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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 692022 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#452483 Jun 15, 2013
who="Oxbow"
He did not know because He was not God..as the Catholics on this form insist...
This false belief is debunked by their own pope approved Bible...their Catholic Encyclopedia...Their prayers....

**********

Like everyone else, you have some things straight, but you are not 'all-knowing'.
Jesus IS God, just not all of God. He says what He hears the Father say, He does what He sees the Father do (He said so). But He is not 'the mind of God'.
He said that the Father kept this information for Himself, likely because it wouldn't pay for all to know it. Men have tried to change His plans before.

Rev. 14:14 John says that he saw One sitting on a cloud, like unto the Son of man. An angel comes out from the throne of God, and tells Him that it is time to reap earth's harvest. He had a sickle in His hand.

God has everything timed, but He doesn't spread all of the info around for everyone to toy with. Much of it He has told us already, but Jesus' job is to plant and water until the harvest is ready.

KayMarie
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452484 Jun 15, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmm. Well I thought I did.
As Jesus,on earth maybe the Father did not give it to Him to tell.
Maybe they decided that before His incarnation..
Other than that I have no answer ..good question
Main thing ..He did NOT want us to know
RoSesz:

I think you are correct.

To further the point, even angels, which are angelic eternal beings do not know the time of God's Judgment in time.

When the Word became flesh, God emptied himself of all positional power, and thus we as flesh, in time, do not know the time of God's Judgment. This is an extremely strong point in showing that Jesus(Son of God) became human in all ways.

Another point is that depending, perhaps on the single action, or salvation of one person, God's Judgment is pending. We often think that God has a pre-fixed date, as we think in those terms. But in eternity, a few million years one way or another is a flash.

There are some things God reveals, and some which God does not. In this case we are left with the mystery. We are to combat evil in our day, and do good. And not worry about tomorrow.
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452485 Jun 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
He did not know because He was not God..as the Catholics on this form insist...
This false belief is debunked by their own pope approved Bible...their Catholic Encyclopedia...Their prayers....
**********
Like everyone else, you have some things straight, but you are not 'all-knowing'.
Jesus IS God, just not all of God. He says what He hears the Father say, He does what He sees the Father do (He said so). But He is not 'the mind of God'.
He said that the Father kept this information for Himself, likely because it wouldn't pay for all to know it. Men have tried to change His plans before.
Rev. 14:14 John says that he saw One sitting on a cloud, like unto the Son of man. An angel comes out from the throne of God, and tells Him that it is time to reap earth's harvest. He had a sickle in His hand.
God has everything timed, but He doesn't spread all of the info around for everyone to toy with. Much of it He has told us already, but Jesus' job is to plant and water until the harvest is ready.
KayMarie
KayMarie:

I agree. I just wrote Rosesz on the subject. But would like to add, that it would be to human beings detriment to know the time. We would be to grieved by the amount of evil which must be fought, both individually, and collectively, as the Church. And also grow lazy in not becoming self-disciplined, and growing into the righteousness of Christ.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#452486 Jun 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
I just watched a program about how Lance Armstrong used all his might to keep his lies of using drugs hidden for so many years. He intimidated others, called THEM liars and did everything in his power to keep his image pristine.
But, the lies finally caught up to him in the end.
Once people try to hide one lie, often more and more lies become necessary to hide the first lie.
Religion, being based on fantasy, yet claiming to KNOW truth, was a gigantic lie from it's very beginning.
my point exactly,not actual lies storoies of old but name changes and in some cases different countries changed and a very smart group of people have been involved for 400 yrs witing,"the greatest fantasy ever told"

Since: Nov 08

usa

#452487 Jun 15, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree Jethro, that is why Pot is not legalized. they can't control its growth.
Not that I think people should grow it.
it's slowly becoming legal by perscription,i can get one if i want it,because you do lose your apetite when on chemo,that's how you can spot a cancer patient right away,because they wither away because eating makes them sick and throw up,smoking pot reduces,the vommiting,and helps get rid of the nausea,and people can eat without the vomitting an nausea,it may not be the perfect answer but it's the best one right now,all drugs carry serious side effects,this one is no different,and being a former smoker back in my teens i see nothing wrong with it,because it is a myth, that smoking it leads to harder drugs,i never went beyond smoking no matter how tempted,it's up to the individual as to wether or not to move on to harder drugs,because pot is not giving him the high he's looking for.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#452488 Jun 15, 2013
And besides if pot wat that bad,why did god create it? if stiop read an learn the most dangerous drugs out there are man made drugs,like lsd,cocaine,morphine,heroine,a ll created by the nilitary to help aleave pain in the battle field.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#452489 Jun 15, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
You made up everything you wrote.
The little hamlet you refer to was along a major trade route.
Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Jews. But you can somehow explain why no one knew or cared enough to record such an amazing event.
It's like it was on another planet. Why would your god make all of this stuff so secretive and elusive? The only records we have are from years later, second hand stories overlaid with myth.
You made up everything you wrote. I get it. You can make up anything you want because it's a delusion.
All of man's gods are imaginary. That's why it seems natural to make up stories. Nice job.
Bethlehem???was a village of shepherds.
They raised lambs most likely to be used in the temple.

They were of little concern to Romans or Herod until he heard ..since he was nit really a Jew..a poo prophecy about the Messiah and mire he heard from the wise men that a,New king was born.

I think it was likely that this happened a while after the birth ..Imo

It's actuality celebrated on a different day ..But her or was an animal and crazy. Killed 2 of his sons to protect his throne..He saw a king as a threat same as his own children.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#452490 Jun 15, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
He did not know because He was not God..as the Catholics on this form insist...
This false belief is debunked by their own pope approved Bible...their Catholic Encyclopedia...Their prayers....
Huh???

You personally think He was not God or you think Catholics don't

Thought you were Chritian.

He was fully God ..fully man..He was flesh and blood..But with God's spirit in Him

Perfect human lamb to be sacrificed. He could not be perfect unless He was God!!!
Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#452491 Jun 15, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Bethlehem???was a village of shepherds.
They raised lambs most likely to be used in the temple.
They were of little concern to Romans or Herod until he heard ..since he was nit really a Jew..a poo prophecy about the Messiah and mire he heard from the wise men that a,New king was born.
I think it was likely that this happened a while after the birth ..Imo
It's actuality celebrated on a different day ..But her or was an animal and crazy. Killed 2 of his sons to protect his throne..He saw a king as a threat same as his own children.
You "think it was likely... "

You are going for plausibility. It get it.

Here's the problem. You can't come close to proving the Herod story in court.

The ONLY historical "evidence" for the event is in the Bible.
In fact, only one verse in Matthew mentions it. The event is notably absent from the other gospels and all the rest of history.

It's difficult to imagine such a massacre was not mentioned by Josephus, a first-century historian who described other events in Herod's life.

It's a myth.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#452492 Jun 15, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh???
You personally think He was not God or you think Catholics don't
Thought you were Chritian.
He was fully God ..fully man..He was flesh and blood..But with God's spirit in Him
Perfect human lamb to be sacrificed. He could not be perfect unless He was God!!!
NABre:This is justification for Jn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.; it asserts unity of power and reveals that the words and deeds of Jesus are the words and deeds of God.

The apostles creed:

I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen.

A. I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,

See that word "and"...See "His only Son".

B. He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty

See "sitteth at the right hand of God"....if. as you say, God and Christ are one, how is it that Christ is sitting at the right hand of God!!!!!!

When my eyes and ears were opened, some 40 years ago, I deleted "the holy Catholic Church" because not all of its teaching are based on Scripture.

And, I deleted "the communion of saints" because: The communion of saints (in Latin, communio sanctorum), when referred to persons, is the spiritual union of the members of the Christian Church, living and the dead, those on earth, in heaven, and, for those who believe in purgatory, those also who are in that state of purification.

There is no purgatory to believe in!!!!

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But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

----------

And you are lying every time you say the Apostle's Creed:

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Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).

For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).

Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)

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And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
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I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,

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From the Catholic Encyclopedia: Christ, Jesus - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#452493 Jun 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
He did not know because He was not God..as the Catholics on this form insist...
This false belief is debunked by their own pope approved Bible...their Catholic Encyclopedia...Their prayers....
**********
Like everyone else, you have some things straight, but you are not 'all-knowing'.
Jesus IS God, just not all of God. He says what He hears the Father say, He does what He sees the Father do (He said so). But He is not 'the mind of God'.
He said that the Father kept this information for Himself, likely because it wouldn't pay for all to know it. Men have tried to change His plans before.
Rev. 14:14 John says that he saw One sitting on a cloud, like unto the Son of man. An angel comes out from the throne of God, and tells Him that it is time to reap earth's harvest. He had a sickle in His hand.
God has everything timed, but He doesn't spread all of the info around for everyone to toy with. Much of it He has told us already, but Jesus' job is to plant and water until the harvest is ready.
KayMarie
Clay, a rabid devout Catholic says:
I don't reject the teachings of the Catholic Church. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God.
Other than that ...how ya doing Ox? You were a Catholic for 40 yrs...you may as well stop denying the Divinity of Jesus Christ and go to Confession.

Ah replied:I do not...have not...never will deny the full and complete Deity (Christian Religious Writings / Theology) the nature or character of God, of Christ, the Son of God. He shared the same nature of God.

Are you now saying you agree, as the Bible, your Catholic Encyclopedia, the Apostle's Creed teaches, that He was not God, as in God Almighty??

Clay replied: DDDDDddddddduuuuuuhhhh....do I have to answer your question???? Can't I just ignore it???!!!!
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452494 Jun 15, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh???
You personally think He was not God or you think Catholics don't
Thought you were Chritian.
He was fully God ..fully man..He was flesh and blood..But with God's spirit in Him
Perfect human lamb to be sacrificed. He could not be perfect unless He was God!!!
RoSesz:

Most people at first think Ox is a Christian. But like you, after a certain amount of time, we reach a similar conclusion. It is a rather surprising revelation, once he chooses to interpret that verse about Jesus not knowing the time of Judgment.

As to what heresy is involved, there are so many, that deny Jesus is either just a man, or just a God, it is hard to identify, his belief system. But it does smack of pride. Don't let it get you down.

He has yet to reveal his "church" affiliation. So I think most of us consider him at best not a Christian, at least in the orthodox sense of the word.

He has taken a very hard, obscure path for himself, in denial, and making it harder still; in telling all Catholics what they believe, and what Protestants(by proxy) do as well.

What is more interesting in "conversing" with him, one really finds the conversation is detached. And the harder people(like myself) try to converse the more isolated one feels, because nothing seems to get through....It is his definition.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#452495 Jun 15, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
The scripture St. Paul was referring to was the OT. The NT hadn't been penned yet.
St. Paul says scripture is profitable, not exclusive.
The man of God St. Paul was adressing was St. Timothy and other validly ordained clergy in the Church, indeed men of God. You are not a validly ordained man of God.
Sorry.
Where might we find the verse Paul tells us "tradition" is profitable? Where might we find the verse Paul tells us anything other than Scripture is profitable?

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#452496 Jun 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
He did not know because He was not God..as the Catholics on this form insist...
This false belief is debunked by their own pope approved Bible...their Catholic Encyclopedia...Their prayers....
**********
Like everyone else, you have some things straight, but you are not 'all-knowing'.
Jesus IS God, just not all of God. He says what He hears the Father say, He does what He sees the Father do (He said so). But He is not 'the mind of God'.
He said that the Father kept this information for Himself, likely because it wouldn't pay for all to know it. Men have tried to change His plans before.
Rev. 14:14 John says that he saw One sitting on a cloud, like unto the Son of man. An angel comes out from the throne of God, and tells Him that it is time to reap earth's harvest. He had a sickle in His hand.
God has everything timed, but He doesn't spread all of the info around for everyone to toy with. Much of it He has told us already, but Jesus' job is to plant and water until the harvest is ready.
KayMarie
From the NABre pope approved Bible...regards John 1:1

In the beginning:
also the first words of the Old Testament (Gn 1:1). Was: this verb is used three times with different meanings in this verse: existence, relationship, and predication.

The Word (Greek logos):
this term combines God’s dynamic, creative word (Genesis), personified preexistent Wisdom as the instrument of God’s creative activity (Proverbs), and the ultimate intelligibility of reality (Hellenistic philosophy).

With God:
the Greek preposition here connotes communication with another.

Was God: lack of a definite article with “God” in Greek signifies predication rather than identification.
Human Being

Sunset, LA

#452497 Jun 15, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
You "think it was likely... "
You are going for plausibility. It get it.
Here's the problem. You can't come close to proving the Herod story in court.
The ONLY historical "evidence" for the event is in the Bible.
In fact, only one verse in Matthew mentions it. The event is notably absent from the other gospels and all the rest of history.
It's difficult to imagine such a massacre was not mentioned by Josephus, a first-century historian who described other events in Herod's life.
It's a myth.
Religion:

Here is a non-Christian writer Macrobius (A.D. 395-423). Here is his comment:

"When he [emperor Augustus] heard that among the boys in Syria under two years old whom Herod, king of the Jews, had ordered to kill, his own son was also killed, he said: it is better to be Herod's pig, than his son."(
Ambrosius Theodosius Macrobius, Saturnalia, book II, chapter IV:11).)

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#452498 Jun 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="Oxbow"
He did not know because He was not God..as the Catholics on this form insist...
This false belief is debunked by their own pope approved Bible...their Catholic Encyclopedia...Their prayers....
**********
Like everyone else, you have some things straight, but you are not 'all-knowing'.
Jesus IS God, just not all of God. He says what He hears the Father say, He does what He sees the Father do (He said so). But He is not 'the mind of God'.
He said that the Father kept this information for Himself, likely because it wouldn't pay for all to know it. Men have tried to change His plans before.
Rev. 14:14 John says that he saw One sitting on a cloud, like unto the Son of man. An angel comes out from the throne of God, and tells Him that it is time to reap earth's harvest. He had a sickle in His hand.
God has everything timed, but He doesn't spread all of the info around for everyone to toy with. Much of it He has told us already, but Jesus' job is to plant and water until the harvest is ready.
KayMarie
Tell me what message you are led to believe in the following:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#452499 Jun 15, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
<quoted text>
NABre:This is justification for Jn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.; it asserts unity of power and reveals that the words and deeds of Jesus are the words and deeds of God.
The apostles creed:
I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5. The third day he rose again from the dead:
6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:
9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10. The forgiveness of sins:
1l. The resurrection of the body:
12. And the life everlasting. Amen.
A. I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,
See that word "and"...See "His only Son".
B. He ascended into Heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father almighty
See "sitteth at the right hand of God"....if. as you say, God and Christ are one, how is it that Christ is sitting at the right hand of God!!!!!!
When my eyes and ears were opened, some 40 years ago, I deleted "the holy Catholic Church" because not all of its teaching are based on Scripture.
And, I deleted "the communion of saints" because: The communion of saints (in Latin, communio sanctorum), when referred to persons, is the spiritual union of the members of the Christian Church, living and the dead, those on earth, in heaven, and, for those who believe in purgatory, those also who are in that state of purification.
There is no purgatory to believe in!!!!
----------
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
----------
And you are lying every time you say the Apostle's Creed:
----------
Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son":(Heb. 1:1-2).
For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18).
Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4)
----------
And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
----------
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and earth;
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son Our Lord,
----------
From the Catholic Encyclopedia: Christ, Jesus - The incarnate Son of God and the redeemer of the human race...
Trinity

3 persons one God
How do they do I..No idea it's a mystery
I believe it through faith

Jesus Christ fully God fully man

And He will sit at the Right hand of the Father

Sorry I don't get your point ..

He died so that we may live in eternity with Him.

I don't pick things apart ..just know what I believe from scripture..
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#452500 Jun 15, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church makes tradition above or equal to Scripture, but in actuality many of its traditions actually stem from pagan sun worship. Its teachings, beliefs and practices come from Mithraism—a form of paganism that existed in Babylonian times.

These pagan practices are symbols of apostasy against God. Of this, the Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism says the following:

The missionary history of the Roman Catholic Church clearly shows her adaptability to all races, all continents, all nations. In her liturgy and her art, in her tradition and the forming of her doctrine, naturally enough she includes Jewish elements, but also elements that are of pagan origin. In certain respects, she has copied her organization from that of the Roman Empire, has preserved and made fruitful the philosophical intuitions of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, borrowed from both Barbarians and the Byzantine Roman Empire—but always remains herself, thoroughly digesting all elements drawn from external sources...In her laws, her ceremonies, her festivals and her devotions, she makes use of local customs after purifying them and "baptizing" them.

The four beasts of Daniel 7, representing the four successive world powers, took the religious rites and ceremonies from each preceding kingdom as it fell, so that Babylonian traditions continued through the ages. Rome, the final kingdom, still clings to these pagan traditions today.

The Papacy claims that its system of worship has been handed down through tradition. They are absolutely correct. But these are not the teachings of Jesus, but rather the traditions of Babylon.

Roman Catholic doctrines such as infant baptism, sprinkling during baptism, teachings on death and immortality, tonsured and celibate priests with power over the dead, prayers to the dead and to relics, repetitive prayers with the use of beads, doctrines on forgiveness of sins, teachings on hell, the mass, and Sunday worship are doctrines actually derived directly from ancient Babylon, not the Bible.

When Constantine married paganism and Christianity, the door was opened for false doctrines to creep into the early Christian Church, and they were gradually introduced into the system. The Church became divided into the Catholic Church who accepted the pagan doctrines, and the true Christian Church who resisted Constantine’s indoctrination.

Like the successive strata of the earth covering one another, so layer after layer of forgeries and fabrications was piled up in the Church.

The church historian Philip Schaff says, "No church or sect in Christendom ever sank so low as the Latin church in the tenth century."

Many of Rome's documents used to validate its authority and origin have been established as fakes. These unusable sources include The Donation of Constantine, which claim to establish the papal domain and jurisdiction, and The Decretals of Isidore, which were touted as establishing pontifical supremacy. According to J. A. Wylie's book The History of Protestantism, the Greeks reproachfully named the fledgling Roman Church as "the native home of inventions and falsifications of documents." These forgeries, nevertheless, succeeded in establishing Roman Catholic doctrines.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#452501 Jun 15, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
RoSesz:
Most people at first think Ox is a Christian. But like you, after a certain amount of time, we reach a similar conclusion. It is a rather surprising revelation, once he chooses to interpret that verse about Jesus not knowing the time of Judgment.
As to what heresy is involved, there are so many, that deny Jesus is either just a man, or just a God, it is hard to identify, his belief system. But it does smack of pride. Don't let it get you down.
He has yet to reveal his "church" affiliation. So I think most of us consider him at best not a Christian, at least in the orthodox sense of the word.
He has taken a very hard, obscure path for himself, in denial, and making it harder still; in telling all Catholics what they believe, and what Protestants(by proxy) do as well.
What is more interesting in "conversing" with him, one really finds the conversation is detached. And the harder people(like myself) try to converse the more isolated one feels, because nothing seems to get through....It is his definition.
Thanks much for the clarification as I thought I fell in the rabbit hole..thought he was trying to test my knowledge ..

As a fellow Christian..

Thanks again

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#452502 Jun 15, 2013
OldJG wrote:
<quoted text>
Where might we find the verse Paul tells us "tradition" is profitable? Where might we find the verse Paul tells us anything other than Scripture is profitable?
The problem with Anthony and his ilk, is they see "All scripture" as meaning "some Scripture".

Likewise with :For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. They see that as meaning "For all, with the exception of Mary, have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

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