Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 20 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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truth

Perth, Australia

#452736 Jun 16, 2013
evil is evil
evil is real

don't make me sick
i am fine
truth

Perth, Australia

#452737 Jun 16, 2013
What stay within me?
Please tell me!!!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452738 Jun 16, 2013
The trade-off of salvation for keeping faith and strict obedience to the Catholic church was and is an indulgence.

They give you words to indulge your desires to perceive your self as special ... and you in turn indulge them by being held in bondage under the spell of that word salvation.

None of you chooses to leave the dark ages of your religion, as you are certain the pay-off will be enormous in the "end."
truth

Perth, Australia

#452739 Jun 16, 2013
river tiber..
please explain
trebir..trebizat..tiny so tiny river where i born

now

i please you now

What stay within me?
Do you understood what I asked you?

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#452740 Jun 16, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Belief in a totally unprovable deity is the insanity.
Prove your deity exists, then I may believe in any of the rest of the rhetoric.
You are utilizing deflection.
That is dishonest.
Luke 16:19 [Jesus said]“There was a rich man who...lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table...

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him,‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied,‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered,‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied,‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said,‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him,‘IF THEY DO NOT LISTEN TO MOSES AND THE PROPHETS, THEY WILL NOT BE CONVINCED EVEN IF SOMEONE RISES FROM THE DEAD.’”
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It's not for me to prove to you or anyone that God exists, even if I could. And I'm not about to be dumb enough to try, because your mind is not only closed to the possibility that God exists, it's padlocked shut against it.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452741 Jun 16, 2013
truth wrote:
evil is evil
evil is real
don't make me sick
i am fine
From my perspective, all that investment in the existence of evil won't make you fine.

To believe in it, makes is seem real to you, and it can easily overtake YOU.

Be careful!

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452742 Jun 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Sure we can, and the reason is that JESUS is the Truth.
Do you believe that the one and only god serves the Jews, Catholics, Muslims and Protestants equal portions of good and evil???
Clay

United States

#452743 Jun 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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There was indeed "outright selling of indulgences." This was the tipping point where Martin Luther was concerned: he was sick over the claim by the Catholic Church (of that time) that salvation could be purchased by money or any other means.
The Popes of that day, Julius II and Leo X (1513–1521)wanted to build this modest little dwelling we know today as St. Peter's Basilica.
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"Pope Julius II planned far more for St Peter's than Nicholas V's program of repair or modification. Julius was at that time planning his own tomb, which was to be designed and adorned with sculpture by Michelangelo and placed within St Peter's. In 1505 Julius made a decision to demolish the ancient basilica and replace it with a monumental structure to house his enormous tomb and "aggrandize himself in the popular imagination".
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Such a huge, elaborate structure wasn't going to be cheap.
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"One method employed to finance the building of St. Peter's Basilica was the granting of indulgences in return for contributions. A major promoter of this method of fund-raising was Albrecht, Archbishop of Mainz and Magdeburg, who had to clear debts owed to the Roman Curia by contributing to the rebuilding program. To facilitate this, he appointed the German Dominican preacher Johann Tetzel, whose salesmanship provoked a scandal.
A German Augustinian priest, Martin Luther, wrote to Archbishop Albrecht arguing against this "selling of indulgences". He also included his "Disputation of Martin Luther on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences", which came to be known as The 95 Theses. This became a factor in starting the Reformation, the birth of Protestantism."
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Both quotes above are from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Peter%27s_B...
I have a great deal of respect for the Roman Catholic Church, and I particularly admire its uncompromising stance on the value of human life. But there's no point in covering up the mistakes of the past, in the Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church (including my own LCMS), American history or any other place. Better to face them squarely and learn from them.
Whether there was outright selling of indulgences or not. Luther had no authority to implement Sola Scripture and Sola fide into Christianity. Those false doctrines did not come from Jesus Christ. Can't you see the fruits of Sola Scripture? Some of it is milder (Lutheranism) and some of it is extreme (Jehovah's and SDA). Everyone else is floating about in between, trying to figure out Christianity and oddly, all claiming to be led to Biblical truth by the Holy Spirit. That's called blasphemy in my opinion.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452744 Jun 16, 2013
Clay wrote:
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That truth doesn't sound as enticing to the Protestants. They'd rather embrace a lie so they can justify anti catholicism! Good Post Anthony.
I just caught a few Sunnys on White Bear Lake that surprised me. They are not usually this big here.
Do you believe that the one and only god serves the Jews, Catholics, Muslims and Protestants equal portions of good and evil???

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452745 Jun 16, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Black Thunder 42
That would be insane. And there are many on that merry-go-round.
But people tend to gravitate toward what they have been taught, and it has been shown to be true. One does not knowingly put one's hand in the proverbial fire twice, to know. Once is enough.
Building from religion, it teaches both to accept where one has been, where one is at, and frees one. That is to be both slave and free.
John 8:32 "...“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”"
I am totally free in my belief. I do NOT need some archaic deity with the inhibited attributes of mankind to tell me how or when to act or think, nor the archaic writings of illiterate and limited understanding persons of all that is to tell me what I generally have a better understanding than they do about it all.
One can not be both "slave" and "free" at the same time. That is the dilemma of religion. It is disingenuous in itself, and is the cause of mental disfunction(impairment) among it adherents. It is "induced delusion" by the religion. One condition I do not wish to indulge in or make myself subject to.
truth

Perth, Australia

#452746 Jun 16, 2013
talteltiltoltul
latletlitlotlut
explain tel
let lut

i am still alive
how long

i think proply and clear
i don't think nothing against myself
i am full of life

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452747 Jun 16, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Myth 7: A person used to be able to buy indulgences.
Always did and always will, as long as religion exists.

Years ago, an owner of a hotel was very proud of paying $10,000 to the pope of the day for a guarantee that he would go to heaven.

My brother saw (with his own eyes) the man's supposed certificate of "passage" of which the heavy-duty Catholic was very proud.

It was encased in a glass frame and supposedly had the signature of the pope of that era signed at the bottom.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452748 Jun 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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You're not answering the question.
Why are you such a vicious, ill-tempered shrew, with never a nice thing to say to anyone--not even to people who are NOT Christians? Besides which, plenty of people who are atheists, etc. can be polite and even friendly with Christians, so whatever your problem is, it is yours and yours alone, and has NOTHING to do with religion. So I'll ask again:
Why are you such a vindictive bitter harpy?
Why do you profess a deity that you can not even prove exists?
Is the vicious threat of eternal damnation not just as ugly on the part of christian indoctrinates, especially in lieu that you can't even prove your deity exists?
In the eyes of non-christians you are arrogant, vindictive, hateful fools of self deception.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#452749 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Do you believe that the one and only god serves the Jews, Catholics, Muslims and Protestants equal portions of good and evil???
Dumb question. EVIL is not from God at all. It's from the devil and from the sinful human heart.

I see you're still not answering MY question to you. Chicken :)

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452750 Jun 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Why are you such a vindictive bitter harpy?
It just comes natural to me.

We can't all post nice sentiments to others as do you.

:)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452751 Jun 16, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Myth 7: A person used to be able to buy indulgences.
One never could "buy" indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms—indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "[I]t is easy to see how abuses crept in. Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place.... It is well to observe that in these purposes there is nothing essentially evil. To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded."
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/myths-about-in...
Cathaholic apologetocs at it's best...or worst.
truth

Perth, Australia

#452752 Jun 16, 2013
truth

Perth, Australia

#452753 Jun 16, 2013

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452754 Jun 16, 2013
Roberta G wrote:
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Here is that "impossible standard set forth by this imagined deity" you mentioned:
John 13:34 [Jesus said]“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”
Granted, no Christian fully lives up to that, but that's another post.
Now, tell me, Black Thunder, what is "insane" about people loving each other?
There is nothing wrong with two pwople loving each other.
There is something wrong with your deflection in regard to the statement though.
You are being dishonest.
Prove your deity exists or don't make claims in it's behalf as though they are true.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452755 Jun 16, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Building from religion, it teaches both to accept where one has been, where one is at, and frees one. That is to be both slave and free.
John 8:32 "...“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”"
So your scripture written by Catholics for Catholics, set you, AS a Catholic free ... HUH?

Does that mean that the one god favors Catholics rather than Jews???

If he does, he can't be trusted. The minute your back is turned, he might favor Muslims or Protestants. WHO KNOWS what he will do next?

:)

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