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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 658419 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#455974 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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Peter was not elevated to a position above any of the other apostles..
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
If John has answered Jesus instead of Peter In Matthew 16:18 or any one of the 12 Jesus would have given them the same answer..
Jesus did not build his church upon Peter...
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
THE CHURCH IS BUILT UPON
1 THE APOSTLES..
2.PROPHETS,
3.JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF BEING THE CHIEF CORNER STONE..
READ IT FOR YOURSELVES...
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
JESUS SAID TO ALL HIS DISCIPLES IN
Joh_20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
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THE APOSTLE PAUL WROTE
Gal 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat,
(whatsoever they were,
it maketh no matter to me:
God accepteth no man's person:)
for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference
added nothing to me:
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision/GENTILES was committed unto me,
as the gospel of the circumcision/JEWS was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision,/JEWS
the same was mighty in me
toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9 And when James (THE LORDS BROTHER), Cephas, and John,
who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we
should go unto the heathen/GENTILES,
and they unto the circumcision/JEWS.
The Catholic religion is a denomination...quote:-Largest denominations in the world Catholicism - 1.2 billion.....

Christ built no denominations....

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#455975 Jun 24, 2013
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who="StarC"
NOT true KM, Jesus wanted A Church that's why HE told Peter 'Build my Church" not write my book. This is HOW Christians met aT MASS to Hear The WORD and receive HIM DAILY ! To this day, Mass is held daily!!
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Sorry , Star. Jesus didn't tell Peter to build a church. He said: Upon this rock (revelation to man by God's Spirit) "I" will build MY church.
He is still building His church with changed hearts.
KayMarie
LOL, you are changing what the bible says, typical.
Not suppose to do this, shame on you.
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Matthew 16:18 (KJ21)|

18 And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18 (ASV)| In Context | Whole Chapter

18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18 (AMP)| In Context | Whole Chapter

18 And I tell you, you are Peter [Greek, Petros—a large piece of rock], and on this rock [Greek, petra—a huge rock like Gibraltar] I will build My church, and the gates of Hades (the powers of the infernal region) shall not overpower it [or be strong to its detriment or hold out against it].

Matthew 16:18 (CEB)| In Context | Whole Chapter

18 I tell you that you are Peter. And I’ll build my church on this rock. The gates of the underworld won’t be able to stand against it.
Matthew 16:18 (CJB)| In Context | Whole Chapter

18 I also tell you this: you are Kefa,”[which means ‘Rock,’]“and on this rock I will build my Community, and the gates of Sh’ol will not overcome it.
Matthew 16:18 (CEV)| In Context | Whole Chapter

18 So I will call you Peter, which means “a rock.” On this rock I will build my church, and death itself will not have any power over it.
Matthew 16:18 (DARBY)| In Context | Whole Chapter

18 And *I* also, I say unto thee that *thou* art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades' gates shall not prevail against it.”
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Your interpretation does not count, its the Apostles that were taught by Jesus that’s what counts.

20th century churches are false churches started by mortal men.
Jesus can have but ONE Spouse as it says in Eph 5:23-32.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#455976 Jun 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
wilderide:
I am sorry. Perhaps we are communicating to broad a concept here. Let me make it more concrete, for you to see what I am trying to say....
Right now, I can look left or right. I choose to look to my right. If now I look left, then God would know. That would make me a liar, but I still chose one or the other. Thus I have free-will.
Huh? What would make you a liar?
So God knows I was truthful or a liar, but did not interfere. Thus free-will exists. And God and knew which way I would look.
(By the way, I did choose to the right, and executed it as well.)smile
Let's try again:

Let's say X and Y are both mutually exclusive actions (like going left or going right). You can't do both X and Y.

If God knows you will do X, then can you do Y instead?

“Happy 2016!!”

Since: Apr 08

Saint Teresa Pray 4 Us.

#455977 Jun 24, 2013
Good night all.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#455978 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
THE BOOK OF GENESIS CHAPTER 3: VERSES 22-23 BARES OUT THE FACT THAT...IN ORDER FOR ADAM TO LIVE FOREVER HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO CONTINUALLY EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE...
SAW TO IT THAT HE DIDN'T.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Nowhere in there did it say that Adam would have had to eat from the tree "continually", but regardless, it does reinforce what I said, namely that Adam wasn't immortal to begin with. Adam was going to die, and he did. Fruit or no fruit.

It's also interesting that God refers to himself in the plural.

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#455979 Jun 24, 2013
Clay wrote:
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How do you figure,'Before Constantine, the RCC did not exists?
For once, I really wish one of yous would provide something to back this up. Please... I'm on my knees begging the fundies to seek truth and not slander.
I've listened to you guys throw the 'Constantine' accusation my whole life. The last 3 yrs I been pleading with the people on this forum to state why they believe he started the Roman Catholic Church. Is it because you see the title 'Roman' and assume he must of installed that title when Rome legalized Christianity"? Is it because he called a council and asked that order be brought?
Clearly and irrefutably, Catholic teaching is the same before Constantine and after. We have tons of documents from the Church pre 313 AD and post.
You guys are only interested in conspiracy scenarios about the Church that Christ started. I find so many of you deliberately ignoring truth and spreading propaganda and slander about the Roman Catholic Church, yet oddly, referring to yourselves as 'Christians' in the same breath.
Proof from Scripture, the Catholic church was not built by Christ as you claim, or Christ forgot that he did!!!!!!

In Rev I find Christ said to John:
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write;
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write;
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write;
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira,
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#455980 Jun 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Proof from Scripture, the Catholic church was not built by Christ as you claim, or Christ forgot that he did!!!!!!
In Rev I find Christ said to John:
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write;
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write;
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write;
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira,
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
You are funny. Sometimes I wonder if you're actually a practicing Catholic who just comes on here to play the 'devils advocate'(pun intended).
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#455981 Jun 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholic religion is a denomination...quote:-Largest denominations in the world Catholicism - 1.2 billion.....
Christ built no denominations....
Lol!! Exactly, Christ did not build a denomination!

You're on a roll. Keep it coming.

Since: Jan 08

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#455982 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
Sorry for the double post. My pc 'stumbled'..
KayMarie
you need to be more forceful in the future. we don't have to let them have their way all of the time.

make em mad and unplug them once in awhile. that'll teach em. mine was acting up and so I used my other tower for awhile and when I hooked this one back up, it worked ok from then on.

sometimes we just have to show tuff love to them

Since: Jan 08

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#455983 Jun 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="RoSesz"
Wholly human ..wholly divine.
And it's a,mystery did sure.
And your reply tells me you dud nit read either of those..
There a 're several.
Legally He is the first born of Joseph ..as his adopted.
Physically He US Mary's son
And yes please don't start the arguments again on that..anyone.
ON if she US his mother
All these genealogy sites,say He is the DIRECT DESCENDANT IF DAVID...through Mary as His MOTHER.
And Joseph as His adopted father.
And they are NOT JUST CATHOLIC ONES.
One actually is,Jewish
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Mary and Joseph were both Jewish.
America's laws (until recent ones) have been based on Judeo/Christian
Principles, and at least one state (maybe all of them) says that the "resident father is the legal father". I am familiar with that one.
Joseph was not a legally adoptive father; he was called by God to, "take Mary to wife". Legally, then, by Judeo principles, Joseph was the legal father.
KayMarie
as I have said so many times, when Joseph said "His name Is Jesus". this according to the jewish law as as well as tradition, meant that he was the legal parent for evermore. and when the went back and found Him, mary said "your father and I were worried.

and much later, the other villages said "is not this the carpenter's son?"

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#455984 Jun 24, 2013
who="StarC"
As do we pray to God alone. Not that it matters,…..can you explain Rev 8:3??
While your added it explain Rev 5:11-14 too.
The role of our Blessed Mother and other Saints is to bring followers for her son The Christ!
To deny that Saints and others are not with Christ, is to deny Christ’s promised.
To the thief on the cross “today you will be with me in paradise.’
SO YES, SAINTS HEAR OUR PRAYERS!!!!!!!!!
The new 21st century churches can not go around changing rules.
We go by what the Apostles were taught by Jesus himself.
Your interpretation of the Bible does not count! Sorry!
**********

Did you notice that he didn't say "DEAD" saints? All of the church are saints according to the Bible. They don't need the CC to appoint them to sainthood.

KayMarie
socci

Montreal, MO

#455985 Jun 24, 2013
StarC wrote:
Peter original name was Simon or Simeon, Christ
promised to confer the primacy upon him and give
him an Aramic surname,“Kephus,’ or Rock of which
Petros is the Greek and Petrus the Latin
translation.
So Peter is the rock.
Jesus is the foundation.
"Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona ... Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church." (Matt. 16:17-19).
Acts 5: 12 - 16 [PETER’S SHADOW]
12 Now many signs and wonders were done among the people by the hands of the apostles. And they were all together in Solomon's Portico.
13 None of the rest dared join them, but the people held them in high honor.
14 And more than ever believers were added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women,
15 so that they even carried out the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and pallets, that as Peter came by at least his shadow might fall on some of them.
16 The people also gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick and those afflicted with unclean spirits, and they were all healed.
There is ample evidence in the New Testament that Peter was first in authority
among the apostles. Whenever they were named,
Peter headed the list (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark
3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13); sometimes the apostles were referred to as "Peter and those who were with him" (Luke 9:32).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, Matt. 17:24-27, Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was
Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts
2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and
Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17). An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen
Christ first appeared to Peter (Luke 24:34). He
headed the meeting that elected Matthias to
replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the
first converts (Acts 2:41). He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23). He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15), and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter
that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
http://www.catholic.com//library/Peter_and_th...

Noooooo...

Lets say it does read as you say (which it does not) then that would contradict the rest of the Bible. Rather you and your Church just teach a false doctrine by twisting what is written. Jesus is the 'rock' upon which the church (body) was founded.

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#455986 Jun 24, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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It's not a matter of understanding metaphor. I understand metaphors just fine. I'm not arguing that the Bible has to be interpreted literally rather than metaphorically. The problem is adding stuff to Genesis was wasn't put there, parable or no. If you want to say that Adam was supposed to understand that God meant "spiritual" death when that was never mentioned, then any part of the Bible can mean anything you want it to. Then it really would become an "unconnected set of words from beginning to end".
It's only as "connected" to reality as the people believe is the connection.

And they all perceive the supposed religious reality by different meanings.

Metaphor ... parable ... literal ... blah, blah, blah.

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#455987 Jun 24, 2013
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Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
You are funny. Sometimes I wonder if you're actually a practicing Catholic who just comes on here to play the 'devils advocate'(pun intended).
Cannot admit the truth can you????

Proof from Scripture, the Catholic church was not built by Christ as you claim, or Christ forgot that he did!!!!!!

Which do you think it is?????

In Rev I find Christ said to John:
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write;
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write;
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write;
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write;
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira,
And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write;
And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#455988 Jun 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
wilderide:
Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
You take a bite of poisonous fruit its going to kill you.
Take a bite of evil and it does the same thing.
Theologically stating, if the god of the Jews had not created evil, there would be no evil to bite.

You like to think you bite only the "good" ... right Mr. self-perceived Perfect???

:)

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#455989 Jun 24, 2013
017
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol!! Exactly, Christ did not build a denomination!
You're on a roll. Keep it coming.
You got it!!!

Catholics are forever trying to sell to the world, the idea that Christ, a Jew, and His 12 Jewish apostles, during the time that Christ was on earth, established the Roman Catholic Church, that everyone knows, that even as of today, is for Gentiles and not Jews!!!! To believe that you have to believe that Christ abandoned God's chosen ones!!!!

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#455990 Jun 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Please stop making up things.
Making things up was the job of theologians!

These wanna-be theologians on the forum are just copy-cats.

:)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#455991 Jun 24, 2013
who="wilderide"
Nowhere in there did it say that Adam would have had to eat from the tree "continually", but regardless, it does reinforce what I said, namely that Adam wasn't immortal to begin with. Adam was going to die, and he did. Fruit or no fruit.
It's also interesting that God refers to himself in the plural.

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You still aren't reading! The Bible says plainly that God drove Adam from the Garden of Eden SO THAT HE COULD NOT EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE.(That was not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.)

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, LEST HE PUT FORTH HIS HAND, AND TAKE ALSO OF THE TREE OF LIFE, AND EAT, AND LIVE FOREVER:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

KayMarie

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#455992 Jun 24, 2013
who="Clay "
Lol!! Exactly, Christ did not build a denomination!
You're on a roll. Keep it coming.
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Christ did not build a denomination...true...BUT THE RCC DID.

KayMarie

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#455993 Jun 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
017
<quoted text>
You got it!!!
Catholics are forever trying to sell to the world, the idea that Christ, a Jew, and His 12 Jewish apostles, during the time that Christ was on earth, established the Roman Catholic Church, that everyone knows, that even as of today, is for Gentiles and not Jews!!!! To believe that you have to believe that Christ abandoned God's chosen ones!!!!
Who exactly do you believe ARE the "gentiles?"
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>

gentile

late 14c., "chivalrous person; member of the nobility;" see gentile (adj.). Also used during 14c. to mean both "one who is not a Christian" and "one who is not a Jew." The Latin word was used in Vulgate to translate Greek ethnikos, from ta ethne "the nations," which translated Hebrew ha goyim "the (non-Jewish) nations."

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

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