Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 686022 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452705 Jun 16, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Tell me what you are led to believe in the following:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Oxbow:

Pretty much John 20:31, and I John 5:13 are basically the same for me, in that the words used as "believe, and believing", are not of man's confidence in acquisition, but rather God's influence in and upon faith.

John is writing these things, yes, but it is not in merely accepting his writings that gives life, but rather the power of God that gives life.

Jesus is the Father's Son, and the Expression of the Father to the Son, and Son to the Father, is the Holy Spirit(which we most easily associate with Love), thus we know Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the Three Persons known as God.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#452706 Jun 16, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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I find it insulting and arrogant that someone who bases their life on fantasy and archaic mystic supernatural beliefs, would even consider the audacity to tell me how to live in the real world, or threaten me with such nonsense.
In fact, I have to consider such individuals subordinate in intellectual reason and mental capacity, as they are incapable of dealing with actuality and can not deal with proper decision making in it's concern.
They don't want to deal with the idea that they have been taught lies. It would remove their dreams of salvation and eternal bliss ... and that to them is unacceptable.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#452707 Jun 16, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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True, but shouldn't it make just a little sense?
For example....
How does a church claim that it never taught the sale of indulgences was OK -- when that church's world HQ was built with money derived from the sale of indulgences?
This same church tells us they have a secret code book from god that only they can interpret correctly.....
... which is why this church had nothing to do with the child sex abuse scandal that bankrupted so many church diocese in the USA.
OK, I guess when we look at the big picture, it begins to make sense.
Another glass of blood please.
The church is no less hypocritical today than it was throughout history.
The only difference, is it is hobbled in many areas from acting out it's atrocities in most of the world.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452708 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Joan of Arc comes to mind. The Catholics burned her at the stake, to later canonize her as a saint.
If that didn't make Catholics question the nonsense preached as truth by their theologians ... nothing would.
That word salvation kept the faithful on the straight and narrow road to trust in more and more stupidity.
Exactly!
The IRONY...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#452709 Jun 16, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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True, but shouldn't it make just a little sense?
For example....
How does a church claim that it never taught the sale of indulgences was OK -- when that church's world HQ was built with money derived from the sale of indulgences?
This same church tells us they have a secret code book from god that only they can interpret correctly.....
... which is why this church had nothing to do with the child sex abuse scandal that bankrupted so many church diocese in the USA.
OK, I guess when we look at the big picture, it begins to make sense.
Another glass of blood please.
When I was in religion I had a double dose of constant confusion.

Now that I am no longer in religion, I am at peace with my confusion. I don't need to know my future, if even a future exists. I'm quite content to simply try to do my best each day in treating others as equal and being worthy of the same treatment as I want for me.

Since: Jun 10

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#452710 Jun 16, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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None of which can be verified or proven.
The evidence for both sides is made up. There is no provable foundation upon which to build an agreement.
Therefore, this debate is 100% predictable. There will be no end, until the god goes out of fashion, or until one side is able to annihilate the other.
Crawl back under your rock....your hissing is not appreciated...
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452711 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I was referring to the theology ... NOT the idea that the scenario actually occurred.
Catholics wrote that theology, and my guess is, they didn't think far enough ahead to realize that some day people might question the idea that if Mary uttered the word Rabboni to Jesus, that would equate to the idea that he was not associated in any way with Catholicism, but rather was a Jewish Rabbi through and through on earth AND in the hereafter.
June:

Your anti-theology stand is noted.

I suppose you could make a similar case, that other languages may or may not have the word "the" in them, and this would make theologians in a conspiracy when they used the word "the".

Here is the point, you try to make people different, when people are people.

If Mary had said, "Professor", then you would say she meant he was a Professor of Judaism. There is no proof of what you conjecture. She said Rabboni, which means High Teacher, and may be a sign of endearment, within the context she used it.

:)
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#452712 Jun 16, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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That's not "proof". That is rhetorical apologetics enforced and propogated by a religious organization.
Perhaps you need to learn the difference.
Proof is evidence validated by trial and testing that can, will and has withstand the element of "time". The Early Christian such as Augustine Irenaeus, Justin, Tertullian, etc. all contended resolutely with arriving at TRUTH combining and intertwining "faith and reason",.... WITHOUT any religious organization to influence them!..... What you fail to understand Black Thunder 42 is that "I HAVE learned the difference!!!..As an agnostic or atheists (whatever you call yourself)--you, my friend, have , unfortunately (failed) to grasp ANY of it, which is no surprise to ANY of us Catholics!!!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452713 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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They don't want to deal with the idea that they have been taught lies. It would remove their dreams of salvation and eternal bliss ... and that to them is unacceptable.
In other words, they are intentionally taught by their church to live in fear of a deity that will unmercifully punish them for eternity if they do not live by absolutely impossible standards set forth by this imagined deity....That is the definition of insanity...or at least, mental incompetence.
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#452714 Jun 16, 2013
For seek of his sorrowful passion have Mercy on us and whole world.

truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#452715 Jun 16, 2013
For seek of his sorrowful passion ..have Mercy on us and whole world.

Since: Jun 10

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#452716 Jun 16, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Again, the Church never taught selling indulgences or torture of the Jews. Those things were done by bad guys contrary to Church teachings.
Bl. John Paul II apologized for those bad guys.
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You will never learn...do not tell a lie that can easily be proven a lie!!!!

On the net: TIME US

Indulgences (no relation here to bubble baths or truffles) have been part of Catholic doctrine since the Crusades. When the Church offered them for sale in the 1500s — call it mercy for money — religious reformer Martin Luther protested. These days, they can't be bought. "How does that MasterCard ad go?" muses Sister Mary Ann Walsh, spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "Some things are priceless." (See pictures of Pope Benedict XVI visiting the U.S.)

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,859...
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452717 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you so ignorant as to believe that the term Rabboni is Catholic???
You can't possibly BE that stupid.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
From the book “Smith’s Bible Dictionary.
Rabbi
The titles were used with different degrees of honor; the lowest being rab, master; then rabbi, my master; next rabban, our master; and greatest of all, rabboni, my great master.
June

Because universities were started by the Church in Medieval Europe, I suggest that you do not go to any doctors, lawyers, and teacher, that have degrees such as PhD, and MD after their names.

It must be terrible for you to know that theology conspired to educate people.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#452718 Jun 16, 2013
hojo wrote:
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Proof is evidence validated by trial and testing that can, will and has withstand the element of "time". The Early Christian such as Augustine Irenaeus, Justin, Tertullian, etc. all contended resolutely with arriving at TRUTH combining and intertwining "faith and reason",.... WITHOUT any religious organization to influence them!..... What you fail to understand Black Thunder 42 is that "I HAVE learned the difference!!!..As an agnostic or atheists (whatever you call yourself)--you, my friend, have , unfortunately (failed) to grasp ANY of it, which is no surprise to ANY of us Catholics!!!
Truth?
Prove your deity exists.
THAT would be truth...

What you spew is "rhetoric", and that is all it is. Ancient hearsay is NOT proof of anything--unless you have a less than adequate mind with which to reason...

It appears that is the circumstance in your case.

You can't "handle" "TRUTH".
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#452719 Jun 16, 2013
Did yew complain about Laos?
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452720 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you and your bible enlightening people to treat each other as equals?
Your religion teaches that we must all follow your beliefs or end up on the short end of the stick, in hell.
I have no use for such nonsense. Superstitious religion creates the disturbances on earth that it professes to CURE.
June

You didn't answer Roberta's question. Hmmm. Forgot?

So you are saying, the reason for the ill's of people and society is that religion is the "creator" of them, and that the reason you are so full of nonsense is that religion created you that way.

That is a most humbling admission by you.
truth

Huntingdale, Australia

#452721 Jun 16, 2013
it is written tribe against tribe nation against nation..

it is written
blade blade blade of Jesus Christ..
'it is written'
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452722 Jun 16, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Truth?
Prove your deity exists.
THAT would be truth...
What you spew is "rhetoric", and that is all it is. Ancient hearsay is NOT proof of anything--unless you have a less than adequate mind with which to reason...
It appears that is the circumstance in your case.
You can't "handle" "TRUTH".
Black Thunder 42

Here is the dilemma we face. TRUTH

It is part of the transcendentals, and so for the Christian, and I might say people in general, we consider that Truth, Beauty, and Goodness are related.

Thus when I say, where there is truth, there is also beauty and goodness, these are all related in reality, and are not subject to proof, unless reality is subject to proof.

Science is also approaching a crisis of existence, in that post-modern relativism destroys all "evidence" of science nearly as fast as it is found.

So the double dilemma exists, and the religiously minded prefers to keep its deeper historical values, while science cannot face them, nor even its own values....
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452724 Jun 16, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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In other words, they are intentionally taught by their church to live in fear of a deity that will unmercifully punish them for eternity if they do not live by absolutely impossible standards set forth by this imagined deity....That is the definition of insanity...or at least, mental incompetence.
Black Thunder 42

That would be insane. And there are many on that merry-go-round.

But people tend to gravitate toward what they have been taught, and it has been shown to be true. One does not knowingly put one's hand in the proverbial fire twice, to know. Once is enough.

Building from religion, it teaches both to accept where one has been, where one is at, and frees one. That is to be both slave and free.

John 8:32 "...“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”"

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#452725 Jun 16, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you and your bible enlightening people to treat each other as equals?
Your religion teaches that we must all follow your beliefs or end up on the short end of the stick, in hell.
I have no use for such nonsense. Superstitious religion creates the disturbances on earth that it professes to CURE.
You're not answering the question.

Why are you such a vicious, ill-tempered shrew, with never a nice thing to say to anyone--not even to people who are NOT Christians? Besides which, plenty of people who are atheists, etc. can be polite and even friendly with Christians, so whatever your problem is, it is yours and yours alone, and has NOTHING to do with religion. So I'll ask again:

Why are you such a vindictive bitter harpy?

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