Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703570 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at CBC News.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#455424 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston:
Wrong again.
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
So, there was Jesus in the womb of Mary. Jesus had the Holy Spirit within himself. And the mere sound of Mary's voice caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Put it all together, and Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit. It just does not seem that any other possible explanation could exist outside of a prejudiced mind.
doesnt say Mary does it?LOL
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#455425 Jun 22, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Trust me I have never heard anything remotely like this in my Church and its Baptist ..nor on any of the sermons I have listened to on the tv or in any book by a Protestants.
we do not see Mary as important to salvation..That is not scriptural.
But how anyone reading her story cannot find inspirational is beyond me.
.
And that Mary was a bad MOTHER is ludicrous on its face.
Like God coukd make a mistake in the CHOICE of the mother to His Son????
Please
And not a word I said about this is REFUTED by scripture
RoSesz

I believe you. I know Preston's views on this are weird. And one can only speculate on his views, and the reasons he has for them. I suspect it has something to do do with his need to be dominating, and others(especially women) to be under him.

Having quite a broad range of experience, I would say in general, the Protestant and neo-Protestant groups accept her as someone special in the life of Jesus, but they don't go much farther than that.

What is most dangerous here is that Preston removes Jesus' humanity, by eliminating Mary, and calling her a surrogate. More or less he thinks God planted a created human embryo in Mary, and that would of course not make Jesus of human lineage, but a 2nd created "human being". It is dangerous for himself, and others who listen to him.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Quesnel, Canada

#455426 Jun 22, 2013
Not one of these followers of truth will answer my question.

Do you believe (within the context of theology) that Jesus was a faithful Jew to Judaism just before he died ... or do you believe he had converted to Catholicism when he was baptized by John the Baptist???

Come on faithful ones. Stand up and take the bait.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#455427 Jun 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary was not Queen on earth. She's in heaven now.
she is no queen of heaven.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#455428 Jun 22, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you could reread what I wrote.
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
YEAH ... they follow that Jesus guy into wars ... burning innocent humans at the stake as heretics and witches. And they brag about how Jesus will save them while the devil burns others in hell and on and on and on.
They are quite the "followers" of Jesus.
Sarcasm intended.
I read just fine, goofy.

Write pretty well too.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455429 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston:
Wrong again.
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
So, there was Jesus in the womb of Mary. Jesus had the Holy Spirit within himself. And the mere sound of Mary's voice caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Put it all together, and Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit. It just does not seem that any other possible explanation could exist outside of a prejudiced mind.


She was conceived if the Holy Spirit ..

Again I honestly think SOME non Catholics,are against her to be in contrast to Catholic practices.

Personally I can't see Cowboy meeting Jesus and letting Him know,He thinks He had a,bad mother..That God was sadly mistaken in trusting her with His care!!!

I honestly don't get it.

You do not have to worship her or reverence her
To have respect and empathy fir her

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#455430 Jun 22, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Mary was not Queen on earth. She's in heaven now.
Who deposed Asherah?

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#455431 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Preston:
Wrong again.
Luke 1:41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
So, there was Jesus in the womb of Mary. Jesus had the Holy Spirit within himself. And the mere sound of Mary's voice caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Holy Spirit.
Put it all together, and Mary was filled with the Holy Spirit. It just does not seem that any other possible explanation could exist outside of a prejudiced mind.
any times people were filled with the Holy Ghost and they spoke as such. BUT this is not what we are talking about as we compare the Filling of the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost.

when I preach and(GIF) can say the same thing, the holy Spirit comes on me(fills me) and I preach under His Anointing.
and no Jesus did NOT have the Holy Ghost within Him, they are not one and the same. they are two parts of the trinity. that is stupid to say that.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#455432 Jun 22, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="RoSesz"
Trust me I have never heard anything remotely like this in my Church and its Baptist ..nor on any of the sermons I have listened to on the tv or in any book by a Protestants.
we do not see Mary as important to salvation..That is not scriptural.
But how anyone reading her story cannot find inspirational is beyond me.
.
And that Mary was a bad MOTHER is ludicrous on its face.
Like God coukd make a mistake in the CHOICE of the mother to His Son????
Please
And not a word I said about this is REFUTED by scripture
*********
Rose...Cowboy was trying to say that Mary was not a goddess...she was human as the rest of us. It has turned into a bees nest, and the hornets are stinging wildly.
IMO this is more proof that Mary had little children to take her attention.
KayMarie
confronting-KayMarie

Most certainly, Mary was human like the rest of us.

In this story, her familiarity of Jesus always being near, and suddenly realize he is not, is for us a reminder, that when we sin, Jesus may withdraw his presence from us, until we turn, repent, and search him with great anxiety. We will find Him doing His Father's business.

Mary again, leads us to Jesus, as she does for us to the Cross. But we must go.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#455433 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz
What is most dangerous here is that Preston removes Jesus' humanity, by eliminating Mary, and calling her a surrogate. More or less he thinks God planted a created human embryo in Mary, and that would of course not make Jesus of human lineage, but a 2nd created "human being". It is dangerous for himself, and others who listen to him.
sorry, but if you knew anything about Biology and the human body, you would understand what I am talking about. I even have showed people how this embryo grows and attaches it self to the womb and takes on the characteristics of the human body.

Week 1–3 5–7 days after fertilization, the blastocyst attaches to the wall of the uterus (endometrium). When it comes into contact with the endometrium it performs implantation. Implantation connections between the mother and the embryo will begin to form, including the umbilical cord. The embryo's growth centers around an axis, which will become the spine and spinal cord. The brain, spinal cord, heart, and gastrointestinal tract begin to form.[5]

now this is as simple to understand as it could be. if you don't understand , may I suggest that you return to jr high and learn some biology

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#455434 Jun 22, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
She was conceived if the Holy Spirit ..
Again I honestly think SOME non Catholics,are against her to be in contrast to Catholic practices.
Personally I can't see Cowboy meeting Jesus and letting Him know,He thinks He had a,bad mother..That God was sadly mistaken in trusting her with His care!!!
I honestly don't get it.
You do not have to worship her or reverence her
To have respect and empathy fir her
is a person showing respect by LYING about her?

ponder on that. I never said anything about mary that didn't come from the Bible.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#455435 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
confronting-KayMarie
Most certainly, Mary was human like the rest of us.
In this story, her familiarity of Jesus always being near, and suddenly realize he is not, is for us a reminder, that when we sin, Jesus may withdraw his presence from us, until we turn, repent, and search him with great anxiety. We will find Him doing His Father's business.
Mary again, leads us to Jesus, as she does for us to the Cross. But we must go.
first, the Bible says that thru the Holy Ghost we are drawn to the Father, and there the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from sin and we become joint heirs with Christ.

not my fault if you don't know this.NOW YOU DO!!
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#455436 Jun 22, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
With all due respect
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
She has nothing to do with our salvation...Just as John Baptist was the forerunner of Christ
She was a necessary supporting actor on the stage in
the event/drama of the arrival of Christ on earth...
SHE DID NOT BRE OUR GRIEFS
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs,
SHE DID NOT CARRY OUR SORROWS
and carried our sorrows:
SHE WAS NOT... BELIEVED TO BE.. STRICKEN, SMITTEN OF GOD AND AFFLICTED
yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
SHE WAS NOT WOUNDED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS...
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions,
SHE WAS NOT BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES...
he was bruised for our iniquities:
THE CHASTISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS NOT UPON HER...
the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
SHE DID NOT BEAR THE STRIPES FOR OUR HEALING
and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
GOD DID NOT LAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD UPON MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS...
the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS WAS AN INSTRUMENT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS IN THE HANDS OF GOD...
AFTER HER TASK WAS FINISH IN BIRTHING JESUS ....SHE WAS A NORMAL MOTHER AND HOUSEWIFE TO HER HUSBAND JOSEPH .
SHE GAVE BIRTH TO A LARGE FAMILY
HER CHILDREN'S NAME GIVEN IN MATTHEW 6:3 ARE
JESUS---James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and HIS SISTERS ...
SHE WAS A VIRGIN WHEN JESUS WAS BORN...THEN EVIDENTLY
A VIRTUOUS WOMAN TILL HER DEATH.
AS FOR HER NEGLECTING JESUS (AT THE AGE OF TWELVE)
SHE PROBABLY HAD OTHER BABIES TO TAKE CARE OF, AND JESUS GOT LOST LEFT BEHIND UNINTENTIONALLY...IN THE
EXCITEMENT OF IT ALL...
confrinting with the word:

And with all due respect back to you dear confrinting, Jesus would not have been born without Mary. He would not have become human in all ways except without sin. Thus, the plan of God from eternity would not have come to pass without Mary(and actually for each of us). But in her we can see God, and know his existence as a man, to the greatest degree God has planned.

This makes her the most outstanding participant in human history, as a purely human being. And as a mother, she was the best, God sought after. This makes her a type of Christian we seek to be like.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#455437 Jun 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>as I just pointed out to Anthony, Jesus was never King on this Earth, so mary could not be a queen, if so, then joseph is a king to.
remember what we posted about mary finding Jesus at the temple, sshe used these words, "your father and I were worried".so why don't catholics lift Joseph up as King also.lol
I dont acknowledge mary as my mother since the Bible tells us that we are now Brothers to Christ thru His Blood sacrifice. Mary never prayed one prayer for me or any now living, she never sustained me, nor fed me, nor gave me to drink, but Jesus has.
mary was a surrogate mother, and when he left this world, we read no more about mary, her star demimished until she went to live with he Son
Preston:

It is hard to write small opinions on many subjects and have them all add up to a cohesive whole. So let me tackle the first subject you wrote about, that Jesus is never King on the Earth.

I say quite the opposite, that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords.(Rev 19:16). For us it appears like a future event, but since God is outside of time, this is eternally true of Jesus. God is the same past, present, and future.

For those who are with and of Jesus and toward Jesus, the Second Coming, is a fact. And such a fact makes it true for all time.

You may be confused with the prince of the air, which is Satan, and even tempts Jesus in the Wilderness, with some pseudo-power over the kingdoms of this earth.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455438 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz
I believe you. I know Preston's views on this are weird. And one can only speculate on his views, and the reasons he has for them. I suspect it has something to do do with his need to be dominating, and others(especially women) to be under him.
Having quite a broad range of experience, I would say in general, the Protestant and neo-Protestant groups accept her as someone special in the life of Jesus, but they don't go much farther than that.
What is most dangerous here is that Preston removes Jesus' humanity, by eliminating Mary, and calling her a surrogate. More or less he thinks God planted a created human embryo in Mary, and that would of course not make Jesus of human lineage, but a 2nd created "human being". It is dangerous for himself, and others who listen to him.
I came across this before with a good Christian I know..it puzzled me

The SEED of the WOMAN will crush the head if the serpent

I find thus enlightening..show a why there are 2 geneaoligies.

JESUS was a blood descendant of David Through Mary thru Nathan

,He was also a LEGAL heir thru Joseph thru Jeconuah. Being the first born son by adoption.

And here is where I think..God tends to details.
Jeconiah could not be the blood ancestor of Jesus as his line was cursed...So any scribe in the pay of the King WOULD nit see Jesus as a threat .. unfortunately Her or was nit subtle in trying to kill the Messiah..But the serpent does not have prescience or knowledge of God's,plans!!!!!!

One has to suppose he was,always trying to thwart TH a t pesky step on his head thing
http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/onlyleg...
marge

Leesburg, GA

#455439 Jun 22, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
confronting-KayMarie
Most certainly, Mary was human like the rest of us.
In this story, her familiarity of Jesus always being near, and suddenly realize he is not, is for us a reminder, that when we sin, Jesus may withdraw his presence from us, until we turn, repent, and search him with great anxiety. We will find Him doing His Father's business.
Mary again, leads us to Jesus, as she does for us to the Cross. But we must go.
That is blasphemy Robert, Mary does no such thing only God can.

Unless your saying Mary like all born-again believers tell others about Jesus.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455440 Jun 22, 2013
marge wrote:
<quoted text>
That is blasphemy Robert, Mary does no such thing only God can.
Unless your saying Mary like all born-again believers tell others about Jesus.
I think he is saying it's like a parable..Nit that MARY leads us.

But that she was looking fir Him as we do..

As the Father looked down the road in the parable of the Prodigal

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#455441 Jun 22, 2013
987
Anthony MN wrote:
The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene. This word represents the proper name of the person being addressed by the angel, and it therefore expresses a characteristic quality of Mary. Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning "to fill or endow with grace." Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates a perfection of grace that is both intensive and extensive. This means that the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit, and was not only as "full" or strong or complete as possible at any given time, but it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence to have been called "full of grace."
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/immaculate-con...
No it is not....Greek is not necessarily Greek...you either have no idea from which dialect the NT was translated from...or you are avoiding using it because it reveals the truth...

Here are the five main dialects of ancient Greek that have been found on inscriptions. They are divided based on geography, with regional subdivisions. Following the ancient dialects are the other, more modern Greek languages.
1. Attic-Ionic Greek (represented in literature)

Ionic
East Ionic
Central Ionic
West Ionic
Attic (the Greek spoken in Attica, which includes Athens).
2. Achaean

Arcadian
Cyprian
Pamphylian

3. Aeolic (represented in literature)

Lesbian
Thessalian
Boeotian

4. Doric (represented in literature)

Laconian-Heraclean
Messenian
Argolic
Megarian,
Corinthian
Rhodian
Theran-Melian
Coan-Calymnian
Cretan

5. Northwest Greek

Phocian
Locrian
Elean
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#455442 Jun 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>first, the Bible says that thru the Holy Ghost we are drawn to the Father, and there the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from sin and we become joint heirs with Christ.
not my fault if you don't know this.NOW YOU DO!!
Preston:

I can agree with you here, and I would say in general this is true. But I leave God's Providence in His Hands. God may work through whatever means to draw a person to salvation in Jesus

In general we are fortunate in living in a Christianized culture, which is not so purely dependent upon justice, but allows for mercy. So we are in general drawn by the mercy of God, which is Love manifested by the Holy Spirit, which brings us to Jesus.

The flowing of the Spirit then brings us to the Father, that we all might be one with God. We would be brought to nothing without the Holy Spirit.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#455443 Jun 22, 2013
atemcowboy wrote:
<quoted text>as I just pointed out to Anthony, Jesus was never King on this Earth, so mary could not be a queen, if so, then joseph is a king to.
remember what we posted about mary finding Jesus at the temple, sshe used these words, "your father and I were worried".so why don't catholics lift Joseph up as King also.lol
I dont acknowledge mary as my mother since the Bible tells us that we are now Brothers to Christ thru His Blood sacrifice. Mary never prayed one prayer for me or any now living, she never sustained me, nor fed me, nor gave me to drink, but Jesus has.
mary was a surrogate mother, and when he left this world, we read no more about mary, her star demimished until she went to live with he Son
If she was only a surrogate then Jesus was nit wholly human and wholly divine.

He had to be human in order to be the perfect human to be sacrificed.

HE HAD to be from her SEED..AS the SEED of the woman crushes the head if the serpent

JESUS US blood heir to David through her blood

These are obviously in human terms as David was human.

Jesus us King if Kings but as you said this will happen on earth when He comes again in glory

Where do you get this surrogate stuff..She was nit just a receptacle..
http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/onlyleg...

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Top Stories Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Plurality of Americans think Trump is failing (Mar '17) 9 min Kwisatz Haderach 87,454
Looking to finally settle down. Need some sugge... 10 min Jayvee56 1
Why are women from USA prefer casual dating ove... 18 min lookingforU1 1
The Good Man Donald Trump 35 min MexicoWill Pay4Wall 2
Prostitutes at Taiji Massage in Port Charlotte 36 min FredG5 1
School honoring Confed general 2B Renamed 4 Bar... 37 min Omg 2
Making DEVILS Rich 39 min Omg 2
Prove there's a god. (Mar '08) 39 min science is god 996,409