. Therefore, to eat His flesh and to drink His blood means to believe on Him.

Salvation involves us being uniquely identified with Christ in both His death and His resurrection. It is no more difficult to think of our selves as eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Christ than it is to think of ourselves as being "baptized into his death" (Romans 6:3 ), "buried with him" (Romans 6:4), and "in the likeness of his resurrection" (Romans 6:5).

In reality, we are saved by eating of His holy life and drinking His incorruptible blood (1 Peter 1:18-19). But this is a spiritual truth and is not something that we must try to do physically. The real question is whether or not you have truly believed in the Lord.

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