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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683643 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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truth

Perth, Australia

#456349 Jun 25, 2013
truth

Perth, Australia

#456350 Jun 25, 2013
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#456351 Jun 25, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
The natural man cannot understand Scripture that was authored by the Holy Spirit for the Spirit of man...
That is why you believe Christ taught that we are to literal eat His flesh and drink His blood!!!! Which is the acts of cannibals!!!!
Luke 24:13-35

Jesus approached the two men who were talking about him. they did not recognize him OR the scriptures until Christ sat down and took out some bread, blessed it, broke it and gave it to them.

The two men explained that Christ was not known to them UNTIL the breaking of the Bread (Eucharist). luke 24:35

No wonder you guys cant understand the scriptures... you don't partake in the Eucharist!
truth

Perth, Australia

#456352 Jun 25, 2013
i am as i am as i always exist..

now

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do you liked drink petrol in Pepsi bottle?
i hope not
walkers evil spirit think is walker brandy or wisky..
we will seeeeeeeeee

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OldJG

Rockford, IL

#456353 Jun 25, 2013
Page 1 of 2

Constantine became like a Pope when he called the first general ecumenical council, in Nicaea in A.D. 325, to settle questions of doctrine. The most important decision was the adoption of Nicene creed: the assertion that the denial of Christ’s divinity was a heresy. This became the basis of all church doctrine from that time forward. Anyone who departed from the creed was branded a heretic.
St. Helena, the mother of Constantine, became one of the most cherished saints in the Greek Orthodox church. On her first pilgrimage to the Holy Land she came back with the True Cross, Christ's crown of thorns and the lance used to pierce his skin before his crucifixion. And if that wasn't enough she identified Christ's tomb, which had been covered over by a temple dedicated to Aphrodite. The site is now occupied by the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.

Under Constantine, Christians who deviated from official church doctrine were branded as heretics and were given no support, were punished with penalties and were ordered to stop meeting.

After Constantine died in 337, the Roman Empire was divided up among his sons. Christianity spread gradually but inexorably through the Roman Empire and beyond its borders. Paganism was banned at the end of 4th century and restrictions were placed on Judaism. The power and the wealth of the church grew quickly with the help of faithful Christians who donated their land and other possessions. By the beginning of the 6th century Christianity had 34 million followers. They made up half of the Roman Empire.

The Council of Nicaea, held in Nicaea (present-day Iznik In Turkey), inaugurating the ecumenical movement. Called by Constantine to combat heresy and settle questions of doctrine, it attracted thousands of priests, 318 bishops, two papal lieutenants and the Roman Emperor Constantine himself. The attendees discussed the Holy trinity and the eventual linkage of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, argued whether Jesus was truly divine or just a prophet (he was judged divine), and decided that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.

The early councils were shaped largely by Christian scholars from Alexandria and their views were in line with modern Coptic doctrine that the God and Christ are of the same essence and that Christ’s divinity and humanity are unified.

Constantine made a grand entrance at the council. According to one witness he “proceeded through the midst of the assembly” and acted like a Pope. The greatest debate was between Arius, a priest from Alexandria, who argued that Christ was not the equal of God but was created by him, and Athanasius, the leader of the bishops to the west, who claimed that the Father and Son, where distinct, but hatched from the same substances and thus were equal. Arus’s argument was rejected in part because it opened to the door to polytheism and a doctrine was codified that stated Christ was “begotten not made” and that God and Christ were “of the same stuff.”

The Council of Nicaea gave us the Roman version of Christianity rather the Nestorian. The most important decision was the rejection of Arius’s arguments and the adoption of Nicene creed: the assertions that Christ’s divinity, the Virgin Birth and the Holy Trinity were truths and the denial of Christ’s divinity was a heresy. This became the basis of all church doctrine from that time forward. Anyone who departed from the creed was branded a heretic.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#456354 Jun 25, 2013
Page 2 of 2

Constitutum Constantini (Donation of Constantine)

Constantine and Pope Sylvester I The Pope's authority over all of Europe is based the Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine), a 3,000-word documented purportedly written by Constantine between A.D. 315 and 325 that legalized Christianity and gave the See of Rome and the pope spiritual power over the entire world in addition to political power over Europe. The document was not made public until the ninth century when it was used as evidence in dogma debates when the Christian church split into the Catholic church and Eastern Orthodox Church.

In the A.D. 8th century Pope Stephen II and the military leader Pepin (king of the Franks and father of Charlemagne) gained control of huge chunk of land in central Italy, that included Rome and Ravenna, by using the Constitutum Constantini. The chunk of land, known as the Patrimony of St. Peter, was ruled by the popes for most of the next 11 centuries.

The Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine) was later revealed to be, in the words of Voltaire, the "boldest and the most magnificent forgery." One of the documents flaws was that it gave Rome authority in New Rome (Constantinople) at least a decade before the city was founded.

Constantine Byzantine mosaic In 1440,the Constitutum Constantini was labeled a fake by Lorenzo Valla who was called into settle a dispute between King Alfonos and Pope Eugenius IV over who had secular authority over Italy. Valla showed the Constitutum Constantini was a fake. An authority on Latin, Valla pointed out that a diadem in Constantine's time was not a gold crown as the the Constitutum Constantini claimed but was coarse cloth and the word "tiara" was not even in use at the time the document was said to have been written. A number of other words in it were not used in Constantine's time.

Valla was later convicted of heresy for pointing out the "Apostle's Creed" could not have been composed by the Twelve Apostles. He was convicted on eight counts and probably would have been burned at the stake were it not for his patron King Alfonso.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456355 Jun 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Pontius Pilate has nothing to do with "the Truth".
That is a claim made by so-called "Christians" through an interpretation of "him washing his hands clean" of the event.
Not a coward, but actually logically - as it had nothing to do with his belief.
Playing the event your way, is biased and doesn't include all the facts. Facts that would have to include the details of why Pilate did what he did, based upon Roman laws, and not Jewish law.
This aspect of the event seems to always go unnoticed and mentioned.
Figures. One can't have a feasible belief if the true law explains it accurately.
New Age Spiritual Leader:

People approach the Truth on different levels.

In the case of Pilate, a low level governor in the remote "troubled" province of the Roman Empire, he was caught between two worlds, and his own "comfort". The forces that put him in power in Rome, and the Jewish establishment where he "ruled".

He is a reminder of the indifference of politics, and personal gratification of power.

He represents in a way, the power and impotence of government.

There are lots of ways one can view him.
truth

Perth, Australia

#456356 Jun 25, 2013
How they call;''salji dalje za iste pare=para-evil program?
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#456357 Jun 25, 2013
OldJG wrote:
. Our interpretations of the Bible are exactly the same as the first Christians. You Roman Catholics are the corrupters!
Your interpretations are not even the same as Protestanism 100 yrs ago. How can you say they are exactly the same as the first Christians? Haven't you read anything form the Apostolic fathers?
Seraphima

New Castle, PA

#456358 Jun 25, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
You, Jethro are just like Peter before his TRUE conversion to Jesus Christ! YOU FISH AND CATCH NOTHING, very time you make a comment on this forum!!! The Only thing that you protestant "fundies"rely upon is "throwing something out" on this forum desperately "hoping" that somehow, somewhere it sticks! As I told you before, Jesus never used the word Catholic! At that time it was the ONLY Church around and it was Universal. Ignatius referred to the word Catholic in 107AD and it has been there for over 2000 years---REGARDLESS of the "editoralized (bogus history nonsense) you keep "trying to sell others" on this forum. This ridiculous "broken chain" from the Apostles that you keep "spitting out" is has "no relevance" at all when it comes to verifing, authenticating and undeniable proof of confirming the One and only TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church initiated, formed and established by Jesus Christ HIMSELF in Matthew 16:13-21. Your twisted "Church History propaganda" (never has, nor ever will) change the Historical and biblical PROVEN TRUTH of Jesus Christ and His One (and only one) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church.
http://www.orthodoxresearchins titute.org/articles/church_his tory/michael_theschism.htm
truth

Perth, Australia

#456359 Jun 25, 2013
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truth

Perth, Australia

#456360 Jun 25, 2013
Clay

Saint Paul, MN

#456361 Jun 25, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Page 2 of 2
Constitutum Constantini (Donation of Constantine)
Constantine and Pope Sylvester I The Pope's authority over all of Europe is based the Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine), a 3,000-word documented purportedly written by Constantine between A.D. 315 and 325 that legalized Christianity and gave the See of Rome and the pope spiritual power over the entire world in addition to political power over Europe. The document was not made public until the ninth century when it was used as evidence in dogma debates when the Christian church split into the Catholic church and Eastern Orthodox Church.
In the A.D. 8th century Pope Stephen II and the military leader Pepin (king of the Franks and father of Charlemagne) gained control of huge chunk of land in central Italy, that included Rome and Ravenna, by using the Constitutum Constantini. The chunk of land, known as the Patrimony of St. Peter, was ruled by the popes for most of the next 11 centuries.
The Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine) was later revealed to be, in the words of Voltaire, the "boldest and the most magnificent forgery." One of the documents flaws was that it gave Rome authority in New Rome (Constantinople) at least a decade before the city was founded.
Constantine Byzantine mosaic In 1440,the Constitutum Constantini was labeled a fake by Lorenzo Valla who was called into settle a dispute between King Alfonos and Pope Eugenius IV over who had secular authority over Italy. Valla showed the Constitutum Constantini was a fake. An authority on Latin, Valla pointed out that a diadem in Constantine's time was not a gold crown as the the Constitutum Constantini claimed but was coarse cloth and the word "tiara" was not even in use at the time the document was said to have been written. A number of other words in it were not used in Constantine's time.
Valla was later convicted of heresy for pointing out the "Apostle's Creed" could not have been composed by the Twelve Apostles. He was convicted on eight counts and probably would have been burned at the stake were it not for his patron King Alfonso.
So are you saying before the Council of Nacea, the Christian Church was morally stout. Then, Constantine began infiltrating the teachings and corrupted the hierarchy? Suddenly Our Lords Church was combined with some sort of Pagan Satanic ritualistic thing, and the TRUE Church (body of believers) survived this terrible mess, and when the Bible was printed in 1254, the truth could come back out again!

Old Geez, if I was a Bible student in your class, I would close my Book and get up and say, "it looks like this Jesus was a fraud". Then I would walk out the door. If you version was truth, than Christ wasn't who He said He was and Christianity is one big joke.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#456362 Jun 25, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Page 1 of 2
Constantine became like a Pope when he called the first general ecumenical council, in Nicaea in A.D. 325, to settle questions of doctrine. The most important decision was the adoption of Nicene creed: the assertion that the denial of Christ’s divinity was a heresy. This became the basis of all church doctrine from that time forward. Anyone who departed from the creed was branded a heretic.
St. Helena, the mother of Constantine, became one of the most cherished saints in the Greek Orthodox church. On her first pilgrimage to the Holy Land she came back with the True Cross, Christ's crown of thorns and the lance used to pierce his skin before his crucifixion. And if that wasn't enough she identified Christ's tomb, which had been covered over by a temple dedicated to Aphrodite. The site is now occupied by the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem.
Under Constantine, Christians who deviated from official church doctrine were branded as heretics and were given no support, were punished with penalties and were ordered to stop meeting.
After Constantine died in 337, the Roman Empire was divided up among his sons. Christianity spread gradually but inexorably through the Roman Empire and beyond its borders. Paganism was banned at the end of 4th century and restrictions were placed on Judaism. The power and the wealth of the church grew quickly with the help of faithful Christians who donated their land and other possessions. By the beginning of the 6th century Christianity had 34 million followers. They made up half of the Roman Empire.
The Council of Nicaea, held in Nicaea (present-day Iznik In Turkey), inaugurating the ecumenical movement. Called by Constantine to combat heresy and settle questions of doctrine, it attracted thousands of priests, 318 bishops, two papal lieutenants and the Roman Emperor Constantine himself. The attendees discussed the Holy trinity and the eventual linkage of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, argued whether Jesus was truly divine or just a prophet (he was judged divine), and decided that Easter would be celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox.
The early councils were shaped largely by Christian scholars from Alexandria and their views were in line with modern Coptic doctrine that the God and Christ are of the same essence and that Christ’s divinity and humanity are unified.
Constantine made a grand entrance at the council. According to one witness he “proceeded through the midst of the assembly” and acted like a Pope. The greatest debate was between Arius, a priest from Alexandria, who argued that Christ was not the equal of God but was created by him, and Athanasius, the leader of the bishops to the west, who claimed that the Father and Son, where distinct, but hatched from the same substances and thus were equal. Arus’s argument was rejected in part because it opened to the door to polytheism and a doctrine was codified that stated Christ was “begotten not made” and that God and Christ were “of the same stuff.”
The Council of Nicaea gave us the Roman version of Christianity rather the Nestorian. The most important decision was the rejection of Arius’s arguments and the adoption of Nicene creed: the assertions that Christ’s divinity, the Virgin Birth and the Holy Trinity were truths and the denial of Christ’s divinity was a heresy. This became the basis of all church doctrine from that time forward. Anyone who departed from the creed was branded a heretic.
Why do you and Oxbore refuse to cite your sources? Are you ashamed?

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#456363 Jun 25, 2013
OldJG wrote:
Page 2 of 2
Constitutum Constantini (Donation of Constantine)
Constantine and Pope Sylvester I The Pope's authority over all of Europe is based the Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine), a 3,000-word documented purportedly written by Constantine between A.D. 315 and 325 that legalized Christianity and gave the See of Rome and the pope spiritual power over the entire world in addition to political power over Europe. The document was not made public until the ninth century when it was used as evidence in dogma debates when the Christian church split into the Catholic church and Eastern Orthodox Church.
In the A.D. 8th century Pope Stephen II and the military leader Pepin (king of the Franks and father of Charlemagne) gained control of huge chunk of land in central Italy, that included Rome and Ravenna, by using the Constitutum Constantini. The chunk of land, known as the Patrimony of St. Peter, was ruled by the popes for most of the next 11 centuries.
The Constitutum Constantini (the Donation of Constantine) was later revealed to be, in the words of Voltaire, the "boldest and the most magnificent forgery." One of the documents flaws was that it gave Rome authority in New Rome (Constantinople) at least a decade before the city was founded.
Constantine Byzantine mosaic In 1440,the Constitutum Constantini was labeled a fake by Lorenzo Valla who was called into settle a dispute between King Alfonos and Pope Eugenius IV over who had secular authority over Italy. Valla showed the Constitutum Constantini was a fake. An authority on Latin, Valla pointed out that a diadem in Constantine's time was not a gold crown as the the Constitutum Constantini claimed but was coarse cloth and the word "tiara" was not even in use at the time the document was said to have been written. A number of other words in it were not used in Constantine's time.
Valla was later convicted of heresy for pointing out the "Apostle's Creed" could not have been composed by the Twelve Apostles. He was convicted on eight counts and probably would have been burned at the stake were it not for his patron King Alfonso.
Very intersting JG

Curious if you looked at those videos

ISRAEL OF THE ALPS..if you are like Kay and don't do links..just Google it ..on YouTube 3videos spanning a long history dating from around the time of Constantine ..maybe a bit after..these people hid in villages,.
In the Alps.

They were Christians ..I originally thought by the title that they were Jews ..But definitely. Not.

They had copies if scripture and preached in the surrounding area on foot like the disciples..They wanted nothing to do with the organized Church..They were later hunted down by a group sent by Rome..some were killed ..some escaped..

It's a very touching story..And courageous..And I can imagine they were not the only ones to act outside the Church proper.

With your knowledge if history..thought this might be if interest..:)

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#456364 Jun 25, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to laugh at you, but it is sad. Hermetic already tried that farce.(edited for space)
the Council fathers write to Pope Leo, saying...
You are set as an interpreter to all of the voice of blessed Peter, and to all you tedthe blessings of that Faith.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep 98
For if where two or three are gathered together in His name He has said that there He is in the midst of them, must He not have been much more particularly present with 520 priests, who preferred the spread of knowledge concerning Him ...Of whom you were Chief, as Head to the members, showing your good will.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo (Repletum est Gaudio), November 451
Knowing that every success of the children rebounds to the parents, we therefore beg you to honor our decision by your assent, and as we have yielded agreement to the Head in noble things, so may the Head also fulfill what is fitting for the children.-- Chalcedon to Pope Leo, Ep 98
So, the Council of Chalcedon clearly recognized Pope Leo as the successor of Peter and the Head of the Church. However, the Council did have one problem. One of its canons, Canon 28, had given Constantinople primacy in the East. The Canon read:
"...we do also enact and decree the same things concerning the privileges of the most holy Church of Constantinople, which is New Rome. For the Fathers rightly granted privileges to the throne of old Rome, because it was the royal city. And the one hundred fifty most religious Bishops gave equal privileges to the most holy throne of New Rome, justly judging that the city is honored with the Sovereignty and the Senate and enjoys equal privileges with the old imperial Rome...." (Canon 28, Chalcedon)
However, Pope Leo refused to agree to this canon; and employing a kind of "line item veto," ordered it struck from the Council documents. In this, Bishop Anatolius of Constantinople writes to Pope Leo, apologizing and explaining how the canon came to be, saying ...
So, the matter was settled; and, for the next 6 centuries, all Eastern churches speak of only 27 canons of Chalcedon -- the 28th Canon being rendered null and void by Rome's "line item veto." This is supported by all the Greek historians, such as Theodore the Lector (writing in 551 AD), John Skolastikas (writing in 550 AD), Dionysius Exegius (also around 550 AD); and by Roman Popes like Pope St. Gelasius (c. 495) and Pope Symmachus (c. 500)-- all of whom speak of only 27 Canons of Chalcedon.
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/a35.htm
Luke Rivington's Account The Byzantine Plot
http://www.orthodoxresearchins titute.org/articles/church_his tory/michael_theschism.htm.... ......Your church started in 1054 and has rewritten history to suit it self.The catholic church has a history since 1054 of lies, deceit, murder, doublespeak, and propaganda.The catholic church not only schismed from the Orthodox Church they schimed from the TRUTH and never came back.By the way,Hermi never copies his posts from one site as you do from a catholic site.Hermi uses many many sources he doesn't need the church tell him what to think.Now me on the other hand post from an Orthodox site to show you I can do the same as you...lol
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#456365 Jun 25, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate the honesty - I just wish more of the posters would exhibit this as well.
"Maybe your view of being a Christian is a bit outdated?(smile) Time to get New!"
- if you think this way, then you are not a "Christian".
Accept that you aren't - as the view of Self, in many eyes today, deteriates the aspect of Christianity that they want to express worldwide.
If you still think you are a so-called "Christian" - then your sect is a heresy.
And since you speak as a heretic - Welcome to my world.
P.S. I personally don't believe there are any heretics, but only the ones that Christianity has deemed.
- "God" has never designated any specific text or religious belief as heresy.
New Age Spiritual Leader:

Just my view on the matter, there are Christians hidden within our pseudo-Christian culture". Many go to church, many do not, many are RC, many are not.

I think our time in history right now, we have this sort of need for continuity with the past which makes it difficult for us to let go. That desire becomes a misplaced habit. And people get defensive and offensive because of that habit, trying to protect it.

On the positive side of that, is that when one tires of the habit, the search for Truth begins.

I know you seek a compliment, in calling me a "heretic", but I am more a heretic to the times, or more anachronistic in my Christian faith. There are a lot of them on the thread, though they may not know it in that way.

We live in the same world, our definitions are different because our world-views are different.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456366 Jun 25, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
They tried for 250 years, but the blood of the martyrs in Catholic Church at Rome and elsewhere was seed for the faithful. Jesus founded the Catholic Church Kay. 2000 years later, whether you like it or not, the gates of hell have not prevailed.

**********

It isn't a matter of what I like, Anthony. I've known some good Catholics who love the Lord...but there is still much with the CC that needs to be corrected.

And yes, we've got a lot of good Protestants who love the Lord, but on both sides there are those who consider themselves 'better' than others...and some Protestant 'dogma' needs to be corrected.

All of both need to honor God, and their fellow Christians more. And all who profess to be Christian should be more Christlike.

It is shameful to read this forum, and read the shameful, hurtful things that are said about people.

Most Christians don't consider themselves 'sinners'...but most will wound the heart of their own 'loved'(?) ones over some disagreement. This wounds the heart of God...and it is SIN.

An old time hymn says of the gospel, that "it makes me love EVERYBODY". It's time that we believe the gospel.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456367 Jun 25, 2013
who="wilderide"
But if the future is knowable in the first place, then that is only possible if there is fate. And if there is fate, then there can't be free-will.
If God knows you will do something, can you do otherwise? If yes, then God was wrong, of not, then you have no free will.

**********

You have it twisted, wilderide (is that "will deride"?)

God gives us a choice...and even when He knows what we will do (at present), He pleads with us to make the right choices.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#456368 Jun 25, 2013
who="wilderide"
Will someone please get "truth" back on their meds? Where is the nurse?

******

Go easy on her. She just isn't fluent in English. She tries, but she has a very hard life.

KM

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