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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703574 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#453625 Jun 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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This should be easy enough, JG.
Please cite Catholic teaching (from the Catechism, as that's where the teachings are) where instruction is given to accord divine worship to any save God, specifically to carved images.
Failing this, I'll expect you to recant your statements here.
Deal?
Of course Catholics do NOT view themselves as worshipping anyone but God.

But some Protestants will never believe otherwise.

I believe the problem is two-fold.

#1... Nothing about any god can be proven, and #2... there is a difference of opinion on the definition of the word "worship."

Without looking, I'll wager that given a dictionary's exact definition of "worship," Catholics do in fact "worship" Mary.

Any takers?
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#453626 Jun 18, 2013
It is written 3000 years ago altar with 4 horns..but horns is not God..no!

Its written after altar stay priest in white.

one night its took me..where..how i can know..but i see..door become open by-themselves..yes i did not see who..but i see church..yes as well i see i find myself front of white altar..yes..i see i stay from right hand ..then i notice i looking toward altar..then i see myself pool me i see myself after Altar in white long dress..pure white long dress..nothing over that dress no any picture..no any cross..simple long white dress..pure and looks very healthy.
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#453627 Jun 18, 2013
Is Holy Spirit bring me there front and after White Altar in white dress.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#453628 Jun 18, 2013
ReginaM wrote:
The Protestant Inquisition: "Reformation" Intolerance and Persecution
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW
II. PROTESTANT DIVISIONS AND MUTUAL ANIMOSITIES
III. PLUNDER AS AN AGENT OF RELIGIOUS REVOLUTION
IV. SYSTEMATIC SUPPRESSION OF CATHOLICISM
V. VIOLENT RADICALISM AND THE PROTESTANT REVOLUTION
VI. DEATH AND TORTURE FOR CATHOLICS, PROTESTANT DISSIDENTS, AND JEWS
VII. PROTESTANT CENSORSHIP
BIBLIOGRAPHY
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/protes...
Thanks, saved to favorites.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#453629 Jun 18, 2013
1 Corinthians 2:5

That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#453630 Jun 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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God did not build his church upon a pebble called Peter/Cephas..
but upon the Rock Christ Jesus...
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...

Jesus’ church means the community that he will gather and that, like a building, will have Peter as its solid foundation. That function of Peter consists in his being witness to Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#453631 Jun 18, 2013
rosesz wrote:
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What is so difficult to understand about Jon 3:16
It is the basis for our faith really
That and He is the Way to the Father
Christ is our Saviour. He came to take our sin .
When we make it complicated we are a stumbling block to others. Imo
Nothing. John 3:16 stands up.

If that one line was the basis for protestant belief, there'd be maybe 20 protestant denominations rather than the tens of thousands extant now.

I simply am trying to ascertain the basis for ministerial authority in Protestantism.

One protestant with 60+ years of bible study just told me that there never has been any Earthly authority to teach Jesus' message.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#453632 Jun 18, 2013
"Auguste Comte also writes:

The intolerance of Protestantism was certainly not less tyrannical than that with which Catholicism is so much reproached.(Philosophie Positive, IV, 51)

What makes, however, Protestant persecutions specially revolting is the fact that they were absolutely inconsistent with the primary doctrine of Protestantism -- the right of private judgment in matters of religious belief! Nothing can be more illogical than at one moment to assert that one may interpret the Bible to suit himself, and at the next to torture and kill him for having done so!"

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/protes...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#453633 Jun 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well, no, it doesn't, as the difference stems from your duelling interpretations of scripture.
Either one protestant is correct or neither are correct. How is this determined?
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...

That Scripture does not say that all have sinned??? Really!!! What, then, does it say!!!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#453634 Jun 18, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Of course Catholics do NOT view themselves as worshipping anyone but God.
But some Protestants will never believe otherwise.
I believe the problem is two-fold.
#1... Nothing about any god can be proven, and #2... there is a difference of opinion on the definition of the word "worship."
Without looking, I'll wager that given a dictionary's exact definition of "worship," Catholics do in fact "worship" Mary.
Any takers?
I'm in.

Here's your exact definition from Webster's. I'll assume you find Webster's to be a reliable dictionary source.

2

: reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wor...

Well, we don't believe Mary is divine, so there you go.

That was fun.

BTW, if Catholics DID worship Mary, why do you think they'd be loathe to tell people they did? They certainly aren't shy about telling people what they believe, but somehow you think they'd "hide" worshipping Mary if they in fact DID do it.
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#453635 Jun 18, 2013
Do you liked log from your neighbor?
'look log in your eyes'

Do you wish what belong to your brother..wife money property and so on..?
Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#453636 Jun 18, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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See it's funny how you say nobody can really know anything, all the while believing you know everything. And funnier that your misunderstanding of Catholic matters leads you to think that the Church is confused or that God is confused.
The technique is called "projecting". A common way to ascribe your own deficiencies to someone else.
There is no way in the world that you are going to be able to see anything with your eyes taped shut. The least you could do is leave those people alone who actually have their eyes open and can see what's around them. That goes for all fanatical atheists and anti-catholics fundies.
Where do I ever say I know everything? That's your church's job. Nice try at spin, but I'm not the one claiming to know the answer to the greatest mystery in the universe.

I do not stand on a pedestal and judge all other churches as defective or worse. That's you and the article of this board states it plainly for all who can read.

One of the fundamental claims of your church is that it alone is given perfect teachings on faith and morals.

Teachings can be diced, sliced, and categorized. But no one can tell us which CC teachings fall into the category of "perfect."

It doesn't take a fanatic to ask a simple question.

It takes a fanatic NOT to ask. "Why doesn't my church put have a list of its "perfect teachings." It takes a fanatic to makes excuses for such nonsense.

Hope this helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_d...

At what level of "theological certainty" are you allowed to mock someone for being mistaken about a Catholic teaching?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#453637 Jun 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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You want to argue...I don't
God is not the author of confusion.
You have his word before you .
Figure it out for your self.
Is asking you what you are trying to articulate an argument!!!!!

No!!!! I am wanting to understand what you are trying to say!!!! That is not an argument!!!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#453638 Jun 18, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Of course Catholics do NOT view themselves as worshipping anyone but God.
But some Protestants will never believe otherwise.
I believe the problem is two-fold.
#1... Nothing about any god can be proven, and #2... there is a difference of opinion on the definition of the word "worship."
Without looking, I'll wager that given a dictionary's exact definition of "worship," Catholics do in fact "worship" Mary.
Any takers?
Speaking of "without looking", I gave you a homework assignment to find the web location for Catholic teaching. How's that coming along?

Remember, among this crowd, you'd be "Research King" if you can cite that web location, and I'd accord you that title in all subsequent communications. Tempting, huh?

Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#453639 Jun 18, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Does yours?
Kindly explain to me how Luther's rediscovery of the truth that God's grace IS A GIFT and cannot be EARNED in any whatsoever "caused of millions of souls being in jeopardy of eternal hell." My goodness, don't you think that always having to wonder whether one has done enough to "earn" salvation, not trusting Jesus to save you, puts a whole lot more souls in jeopardy of hell?
And what is this obsession you have with Luther's physical ailments and how 16th century people relieved themselves?
Just Sayin, I gotta hand it to you. I've been chatting online in one forum or another for many years now and I've seen a LOT of obscene or profane or vulgar posts, and quite a few which were all of those things. But I don't think I've EVER before seen a piece of filth like that coming from someone who claims to be a Christian. Do you save your used toilet paper and go around showing it off to family and friends too?
Oops, did I hit a nerve? What does your church teach about masturbation?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#453640 Jun 18, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...
That Scripture does not say that all have sinned??? Really!!! What, then, does it say!!!!
I'm not arguing with you on any point of scripture right now.

You and GIF are, however, having at each other on some point and I'm asking how such disputes are resolved in Protestantism.

GIF told you to open you bible and figure it out yourself, which I'm assuming you had already done or attempted to do prior to engaging GIF in your dialogue.

Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#453641 Jun 18, 2013
dan wrote:
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LOL.
Thought you wouldn't be able to locate it.
You're GIF with better grammar.
Next.
No one can locate it? That is my point.

http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2011/05/ther...

"There is no set list of ex cathedra teachings, but that’s because there are only two, and both are about Mary:"

But wait! http://www.catholic.com/tracts/papal-infallib...

"The infallibility of the pope is not a doctrine that suddenly appeared in Church teaching; rather, it is a doctrine which was implicit in the early Church."

There were many Papal decrees that were deemed infallible before 1870. But many proved embarrassing, so the definition was changed and everything was set straight.

The absurd notion that God wants things to work this way -- with such a lack of integrity -- is one I simply cannot understand, and why should I, or anyone else?

The CC has had 2000 years to make its case. Today, 95% of humanity say something is wrong. No duh!
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#453642 Jun 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Nothing. John 3:16 stands up.
If that one line was the basis for protestant belief, there'd be maybe 20 protestant denominations rather than the tens of thousands extant now.
I simply am trying to ascertain the basis for ministerial authority in Protestantism.
One protestant with 60+ years of bible study just told me that there never has been any Earthly authority to teach Jesus' message.
There are theological and '
CHRISTIAN colleges.

And men called to be pastors ..but we as believers endowed by the Spirit can ascertain wheat from the chaff.

For me I pray for truth in all I read and hear.

And I sm nit all knowing by any means ..but if something is directly contrary to scripture.

I leave or change the channel or put down the book. One thing about kindle ..you can get samples before you buy.

And my Oe. Theology on basics comes right from your church ..but relying on Gods word..with the help of the Spirit ..you will not falter no matter who is in the pulpit.

SOME DOGMA just dies not ring true.

But if you use John 3:16 as your measuring stick..In the end God will sort out the differences.

I think he will laugh at some of it others probably grieve Him

Imo
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#453643 Jun 18, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
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Where might we find the verse Paul tells us "tradition" is profitable? Where might we find the verse Paul tells us anything other than Scripture is profitable?
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Just Sayin do you have a Bible? Here is the Scripture you say you quoted above.
II Thessalonians 2:13-14, 13 "But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits* to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. 14 To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
NOT ONCE did Jesus speak well about traditions, Neither did Paul as he said in Colossians 2:8 “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, AND NOT AFTER CHRIST.” He said to” let the word of God dwell in you richly.” It is the word of God that is living and active (Heb.4:12) to change one from the inside, traditions can never be a alternative or of equal value to what God has spoken and written down for all generations to live by.
Gee, is your memory really that bad? Scripture about holding fast to tradition has been posted again and again.
Well, here it is. Again.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.

2 Thessalonians 2:14
Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

It has been explained before that the "traditions" that Jesus condemned were the customs of the levitical law which, since Jesus came, were not necessary anymore.
The "tradition" which the verses speak of above is the tradition of Christianity. Which, by the way, had not been neatly compiled into a Bible yet at the time of the writings of the various NT books.

And don't be so lame as to ask me if I have a Bible. Where do you think I got the above verses?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#453644 Jun 18, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
For awhile there I thought we were on the same planet....
Show me Scripture in the Bible that teaches Christ lived on earth for some 33 years as the incarnate Son of God, was crucified, died, buried, and ascended into Heaven, before the NT....
**********
You don't know how these things were accomplished in God's timetable. Scripture says that Jesus was CRUCIFIED BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN.
We can't 'see' it all, but He still said that He was before Abraham. He also said that 'Abraham desired to see My day, and he saw it, and was glad.'
He walked in the fiery furnace with the Hebrew children. He followed them in the wilderness as their Rock. Scripture tells us all this and more.
He IS GOD, you know...
KayMarie
So then you cannot show me Scripture that teaches Christ lived on earth for some 33 years as the incarnate Son of God, was crucified, died, buried, and ascended into Heaven, before the NT...

Christ was never crucified anywhere but as told in the NT...it was foretold...it was prophesied...but that is not the same as Him actually being crucified...

While on earth He was the incarnate Son of God...so says Scripture...

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