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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 688764 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456449 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You think you are all-powerful and can put a curse on me simply because you hold a bible and I don't.
You fool!
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REMEMBER THIS

YOU MAY PROSPER FOR A TIME...

Pro_8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Pro_19:2 Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.

Eze_18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#456450 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Once again I will flaunt my self in front of this supposed all-powerful creator.
If he/she/it exists, I ask that I be struck dead at this moment in time.
Now, if this creator wants people to know that it is real ... surely it will strike me dead to prove to all of you that you must follow the words of the theologians.
But as you can see ... I'm still writing.
You are held in bondage by the words of ancient, cunning theologians ... period!!!
Actually, all your post "proves", if anything, is that the "all-powerful creator" doesn't do your bidding.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456451 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
If Jesus had lived and followed Judaism, he would have celebrated Passover ... not Catholic Eucharist.
They are NOT the same.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >
The Passover Seder and Sacrifice
The Jewish holiday of Passover commemorates the Exodus from Egypt. The roots of the festival are found in Exodus 12, in which God instructs the Israelites to sacrifice a lamb at twilight on the 14th day of the Jewish month of Nisan, before the sun sets (Exodus 12:18). That night the Israelites are to eat the lamb with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. The lamb’s blood should be swabbed on their doorposts as a sign. God, seeing the sign, will then “pass over” the houses of the Israelites (Exodus 12:13), while smiting the Egyptians with the tenth plague, the killing of the first-born sons.
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/peop...
June

Jesus did practice the Passover. The last one he attended, is called The Last Supper(which began to be known as the Eucharist).

The practice of the Mass is in part the Passover. Most non-Catholics find the thought of connecting O.T. observances into Christianity difficult because a rejection of tradition, but all Christians accept them as being transformed, or meeting their ultimate climax in Jesus Christ.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456452 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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So if you agree that things in Catholicism need correcting ... what parts do you believe are true???
Would it by chance be the part about you being saved and rewarded with eternal bliss and others going to spend eternity in hell???
:)
June:

For me, Christianity is true, its the people within it that need correcting.(Christianity encompasses those who are RCs and non-RCs.) And this is often a result of the times and places and cultures in which it is found.

The outward history of Christianity is more attempt to discredit it, but the internal history is an attempt at justifying it. Yet Christianity keeps going in spite of, or perhaps because of these contradictions, imho.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456453 Jun 26, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Ok ... how?
Is it the Eucharist, Baptism, Confession and Marian theology? Or the funny robes they wear?
At what point did 'Roman' Catholicism become corrupted. Was it Constantine, or when Protestants gave us the Roman title in the 17th century?
You guys need to start being challenged on your scenarios of this supposed corruption. You do not provide any evidence to back up your accusations against the Church. Try foregoing deception te prove your claims Confrint. Your religion should be able to stand on its own merit. I see it immediately falling apart from ignorance.
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the The Bible describes your condition...

I do not expect those such as yourselves that are infidels and suffering from a reprobate mind to comprehend what I write..

You measure yourself by your self and the sordid history of your religious society...

2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

2Co_10:13 But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456454 Jun 26, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Religion is based on superstition. Some of it is weird, and some of it is just plain corny.
A god will take wonderful ME to heaven, and shove you down the chute to eternal torment.
It's one thing for little children to believe such nonsense ... but adults that cling to such stupidity really need to wake up and smell the coffee.
June:

In a sense you are true.

But in Christianity, there is an axiom which works...,

When and where Christianity increases, superstition decreases(And the reverse is true, when and where Christianity decreases, superstition increases.)

As a modern for instance, in the U.S., there has been a decline of Christianity, and an increase in paranormal, Wicca, paganism, spiritualism, tarot cards, séances, "eastern meditation", yoga, etc...) All these latter things are superstition oriented

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Location hidden

#456455 Jun 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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The early Church was called BOTH "Orthodox" and "Catholic." St. Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of the Apostles, calls the Church by both these names as early as A.D. 107. The word “Orthodox” in Greek is “orthódoxos” meaning “right in religion“, or “straight teaching”; and the word “Catholic” is “katholikós” meaning “general” and/or “kathól(ou)” meaning “universally”. >>>>>
Also, the word “katholikos” literally means “the whole in every part.” It is commonly translated “universal.”
Here is what Ignatius says:
"You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery as you would the Apostles. Reverence the deacons as you would the command of God. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church
without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop, or by one whom he appoints. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." (he didn't say Orthodox Church)(Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans)
Ignatius’ point is that the TRUE Church (the CATHOLIC Church –the Church as it is known in all parts of the world) is found locally with the bishop, as opposed to Gnostic cults and other false sects which claimed to be the true Church. Ergo, here as early as A.D. 107, the Church was already known as “the Catholic Church.” It would have been known by that name (Catholic) while the Apostle John was still alive, since he died only about 7 years earlier than the time when Ignatius is writing. Also, as I said, the term “the Way” was only used by Jewish Christians when speaking to other Jews.
http://www.orthodoxresearchins titute.org/articles/church_his tory/michael_theschism.htm
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456456 Jun 26, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Its wider ranging than what you state.
Its all about our pre-conceptions, and our ability to reason them logically to make up a valid concept.
And YOUR pre-conception ... that apparently from your point of view, is a conception that occurs before a conception, is that a Jew will come to save your Christian "soul" from spending eternity in hell with the rest of human refuse.

Your supposed "pre"-conception is no different than your conception.

:)
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456457 Jun 26, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
Catholics teach all born are guilty of the original sin of Adam and Eve.. This was God's reaction to same: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life...
Where does He say: And from this day forth, all newborn will have their soul stained with the original sin of Adam/Eve....or words to that affect...
Oxbow:

In simplist terms Acquinas explain it:

""An individual can be considered either as an individual or as part of a whole, a member of a society .... Considered in the second way an act can be his although he has not done it himself, nor has it been done by his free will but by the rest of the society or by its head, the nation being considered as doing what the prince does. For a society is considered as a single man of whom the individuals are the different members (St. Paul, 1 Corinthians 12). Thus the multitude of men who receive their human nature from Adam is to be considered as a single community or rather as a single body .... If the man, whose privation of original justice is due to Adam, is considered as a private person, this privation is not his 'fault', for a fault is essentially voluntary. If, however, we consider him as a member of the family of Adam, as if all men were only one man, then his privation partakes of the nature of sin on account of its voluntary origin, which is the actual sin of Adam" (De Malo, iv, 1)."

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Location hidden

#456458 Jun 26, 2013
hojo wrote:
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The early Church was called BOTH "Orthodox" and "Catholic." St. Ignatius of Antioch, a disciple of the Apostles, calls the Church by both these names as early as A.D. 107. The word “Orthodox” in Greek is “orthódoxos” meaning “right in religion“, or “straight teaching”; and the word “Catholic” is “katholikós” meaning “general” and/or “kathól(ou)” meaning “universally”. >>>>>
Also, the word “katholikos” literally means “the whole in every part.” It is commonly translated “universal.”
Here is what Ignatius says:
"You must all follow the bishop as Jesus Christ follows the Father, and the presbytery as you would the Apostles. Reverence the deacons as you would the command of God. Let no one do anything of concern to the Church
without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop, or by one whom he appoints. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is THE CATHOLIC CHURCH." (he didn't say Orthodox Church)(Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans)
Ignatius’ point is that the TRUE Church (the CATHOLIC Church –the Church as it is known in all parts of the world) is found locally with the bishop, as opposed to Gnostic cults and other false sects which claimed to be the true Church. Ergo, here as early as A.D. 107, the Church was already known as “the Catholic Church.” It would have been known by that name (Catholic) while the Apostle John was still alive, since he died only about 7 years earlier than the time when Ignatius is writing. Also, as I said, the term “the Way” was only used by Jewish Christians when speaking to other Jews.
I agree that the two churches were once ONE...But in 1054 when the now known catholic church split from the now know Orthodox Church ,the now known catholic church took with them the word Catholic and form what is now known as the catholic church.And the now known Orthodox Church took the name Orthodox.....This is the Truth and the Light.Every Protestant here needs to know this and to understand....Just because your church has the word catholic does not mean that it is the church that Christ founded....The catholic church took the name catholic but the Orthodox Church took the Faith!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456459 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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the The Bible describes your condition...
I do not expect those such as yourselves that are infidels
As you point outward you USE the scripture as though it is other people who are the infidels.

What if YOU are the infidel?

What THEN???

Maybe you should be preaching at your self?

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456460 Jun 26, 2013
who="Oxbow" Catholics teach all born are guilty of the original sin of Adam and Eve.. This was God's reaction to same: Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life...
Where does He say: And from this day forth, all newborn will have their soul stained with the original sin of Adam/Eve....or words to that affect...

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1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Rom 5:15 But not as the offense, so also is the free gift. For if through the offense of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.
Rom 5:17 For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

KayMarie
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456461 Jun 26, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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June:
For me, Christianity is true.
I get that. You don't need to explain it again and again that you believe you will be saved by a Jew, and others will go to hell.

It's a small frame of mind in which you choose to dwell Oh self-perceived holy one!

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456462 Jun 26, 2013
Who Schimed??Look at the Original Church before 1054.Then look at the Orthodox Church and the catholic church after 1054.Which Church kept the beliefs and practices of the Original Church the Orthodox or the catholic Church?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#456463 Jun 26, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Do you find this to be contrary to "bible-alone" theology?
It does present an additional means to reveal the teachings of Christ.
No.

I would say it's the same means not additional.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456464 Jun 26, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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June
Jesus did practice the Passover. The last one he attended, is called The Last Supper(which began to be known as the Eucharist).
Passover is a Jewish ceremony, totally foreign to the rituals of the Catholic Eucharist.

At any rate, if Catholics follow a faithful Jew, they should be celebrating Passover ... period ... and be following all the Jewish rituals and beliefs.

That would be THE path to follow.

Instead Catholic theologians lead the flock AWAY from Judaism.

And THAT is the truth of THAT "MATTER."

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456465 Jun 26, 2013
who="Oxbow" What did Christ mean when He spoke of eating His body and drinking His blood???
We have two very interesting Old Testament references which help us to understand what Jesus is talking about. The first is in Psalm 27:2 where David is talking about the wicked who are coming against him. "When the wicked came against me to eat up my flesh, my enemies and foes, they stumbled and fell."
We have to ask ourselves, does David literally mean that these are cannibalistic enemies or is he using picture language?
He is talking here about the wicked who want to profit from his death. They want to kill David because they want to obtain some kind of benefit from his death.
This example from the Old Testament gives us an insight into what Jesus means by eating his flesh—it means to benefit from His death on the cross.

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You left out the other one. David longed for water from a certain well that was in enemy held territory. Three of his men risked their lives to go and get some of that water. He refused to drink it, pouring it out as a sacrifice to the Lord, for, he said, is this not the BLOOD of the men who brought it? II Sam. 23

KayMarie
marge

Leesburg, GA

#456466 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~~
the The Bible describes your condition...
I do not expect those such as yourselves that are infidels and suffering from a reprobate mind to comprehend what I write..
You measure yourself by your self and the sordid history of your religious society...
2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
2Co_10:13 But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.
Yep
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#456467 Jun 26, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
Who Schimed??Look at the Original Church before 1054.Then look at the Orthodox Church and the catholic church after 1054.Which Church kept the beliefs and practices of the Original Church the Orthodox or the catholic Church?
WHO cares except Catholics who lead a life of lies at any rate???

If you follow a Jew ... join Judaism and stop being a Catholic shyster.

You KNOW that a faithful Jew would not abandon Judaism any more than you would abandon your preferred religion.

And THAT is the truth!!!
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456468 Jun 26, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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A ROMAN CATHOLIC CANNOT SAY...-->
2Ti_1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed:
for
-->I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
THE ETERNAL DESTINY OF A ROMAN CATHOLIC IS LIKE A GAME OF BINGO...
THEY HAVE NO CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR DESTINY....
THEY DOUBT THE TRUTH OF GOD'S WORD THAT SAYS...
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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And well they should because the road that they follow will not lead them to the above truth.
THEREFORE THEY LIVE IN A HOPELESS VOID
confronting:

You assert your opinion. But the problem lays in a bit deeper than the surface. If a Roman Catholic knows they are a Christian, then your opinion becomes invalid.(I am not saying all Roman Catholics are Christians, since God will be the Judge of that. Likewise, we live in a so-called Christian nation, but does that mean each person is a Christian? I think not.) Nor are some who attend so called Christian churches are all true Christians.

I suppose it goes more to a personal level, and not even one of understanding, but rather repentance and doing God's Will, as to whether one is viewed outwardly and inwardly as being a Christian.

Thus we say with Paul, I am crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I, but Christ who lives in me. When we glimpse within ourselves, and see this, we become more drawn to God and become more Christ-like.

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