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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 675922 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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#454673 Jun 20, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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No, Thomas was not the opposite of apophatic. Not sure where you picked that up from, but it's incorrect.
From Question 3 of the Summa: Since we cannot know concerning God what He is, but what He is not, we cannot consider about God in what way He is, but rather in what way He is not. First therefor it is to be considered in what way He is not; secondly in what way He is known by us; thirdly, in what way He is named
St. Thomas's approach is therefore apophatic. But there is an element lost on those who overemphasize this. St. Thomas, following the Fathers, particularly St. John Damascene, lays out a threefold manner in which we speak of God and apply
words to Him.
The "big dogs"? LOl...okay, Herme, whatever you say.
In Orthodox theology, apophatic theology is taught as superior to cataphatic theology. While Aquinas felt positive and negative theology should be seen as dialetical correctives to each other, like thesis and antithesis producing a synthesis, Lossky argues, based on his reading of Dionysius and Maximus Confessor, that positive theology is always inferior to negative theology, a step along the way to the superior knowledge attained by negation.This is expressed in the idea that mysticism is the expression of dogmatic theology par excellence.

Catholicism was/is apophatic? LOL You missed a whole movement of the Cath Church that in the end failed called Scholasticism.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#454674 Jun 20, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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June, is that you?? I was wondering why you haven't been posting lately.
I am not June.
You obviously have gender issues.
Try some other form of deflection or defamation...this one isn't working very well...it makes you appear ignorant and irrational.

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#454675 Jun 20, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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If you knew how to read you would have seen that I said I was kidding around with someone which is why I changed names. But now that you mention it, yeah you are that stupid.
you switched names so you could attack hermi and I under differant names..you sneaky little catholic...
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#454676 Jun 20, 2013
Selene100 wrote:
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Yes, the people of Antioch were the first to be called Christians. That is in the Bible. And the Bishop of Antioch (Ignatius) was the first person to use the word "Catholic". That is found in a first century historical document. So, history and archaeology is on our side.
Ignatius did not use the words Roman Catholic. He may have used the word.....catholic.....universa l. But never Roman Catholic. NEVER!

You have history and archaeology on your side? Really? Real Christians trust the Bible. Real Christians not Roman Catholics. Do you understand FINALLY!

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#454677 Jun 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Preston said his bible is God. I assume he worships it. That is certainly closer to idol worship than venerating an icon or statue.
So you do admit Catholics venerate icons and statues..

venerate - worship - show devotion to (a deity); "Many Hindus worship Shiva"

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#454678 Jun 20, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Why do you switch nics? do you think everyone is that stupid? You are a dissembler.
she switches nics so she can do her dirty work and then come back as the good little catholic.Hermi and I are her targets since we wont side up with the catholic church...now isnt that stupid...lol....
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#454679 Jun 20, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Jesus proclaims the necessity of Baptism:
John 3:5
Jesus instructs the Apostles to baptize:
Matthew 28:18-20
New International Version (NIV)
18 Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Fish in a barrel.
You are revealing your lack of understanding again. What did I ask of you? Here it is again. Maybe if you read it slow you would understand it better. Missed the mark again hey Danny boy. Did Jesus ever tell the apostles to baptize anyone for the salvation of the person being baptized was the other part of the question.

Dan said, quote, "Jesus said it's necessary and instructed the Apostles to baptize." End quote.

Chapter and verse where Jesus mandated baptism as salvanic and instructed the apostles to baptize? Oh, that's right. You will invoke your "tradition" card verses Biblical truth. LOL LOL

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#454680 Jun 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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I agree with you Regina. I think you're telling the truth.
Although I admire the Orthodox faith and I think Herm and Sera are passionate Orthodox... I thought it was ' interesting' they'd bring up the abuse scandal- implying its not equally a problem in their religion as ours. I guess that was red flag that they may not be as interested in truth as we all hoped.
Did you know that the rate of HIV infection is 4 times higher in the cathaholic church organization than the national average?
Something any parent of children molested and raped by the pedophile priests should be extremely concerned about.
Yes! The abuse scandal is owned by your church, and your church only, and is a MAJOR problem to society.
It is NOT just something to be swept under the rug.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#454681 Jun 20, 2013
Danny boy this is for you. Please answer ALL of the questions.

Dan wrote:
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Jesus was baptized.
We are to emulate Him.
Jesus said it's necessary and instructed the Apostles to baptize.
We are to obey His teaching.
Do you have other questions?

You are a slippery little mackerel snapper aren't you? Try answering the questions and not side stepping the questions little Roman boy. Here they are again so you can answer each question one by one. OK?

If Jesus is our example, and He is, please answer these questions for all on this forum.
1. How was Jesus baptized
2. At what age was Jesus baptized
3. Did Mary have Jesus baptized as a baby
4. Was Jesus baptized by sprinkling or immersion
5. Was the baptism of Jesus the same as your baptism
6. Why was Jesus baptized

Matthew 3:13-17, 13 "Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" 15 But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented. 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."

You said, quote, "Jesus said it's necessary and instructed the Apostles to baptize." End quote.

Chapter and verse where Jesus mandated baptism as salvanic and instructed the apostles to baptize? Oh, that's right. You will invoke your "tradition" card verses Biblical truth. LOL LOL

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#454682 Jun 20, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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I am not June.
You obviously have gender issues.
Try some other form of deflection or defamation...this one isn't working very well...it makes you appear ignorant and irrational.
BINGO!!!! lol...
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#454683 Jun 20, 2013
Dan wrote:
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No thinking person believes that Constantine founded the Catholic church.
He simply recognized it and decriminalized it in Rome.
No thinking person denies the Judaic roots of Christianity.
Danny boy said, quote, "No thinking person believes that Constantine founded the Catholic church." End quote.

Constantine was not the founder of the catholic church. Constantine was the founder of your cult, the ROMAN CATHOLIC church. Comprende'

Danny boy said, quote, "No thinking person denies the Judaic roots of Christianity." End quote.

Christianity has its roots in Judaism. The Roman Catholic church does not.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#454684 Jun 20, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
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Oh, so you're a fundie! You should have said so from the start. No wonder!
You can assume anything you wish, It is what you do when you believe in a deity that you can not even prove exists, so you should be great at making incorrect assumptions.
I already told you I do not believe in your deity.
You must be incompetent or completely stupid to think I could be a fundamentalist crister.
How's that for arrogance? That is what you called me isn't it? Arrogant and rude? I will now give you what you ask for.
Just remember--you asked for it.
ReginaM

Bloomfield, NJ

#454685 Jun 20, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>In Orthodox theology, apophatic theology is taught as superior to cataphatic theology. While Aquinas felt positive and negative theology should be seen as dialetical correctives to each other, like thesis and antithesis producing a synthesis, Lossky argues, based on his reading of Dionysius and Maximus Confessor, that positive theology is always inferior to negative theology, a step along the way to the superior knowledge attained by negation.This is expressed in the idea that mysticism is the expression of dogmatic theology par excellence.
Catholicism was/is apophatic? LOL You missed a whole movement of the Cath Church that in the end failed called Scholasticism.
Yes, particularly those of the Thomist stripe, as I said. Also as I said, but not as radically as the Orthodox who overemphasize it and thereby lose something. What some people lack is the idea of analogy, which is a type of equivocation by reason. What analogy allows us to do is to understand that the terms as understood by us are limits on what they describe, and we can place no limits on God but at the same time recognize a real similarity of being.

Sorry, Herme, but yes, you are prejudiced. That's okay, we get it.

Glad to hear you're doing better.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#454686 Jun 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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What sorta proof do you demand? Lol. If the Judeo-Christian God went on CNN Tonight and proved He was the one that created life, you'd reject Him anyway!!! No?
I bet you my life savings, your free will would reject the God of Abraham because He does not share your ideology.
(hypothetically if He exists that is)
Pray to tour deity to strike me dead tonight.
If I am here after, your deity is BS.

How is that for proof.
I will stake my life on it...what do you have to lose?
If you don't take me up on it, you are a coward...I am not.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#454687 Jun 20, 2013
Selene100 wrote:
It was Constantine who allowed Freedom of Religion in Rome. By allowing Freedom of Religion in Rome, Christians were now allowed to practice their beliefs without fear of persecution. All they had to do was read the Edict of Milan, which was passed by Constantine to know that. Before the Edict of Milan was passed, Christians were being persecuted and killed. With the Edict of Milan, everyone including Christians and pagans were allowed freedom of worship. The Edict of Milan was the first historical document showing that it was Rome that allowed freedom of religion for everyone, not just Christians.
When I looked up "ignorant" in the dictionary your name was given as the perfect example of being ignorant. Are you really that stupid? Really?!!
ReginaM

Bloomfield, NJ

#454688 Jun 20, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>she switches nics so she can do her dirty work and then come back as the good little catholic.Hermi and I are her targets since we wont side up with the catholic church...now isnt that stupid...lol....
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/pr_confession....

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#454689 Jun 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Yeah, that was probably it. Hey look, there's something shiny on ground!
It's your fake "golden tooth" it fell out from all the hot air blowing by it.
marge

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#454690 Jun 20, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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I'm quoting Preston's exact words. He said "the Word (bible) was God". Far more likely that he's worshipping paper and ink than we are icons and statues.
Preston quoted God.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

He said "the Word (bible) was God".

God said "the Word was God."



ReginaM

Bloomfield, NJ

#454691 Jun 20, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>BINGO!!!! lol...
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/exo_counsel.as...

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#454692 Jun 20, 2013
Clay wrote:
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you've been annihilating Ox on this forum for 3 yrs. The little fella keeps logging back on as if nothin happened. Part of me wishes the Catholic Church required that sorta ignorance. lol being Catholic would be a whole lot easier if we could cherry pick our doctrines.
"Mary is called "full of grace", perfectly endowed with God's grace by St. Luke (who wrote after St. Paul wrote "all have sinned").

That is a lie...but....even if he did....full of grace:

Does not say "sinless"..

Does not say "clean vessel"..

Does not say "virgin"..

Does not say "virgin evermore".

Does not say "immaculate conception"...

charis: graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude):--acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace(- ious), joy, liberality, pleasure, thank(-s,-worthy).


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