Maybe you are thinking of Henry the VIII? He was the one that unpoped himself to get remarried and started the Anglican religion.<quoted text>
Luther wanted to get married ... so he ordered the god of the Jews in the sky to ordain Luther's command.
Religion was always FUN for the theologians that changed the dogmas to suit their own pleasures.
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#453164 Jun 17, 2013
#453165 Jun 17, 2013
Good point. How many times did Jesus say we could all have his powers?
That means whatever you want.
On behalf of all Pastafarians, sorry about the flood accident. I cannot find the FSM Gospel online. Do you still have the link?
I hope I don't have too many more apologies to give.
#453166 Jun 17, 2013
About $8 billion. That's about $6.67 per Catholic.
#453167 Jun 17, 2013
#453168 Jun 17, 2013
No. Is it online? Got a link?
Yes, I understand my FSM involves a certain amount of myth, but we do have empirical science as well.
Please, just don't tell me we killed anyone else after the flood.
Since: Sep 09
#453169 Jun 17, 2013
My attitude is that if the god exists, it's ALL his fault.
Nothing could have occurred without his plan.
Today as I shoveled soil out of my compost, I watched the home of countless insects being disturbed and some of the insects being cut in half by my shovel.
But according to religious "reasoning" it's okay that they suffered ... as it was part of god's divine plan.
You people continue to defend what has no defense.
Suffering could not exist unless the Creator ordained it to be so.
I refuse to believe that a creator would be so absolutely vindictive. But for your promise of salvation from theologians, you will continue to defend such violence against living beings that a god supposedly LOVES.
If HE doesn't protect the most vulnerable and innocent forms of life in his creation, you haven't a hope in hell that he cares one bit about you.
Religion is silly.
#453170 Jun 17, 2013
How he *thinks* it has is quite the point, isn't it? It seems to bother some here terribly that the Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded. They try very hard to refute that truth with such gems as "your church has sinners, so it can't be the one, true church" or "the Mass is now in the vernacular, so it's not the same church as it was in the first century, it's different now". Such HUGE changes, lol! Weak arguments to go with their weak minds that are so easily swayed by any bigot that grabs hold of them.
I was reading something the other day about one particular group of anti-Catholics. It seems that it's mostly the protestant converts to that church, including priests, who are inciting the greater part of the bigotry. They just can't let go of their anti-papal sentiments. It was attested to by several members of this particular church, and based on comments on this thread, they're correct. Not only sad, but sinful. Well, as an old friend used to say, every knock (from them) is a boost (up).
Since: Apr 07
#453171 Jun 17, 2013
The one who is suffering from diarrhea of the mouth is YOU, in fact, you have diarrhea all over the place. You and your group are basing your ENTIRE theology--THEOLOGY, mind you, not faith--on ONE book of the Bible. That's not a good idea even if you choose a book from the NEW Testament, but to build a selective theology like yours, based on ONE prophetical book of the O.T. and and a handful of cherry-picked verses from others is EXTREMELY foolish, at best.
And I say "foolish" to be kind. If I wanted to be unkind, I'd say something about the possibility of this being yet another scare tactic to manipulate people who don't know what the Bible really does say and really does not say.
Say...did you ever know a guy called Warren Jeffs? I never heard of your group before this, but I have a feeling you and Jeffs would get along great.
“Pillars of Creation....”
Since: Jan 11
Into this world we're thrown
#453172 Jun 17, 2013
I believe it wasnt until the 14'th or 15'th century. The reason? Take a wild guess, remember were talking about the Catholic church here..........
Money... When a clergy died the money and property the church had built up would go to the survivng spouse. The church didnt like missing out on all that cash and so implemented the celibacy policy..........Imagine that..........
“GOD SO LOVED US”
Since: Aug 08
He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ
#453173 Jun 17, 2013
But having fund raising by telling people they coukd cut down time in purgatory for themselves and lived ones in return for money is just plain wrong.
And when or if the Church condemned the process after Luther brought the attention..
DID THE CC refund the money and let the contributors know it did Not buy them anything .
Or did they use the money to build the VATICAN..
And in modern day does the CC use Vatican Money fir these lawsuits.
Or do the diocese pay by closing poorer parishes and selling the REAL ESTATE.
#453174 Jun 17, 2013
Electricity and utilities are not free for the CC. Food and shelter are not free for the clergy and religious. Clothing and other necessities are not free for Catholics. Cars and gas are not free for the clergy. Those that work at the Vatican and in local Churches as laypeople don't volunteer their time for free. They have families to take care of. Catholic teachers at Catholic schools don't work for free. Health insurance for these people is not free.
And don't forget that the CC is one of the largest charitable organization in the world. Catholic Charities is only one group and it is the second largest social service provider in the US, surpassed only by the fed gov.
And that is only ONE group under the CC which uses money tithed to the to help feed, clothe, shelter, and provide healthcare and education people all around the world.
Maybe you could provide a list of atheistic charitable organizations?
#453175 Jun 17, 2013
It's called a criminal conspiracy in the real world.
Check... Bad acts were committed in the name of God.
Check... no one disputes that the Bad Acts also supplied a great deal of money to "The Church."
Thanks to Martin Luther and others, we know that sometimes these bad acts were committed with Church knowledge. Even a few Popes in the past had pointed out the sin. But like in a recent scandal, the sin was largely ignored for the greater good.
Again, that's a criminal conspiracy in the real world. But in Catholic world, a not so terrible, maybe kinda moral thing.
After all, Jesus surely wanted a giant palace for his vicars, and how do you pay for that without stretching the rules and quietly looking away?
I get it. Just don't try to convince me (or the rest of the world) that "The Church" was part of the sale of indulgences. You would be laughed out of any Court of Law in the Western world.
Only an imaginary god would allow such nonsense to fund the Vatican.
#453176 Jun 17, 2013
Well, I'll believe what history teaches, and it doesn't teach that Luther's desire for marriage was a prime in the Reformation.
You're stating that it did is simply self-serving on your part, bereft of any support.
Since: Sep 09
#453177 Jun 17, 2013
All religion is based on its own creeds.
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1.A system of Christian or other religious belief; a faith.
#453178 Jun 17, 2013
Correction -- I get it. Just don't try to convince me (or the rest of the world) that "The Church" was NOT part of the sale of indulgences. You would be laughed out of any Court of Law in the Western world.
#453179 Jun 17, 2013
The muddy mind says "doctrine, dogma, practice, discipline...all same thing."
#453180 Jun 17, 2013
I'm not sure Jesus said we could have all his powers, unless you mean that He said we could have the fruits of the Holy Spirit. In that way becoming like Jesus. A tough row to hoe without help.
Yes, here's the link:
Or just go to Amazon.com and search in the book section.
I've never had a problem ordering from Amazon.
You know if I find any inconsistancy in the Gospel of FSM with what you've been preaching here, I'm going to have to let you know about it.
#453181 Jun 17, 2013
Don't forget that God suffered the most of all.
#453182 Jun 17, 2013
the catholic institution is not The Church. People from every tribe , tongue, and nation who believe in Jesus Christ and are born again, are the Church of Christ.
the catholic religion, just like the protestant religion was not created by God.
God did not create a religion, Jesus ministry was not to start a religion, He came preaching the Kingdom of God.
The Holy Spirit uses whom He wishes, and anoints whom He wishes with Spiritual Gifts.
There are 9 Gifts ,
The Word of Knowledge
The Word of Wisdom
The Gift of Prophecy
The Gift of Faith
The Gifts of Healings
The Working of Miracles
The Discerning of Spirits
Different Kinds of Tongues
The Interpretation of Tongues
They are for every member of the church of God;
3.Do not quench the Spirit, do not despise prophecies.(1 Thessalonians 5:19)
4.Do not neglect the gift that is in you Meditate on these things, give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all.(1 Timothy 4:14)
5.Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.(2 Timothy 1:6)
Whatever gift the Holy Spirit has anointed you with, do not shun it.
every believer should go to the Lord in prayer and ask Him to release these 9 gifts through them anytime that He will want to do so. Let God know that you will be a willing vessel for the manifestations of these gifts,
9 Fruits of the Spirit are. Galatians 5:22
Since: Sep 09
#453183 Jun 17, 2013
Those who supported him idolized him ... and those who hated him vilified him.
And that's religion for you.
Good or bad are simply human perception ... and nothing on which to depend.
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From the book,History of Christianity, by Clyde L. Manschreck comes the following ..
Assessments of Martin Luther (14831546) vary widely, depending on the stance of the assessor. To Pope Leo X he was stiff-necked notorious, damned heretic; to Philip Melanchthon and many of his contemporaries, a second Elijah, a new Paul. For 400 years from Thomas Murner in 1520 and Johann Dobneck in 1549 to Harmann Grisar and Heinrich Denifle in the twentieth century, Roman Catholic writers pictured Luther as a seven-headed monstrosity, a sick monk driven by sex, a desperate criminal, a destroyer of culture, a misguided radical. Since 1950 however, many Catholic scholars have hailed him as a profound reformer. To Goethe he was a genius; to Neitzsche a vulgar peasant. Luther regarded himself as a tool of God.
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