Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Clay

Brooklyn, NY

#454127 Jun 19, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
All of you threaten me with a deity you can't even prove exists...
You people are a riot.
BTW- I don't believe in "your" deity.
Good 4 U.

Nobody is forcing you to believe in 'our' Diety either!

What kinda moron spends hrs trying to trash something that doesn't even exist??

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#454128 Jun 19, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you going to let a little thing such as that stop you???
:)
It don't work without the dang code June! An we gotta wait till this stupid planet(solar system) is just above the galactic plane of alignment(it's one o' them "free power" glitches). The Mayans knew all about it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454129 Jun 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Let us EXAMINE the DEFINITION of the words BORN AGAIN
BORN OF WATER..BORN OF THE FLESH
BORN OF THE SPIRIT....as used in JOHN 3:3-6
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,
Except a man be BORN AGAIN,
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gennao&#772;
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
be BORN OF WATER
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gennao&#772;
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6
That which is BORN OF THE FLESH
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gennao&#772;
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
is flesh; and
that which is BORN OF THE SPIRIT
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gennao&#772;
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be BORN AGAIN
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gennao&#772;
ghen-nah'-o
From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate:- bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.
NOTE THE DEFINITIONS OF BEING BORN OF THE FLESH WATER AND OF THE
SPIRIT ARE THE SAME...
THERE IS NOT THE SLIGHTEST HINT ...HERE...THAT IT ALLUDES TO WATER
BAPTISM
Except for it saying "water".
Thanks
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454130 Jun 19, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Dan"
Here.
I was baptized, which remitted my original sin and joined me to the Kingdom of God.
Good one, huh?
**********
Not really, Dan. People are baptized BECAUSE and AFTER they have believed on JESUS...not a church program.
You obviously trust the CC; I would that your love were as obvious for Jesus and His people.
I can treat you...or any other person, of ANY creed, as 'worthy'...because of the love of God. You believe that Jesus is Lord because you've been told that, not because you have been moved to KNOW that He is YOUR Lord.
You are trusting in your CC baptism...not in HIM...
Blessings...
KayMarie
Jesus said baptism was necessary.

Good enough for me.

Thanks
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454131 Jun 19, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>I posted two links in past posts....look them up. And you implied that Orthodox did eat fish by posting the fish fry.No Orthodox eat fish during Lent.
I implied that they threw a fish fry, because they threw a fish fry.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454132 Jun 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
Where do you see the word "men" in: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.....
"Men" as in "mankind".

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#454133 Jun 19, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Fasting in the Orthodox Church
General Guidelines for Fasting 2011
The guiding rule of the Fathers - never eat to the point of feeling full but rise from the table knowing that more could be taken and one is ready for prayer.
Fasting is never required when there are health issues that require the eating of certain foods.
Parents decide what age to begin a child fasting from foods. More importantly is teaching the fasting from behaviors not pleasing to God.
Foods allowed during Lent - this is considered Strict Fast
A vegetarian diet including but not limited to bread, grains, vegetables, soup, tofu, fruits, nuts, beans, shellfish, octopus, squid, juice, coffee, tea or water.
Foods not allowed during Great Lent:
All meat, poultry, fish, olive oil (vegetable oil is allowed), dairy products, cheese, milk, butter, eggs, and alcoholic beverages. Fish & olive oil are allowed on March 25 (Feast of the Annunciation) and Palm Sunday, April 17, 2011.
Days on which the number of meals is limited:
It is customary to limit the number of strict fast meals on Clean Monday (the first day of Lent, March 7, 2011), and on any day that you are preparing to receive Communion at a Presanctified liturgy.
Preparing for Presanctified Liturgies in the late afternoon:
There are three ways to prepare depending upon your personal abilities.
• If you are able - keep complete fast the entire day and have a meal after the Liturgy
• Or have a fast worthy breakfast, no lunch followed by a meal after the Liturgy
• Or have a fast worthy breakfast followed by a light lunch and a meal after the Liturgy.
Fasting Recommendation for Assumption Parishioners
Level I is recommended for those who never or rarely keep the fast throughout the year on Wednesdays and Fridays.
• Start by not eating any meat the first week of Lent and during Holy Week.
• Do not eat meat every Wednesday and Friday during Lent.
• Attempt to continue the Wednesday, Friday fast throughout the rest of the year and graduate next year to Level II.
Level II is recommended for those who keep the fast on Wednesdays and Fridays throughout the year but rarely follow a strict fast including dairy products and fish.
• 40 days no meat, plus all of Holy Week
• Dairy products & fish are allowed but not on Wednesdays and Fridays.
Level III is the ideal for those who fast throughout the year.
• 40 days of Lent and Holy Week are kept as a strict fast.
You may create your own guidelines that may be a combination of the above recommendations, please consult your priest if you have questions.
http://www.assumptionaz.org/studies_in_orthod...
http://www.americancatholic.or g/features/lent/lentrules.aspx .......lol
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454134 Jun 19, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Dollars, Pesos, Euros – whatever.
A Basilica costs millions and the Roman Catholic Church has many of them.
Some are in very poor countries.
Avro Manhattan wrote a book about the “The Vatican Billions” and it is very interesting and authentic.
http://archive.org/details/TheVaticanBillions
From... http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/vat...
Jesus, the founder of Christianity, was the poorest of the poor.
Roman Catholicism, which claims to be His church, is the richest of the rich, the wealthiest institution on earth.
How come, that such an institution, ruling in the name of this same itinerant preacher, whose want was such that he had not even a pillow upon which to rest his head, is now so top-heavy with riches that she can rival - indeed, that she can put to shame - the combined might of the most redoubtable financial trusts, of the most potent industrial super-giants, and of the most prosperous global corporation of the world?
It is a question that has echoed along the sombre corridors of history during almost 2,000 years; a question that has puzzled, bewildered and angered in turn untold multitudes from the first centuries to our days.
The startling contradiction of the tremendous riches of the Roman Catholic Church with the direct teaching of Christ concerning their unambiguous rejection, is TOO GLARING to be by-passed, tolerated or ignored by even the most indifferent of believers.
In the past, indeed, some of the most virulent fulminations against such mammonic accumulation came from individuals whose zeal and religious fervour were second to none.
Their denunciations of the wealth, pomp, luxury and worldly habits of abbots, bishops, cardinals and popes can still be heard thundering with unabated clamour at the opening of almost any page of the chequered annals of western history.
But, while it was to their credit that such men had the honesty to denounce the very church to which they had dedicated their lives, it is also to the latter’s discredit that she took no heed of the voices of anguish and anger of those of her sons who had taken the teaching of the Gospel to the letter and therefore were eager that the Roman Catholic system, which claimed to be the true bride of Christ, be as poor as one she called master.
When she did not silence them, she ignored them or, at the most, considered them utterances of religious innocents, to be tolerated as long as her revenue was not made to suffer.
Whenever that happened the Vatican did not hesitate to resort of the most prompt and drastic coercion to silence anyone capable of setting in motion forces, within or outside her, likely to divest her of her wealth.
So Dan, no need for crass inorance now. You have been corrected.
...by Avro Manhattan?

Probably not.

Jack Chick sells his books. That's all we need to know about him and his work.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#454135 Jun 19, 2013
921
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 1:28 is the passage.
Romans 3:23 deals with personal sin. Jesus Christ was without personal sin, I hope you'd admit.
Mary was conceived without sin as to be a stainless vessel for the New Covenant.
I will give odds and bet that you are not able to quote Scripture that supports this bag of hot air: Mary was conceived without sin as to be a stainless vessel for the New Covenant.

I will double my bet and raise the odds that you will okay one of your "tradition" cards....which the pope regurgitated and you swallowed it whole...licked your lips and said: Dang!!!! that was tasty!!!!

BTW..Joseph soiled her vessel....many many times: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife...

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#454136 Jun 19, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I implied that they threw a fish fry, because they threw a fish fry.
you know it is very sad to say this but I trust no catholic on this forum...wish I could..
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454137 Jun 19, 2013
Dust Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
Fasting in the Orthodox Church
General Guidelines for Fasting 2011
The guiding rule of the Fathers - never eat to the point of feeling full but rise from the table knowing that more could be taken and one is ready for prayer.
Fasting is never required when there are health issues that require the eating of certain foods.
Parents decide what age to begin a child fasting from foods. More importantly is teaching the fasting from behaviors not pleasing to God.
Foods allowed during Lent - this is considered Strict Fast
A vegetarian diet including but not limited to bread, grains, vegetables, soup, tofu, fruits, nuts, beans, shellfish, octopus, squid, juice, coffee, tea or water.
Foods not allowed during Great Lent:
All meat, poultry, fish, olive oil (vegetable oil is allowed), dairy products, cheese, milk, butter, eggs, and alcoholic beverages. Fish & olive oil are allowed on March 25 (Feast of the Annunciation) and Palm Sunday, April 17, 2011.
Days on which the number of meals is limited:
It is customary to limit the number of strict fast meals on Clean Monday (the first day of Lent, March 7, 2011), and on any day that you are preparing to receive Communion at a Presanctified liturgy.
Preparing for Presanctified Liturgies in the late afternoon:
There are three ways to prepare depending upon your personal abilities.
• If you are able - keep complete fast the entire day and have a meal after the Liturgy
• Or have a fast worthy breakfast, no lunch followed by a meal after the Liturgy
• Or have a fast worthy breakfast followed by a light lunch and a meal after the Liturgy.
Fasting Recommendation for Assumption Parishioners
Level I is recommended for those who never or rarely keep the fast throughout the year on Wednesdays and Fridays.
• Start by not eating any meat the first week of Lent and during Holy Week.
• Do not eat meat every Wednesday and Friday during Lent.
• Attempt to continue the Wednesday, Friday fast throughout the rest of the year and graduate next year to Level II.
Level II is recommended for those who keep the fast on Wednesdays and Fridays throughout the year but rarely follow a strict fast including dairy products and fish.
• 40 days no meat, plus all of Holy Week
• Dairy products & fish are allowed but not on Wednesdays and Fridays.
Level III is the ideal for those who fast throughout the year.
• 40 days of Lent and Holy Week are kept as a strict fast.
You may create your own guidelines that may be a combination of the above recommendations, please consult your priest if you have questions.
http://www.assumptionaz.org/studies_in_orthod...
Thanks.

I didn't really care, but Seraphima thinks it's really important that I know the Orthodox don't eat the fish they sell here in Omaha.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#454138 Jun 19, 2013
921
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 1:28 is the passage.
Romans 3:23 deals with personal sin. Jesus Christ was without personal sin, I hope you'd admit.
Mary was conceived without sin as to be a stainless vessel for the New Covenant.
NABre

28And coming to her, he said,“Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.

Where do it say: full of grace?????!!!

Hello!!!!
rosesz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#454139 Jun 19, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Good 4 U.
Nobody is forcing you to believe in 'our' Diety either!
What kinda moron spends hrs trying to trash something that doesn't even exist??
Found a kindred spirit looks like!!
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#454140 Jun 19, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>man am I lucky I'm not religious,do all groups act this nutty?
LOL not all Jethro, but their are a few in each group.

My cat is not doing well, I have to put her down.
she has lost use of her back legs.
I hate this .
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#454141 Jun 19, 2013
Dan wrote:
...by Avro Manhattan?
Probably not.
Jack Chick sells his books. That's all we need to know about him and his work.
Nothing to do with Jack Chick.

Avro Manhattan...
Born in Milan, Italy on April 6, 1914 to American and Swiss/Dutch parents of Jewish extraction, Manhattan was educated at the Sorbonne and the London School of Economics.

During World War II, Manhattan was jailed in Italy for refusing to serve in Benito Mussolini's fascist army.

Later during the war, he operated a radio station called "Radio Freedom" broadcasting to nations occupied by the Axis Powers.

For this service he was made a Knight of Malta.

His friends included H G Wells, Pablo Picasso, George Bernard Shaw and scientist Marie Stopes.

Manhattan spent much of his later life after 1979 at the ornately decorated home of his wife's late mother in South Shields, North East England.

Jack Chick? Nowhere to be seen! You are wrong again, Dan.

Now go study your catechism.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#454142 Jun 19, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
It don't work without the dang code June! An we gotta wait till this stupid planet(solar system) is just above the galactic plane of alignment(it's one o' them "free power" glitches). The Mayans knew all about it.
Dang it all anyway. But have faith that whatever happens, it must be accepted as Jehovah's will. It was written by some old "moldy" theologians, so it must be true.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#454143 Jun 19, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL not all Jethro, but their are a few in each group.
My cat is not doing well, I have to put her down.
she has lost use of her back legs.
I hate this .
I am so sorry to hear this. I know it is heart breaking when you have to do whats best for the companion that you love.I had to do this also this year.You dont want the to suffer so you have to do whats best.God Bless you.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#454144 Jun 19, 2013
Play In Pain

June 19, 2013 — by David C. Egner

Our Daily Bread


Read: Lamentations 3:1-3, 25-33

Though He causes grief, yet He will show compassion.—Lamentations 3:32

Nehemiah 12-13; Acts 4:23-37

Baseball Hall-of-Fame catcher Gary Carter was a follower of Jesus. During his 19-year career, he drew strength and endurance from his faith in God to compete day after day. In an article that appeared in the Wall Street Journal shortly after Carter died of brain cancer at age 57, writer Andrew Klavan told how Carter had influenced his life.

In the late 1980s, Klavan had sunk to a low point in his life. His mind dwelt on suicide. Then he heard Carter interviewed after a game. His team, the New York Mets, had won, and the aging catcher had helped by running hard at a critical point in the game. Carter was asked how he could do that with his aching knees. Klavan heard him say something like this:“Sometimes you just have to play in pain.” That simple statement helped draw Klavan out of his depression.“I can do that!” he declared. Encouraged, he found hope—and later became a believer in Christ.

The comforting truth behind Carter’s statement comes from Lamentations. We may face sorrow, pain, and hardship, but we don’t have to sink into self-pity. The same God who allows our suffering also showers us with His compassion (Lam. 3:32). With God’s love lifting us up, we can—if we have to—“play” in pain.
Along life’s pathway troubles come
That God will help us bear;
Then we can look beyond the pain
To those who need our care.—Branon

God will either spare you from suffering or give you the grace to bear it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#454145 Jun 19, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
921
<quoted text>
I will give odds and bet that you are not able to quote Scripture that supports this bag of hot air: Mary was conceived without sin as to be a stainless vessel for the New Covenant.
I will double my bet and raise the odds that you will okay one of your "tradition" cards....which the pope regurgitated and you swallowed it whole...licked your lips and said: Dang!!!! that was tasty!!!!
BTW..Joseph soiled her vessel....many many times: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife...
Luke 1:28.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#454146 Jun 19, 2013
Seraphima wrote:
<quoted text>you know it is very sad to say this but I trust no catholic on this forum...wish I could..
Concerning what remain mysteries, I don't trust anyone to tell the truth.

Bragging about having solved mysteries when there is no proof one way or the other ... is a fool's game.

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