Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 681694 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#452401 Jun 15, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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The Bible tells us what Jesus said about those who harm the little children who come to him.
How does the CC interpret that?
History tells us the CC certainly not the world's moral leader, unless you're the President of NABLA.
How does any Catholic expect to be taken seriously here. How absurd do you think this title sounds in light of real world actions?
OK!! So now your are "switching gears" away from the TRUTH of DOCTRINE (which is a lost argument for bible only Protestants) and over 2000 years of Jesus Christ One True Catholic Church----NOW to the INAPPROPRIATE CONDUCT of a small percentage of Priests that have "rejected and violated their priestly vows" by sexual abuse"! The fact is that Protestant abuses "equal or exceed" those of the Catholic Church---HOWEVER, I don't judge either one on the basis of the wrongful, inappropriate actions of their wayward ministers or priests. I judge them as to whether they are "teaching the TRUTH" with regard to over 2000 years of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of Sacred Scripture, and the historical traditions (both oral and written) taught in the Church. Jesus intitated and established HIS CHURCH----to SAVE SINNERS---of which we all are! If you are going to bring up the sinful actions of some of its members then you had better "throw out your bible" because EVERY ONE OF ITS AUTHORS, were sinners. Moses was a murdered, David was an adulterer and Paul said, "I am the worst of sinners"!! This example only goes to show how duplicious, ignorant, and distorted bible only Protestants have become in their anti-catholic confused and chaotic thinking!!!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452402 Jun 15, 2013
Pad wrote:
<quoted text>You are creating a god in your image and likeness JUNE.
Do you LOVE Allah???

:)
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452403 Jun 15, 2013
No matter which era and which religion, theology traced back to its roots, always lead to the men who held the pens and the power over others to indoctrinate.

The countless many systems of religious belief indicate that that statement is true.
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From the book “Weather Lore,” Reader’s Digest, Published 2007, comes the following…

Father Frost

In Finland and northern Russia, frost takes the form of a pair of deities—Frost Woman and Frost Man—who control blizzards. In Norwegian mythology, Jokul (or Frosti), son of Kari, the god of the winds, would blow frost on the earth when he was angry. Jack Frost probably owes his origin to the Norse myth.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#452404 Jun 15, 2013
Myth-making theologians were ever busy with pens in hand ... stretching their imaginations to haughty lengths of ridiculous nonsense.
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From the book “Weather Lore,” Reader’s Digest, Published 2007, comes the following…

The Rain of Mud

Rain can assume a variety of forms—and colors. Take, for instance, the phenomenon of blood rain. The Roman historian Livy (59 B.C—A.D. 17) and the Greek writer Plutarch (c.A.D. 45—125) both wrote of blood rain falling on Rome on different occasions—never a good sign. St. Gregory of Tours noted that “real blood from a cloud” fell over Paris around A.D. 582. There have been other sightings, but most of those can probably be attributed to large accumulations of red dust, possibly gathered by the wind from deserts, lifted into the atmosphere, and then deposited far away.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#452405 Jun 15, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
who="hojo"
Confrinting's audacity to actually deny recorded historical and scriptural verses from the New Testament and especially from Paul's writings, with regard to the CHURCH, is just planin inconceivable and incomprehensible......... His defiant and willfully beligerent "rejection" of what is clearly written with regard to the TRUTH of the authoritative, visible and heirarchical CHURCH, initiated and formed by Jesus Christ, with the Bishop, as an overseer (Acts 20:17,28, is just plain rebelliousness and defiance of the TRUTH .... In Paul's writings, the word bishop is used in conjunction with priests, deacons, and elders. The necessity in the organization of and within the Churches was to provide for an "order" charged with superintendent and pastorial service. The Bishop is exhorted to exercise oversight (I Peter 5:2. His qualifications are expressely stated (1 Tim 3:1-7 and Titus 1:7-9....Phil 1:1 references Christs Church at Philippi with the Bishop as overseer. This is "exactly why" in I Tim 3:15 Paul tells us that "THE CHURCH" is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH". Paul doesn't say The bible is the foundation and pillar of the truth---He says THE CHURCH!!! I don't read anywhere in the Sacred Scripture where Jesus or the Apostles handed out bibles, or read out of the bible to the Christians in the Churches of Antioch, Phillippi, Corinth, Thessalonica, Colossus, Ephesus, or anywhere else as!!!!!
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The Catholic scorn for the Bible is scary.
KM
I would say we hold the bible in much higher regard than you do.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#452406 Jun 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
There were many religious documents compiled before the new testament.
But in your arrogant mindset, you belittle them all as false.
Yes and they are included in the bible.

I BELIEVE them fully . They comprise the part of the book we call old testament.
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#452407 Jun 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't it a pity that they took away your rights to burn heretics as the stake?
What a sad day that must have been for the popes and their blood-hounds.
Yes, June and your persecuting "comrade Emperor atheists and agnostics" during the Early Church beginning with Nero (64), Domition (95), Trajan (112), Hadrian (127) Aurelius (180) Severus (202), Decius (250), Valerian (257) and on and on.... ALL violently persecuted, crucified, tortured, fed to the lions, maimed, and beheaded the Christians who were martyred for their faith------ BY THE THOUSANDS,------ beginning with Peter, Paul, Polycarp, Justin, Ignatius, and on and on!..... You, June must be "glorying and rejoicing" in those "historical persecution days" hoping that those "torturing days of Martyrdom" are "again" just ahead for the Christians--especially the Catholics.
Pad

Rockford, IL

#452408 Jun 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Do you LOVE Allah???
:)
There is a Lebanese Christian(Maronite) wherwe I work.He and I often talk about the Middle East and so on.

However, at one point in our conversations I asked him if the Arabic Christians use the same word for God as the Muslims, Allah? And in fact in the Arabic Bible the word for God is Allah. So if God in Arabic is Allah,than I ofcourse LOVE Him. But you see that the word God is a general term for the Creator. The Jews, Christians and Muslims all use the term G o d. Of course the Jews write G-d,and the Muslims stick to the word Allah even if they are talking in English.

But God is God,and He is far above the creeds of Judaism,Christianity and Islam.Even all three religions with their over 3 billion constituents cannot limit the God of Heaven to their perspective theologies.But yet God has seen fit to reveal Himself to all three persuasions.

God reveals Himself to all of humaity,but the final outcome of manmade religion limits Him,and may distort His revelation of Himself.It is never right to limit God to one particular persuasion of theology,but yet God reveals Himself and He has plan that includes His Dear Son,sorry if it does not comply with every religion under the sun.But yet God sees the hearts of all and He knows our motives toward Him.

God is OMIPRESENT,that means He is everywhere at the same time.So you and I cannot limit Him to our own idea of who and what He really is.But yet He still reveals Himself,and His love for us is limitless,so it would be best for you to give up your idea of Him,and let Him reveal Himself to you as He really is.Try it June,give up your own mindset,and let Him show you His LOVE!
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#452409 Jun 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
One day when I was (by choice) still under the spell of religion I asked my self why I would place faith in my own system of belief concerning a god, and not place faith in other people's systems of belief.
Because I dared to ask that pertinent question of my self, I immediately received the answer.
I was arrogant.
Now I don't believe in any religious systems of belief, and from my perspective ... that is fair.
I took my self off of my own haughty pedestal and allowed my self the belief that there was no shame in admitting that I didn't know what I previously pretended TO know.
The answer you received from your self or someone else is wrong.
Religions, are made by men for men to control other men.
They have many different gods. and made up many rituals they use to worship them.
Their gods are stone, wood or metal, paint craved or other wise, it is the god they choose, some men think of themselves as gods
(self serving)

Eph 4. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#452410 Jun 15, 2013
who="Anthony MN"
I would say we hold the bible in much higher regard than you do.

**********

You can't tell it from your comments on here.
KayMarie
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#452411 Jun 15, 2013
Ephesians 4
King James Version (KJV)
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#452412 Jun 15, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
OK!! So now your are "switching gears" away from the TRUTH of DOCTRINE (which is a lost argument for bible only Protestants) and over 2000 years of Jesus Christ One True Catholic Church----NOW to the INAPPROPRIATE CONDUCT of a small percentage of Priests that have "rejected and violated their priestly vows" by sexual abuse"! The fact is that Protestant abuses "equal or exceed" those of the Catholic Church---HOWEVER, I don't judge either one on the basis of the wrongful, inappropriate actions of their wayward ministers or priests. I judge them as to whether they are "teaching the TRUTH" with regard to over 2000 years of the TRUE INTERPRETATION of Sacred Scripture, and the historical traditions (both oral and written) taught in the Church. Jesus intitated and established HIS CHURCH----to SAVE SINNERS---of which we all are! If you are going to bring up the sinful actions of some of its members then you had better "throw out your bible" because EVERY ONE OF ITS AUTHORS, were sinners. Moses was a murdered, David was an adulterer and Paul said, "I am the worst of sinners"!! This example only goes to show how duplicious, ignorant, and distorted bible only Protestants have become in their anti-catholic confused and chaotic thinking!!!!
About 100 predator Priests were shielded by Cardinal Law.

Cardinal Law was a good soldier for the CC.

That is why he continues to live an honored existence at the Vatican, after fleeing testimony in the USA.

Nope, not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church had nothing to do with one or two bad priests. We get it. The CC is perfect, God is the CEO.

Question...... How many diocese in the USA have been bankrupted by their perfection?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#452413 Jun 15, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
I was with you up to where you said through the Church.
HE said the Way to the Father is through HIM.
HE broke the veil in the temple..why..to show there IS NOTHING. not priests ..Not temples between God and man...only through HIM
you can believe as you will. If you believe in Jesus as Saviour. I have no idea what God will say on your belief in the Church as the means to it.But at least you have that belief in Him and nit some other e r God.
All of our beliefs will be sifted by God.
I guess we will know at the end.
Read and reread the entire bible RoSesz---NOT what you only the parts you want to read and want it mean "only" what you want it to say.......... Jesus Christs established, intiiated and formed HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH in Matthew 16:13-21 --and it was ONE UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC CHURCH recorded for over 2000 years in TRUE CHURCH HISTORY by accredited and noted Apologistic authors and writers (both Catholic and Protestant).....HIS CHURCH is referred to over 30 times in the New Testament, beginning with HIS FIRST CHURCH at Antioch (Acts 2). It was a heirarchical, authoritative and visible Church with Bishops, priests, elders and deacons (again Acts 2). Pauls writings to ALL of the Churches included Corinth, Ephesus, Thessalonica, Galacia, Colossus, Phillipi, etc. ALL headed by the Apostles, ALL with Bishops, priests, deacons and ALL were visible, authoritative and heirarchical. Paul confirms it in I Timothy 3:15 when he calls "THE CHURCH" (not the bible alone) is the pillar, pinnacle and foundation of the TRUTH!! Its ALL in the Bible RoSesz and it has been validated, and confirmed as TRUTH for over 2000 years. As a former Protestant, Jesus is the Way, the FULLNESS of the Truth and the FULLNESS and COMPLETENESS of Life, in and through HIS One True Apostolic Catholic Church (the Bride of Christ)
Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#452414 Jun 15, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
And history is written by the victors. The Romans mist likely didn't care or know..And the only ones who did were the victims..And Mary ..by the time it was written of.
Again we have a book ..a compilation if history and it is ignored.
Any Other such very old document would be celebrated by the world as,a,great find.
SILLY
Agreed. History is written by the victors.

The Bible is not a compilation of history.

That's why the Harod story is nothing but hearsay. No supposed "evidence" of this myth exists that would be admissible in any Court in the Western world.

The Romans didn't know... that's **absurd denial.

The victims didn't leave a record, so there is no story in Jewish history...**that's absurd denial.

FACT --- Yet you rely on Jewish history for your faith. Yet you don't trust them to record such an event?

I can't think of anything more **absurd. Like this happened all the time in the ancient world, so no one bothers to leave records?

What planet does this stuff happen on?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#452415 Jun 15, 2013
hojo wrote:
<quoted text>
And YOU deny Jesus Christs clearly "expressed, spoken and stated words" in the gospel of Matthew 16:13-21 regarding His One True (universal-Catholic) Church....And...YOU also deny HIS own spoken words in John 6:47-59 regarding HIS TRUE BODY AND TRUE BLOOD "For unless you eat MY BODY which is "real food" and drink MY BLOOD which is "real drink" you CANNOT have ETERNAL LIFE. "These" are the "Scriptures that JESUS HIMSELF opened up to HIS apostles. Your own (modernistic-editorialized) bible interpretations of
Sacred Scripture are the REAL CONJECTURE and false teaching of bible only Protestant "relative truth" half-truth Christianity!!!
show me where this is said in the bible? "spoken and stated words" in the gospel of Matthew 16:13-21 regarding His One True (universal-Catholic) Church....remember you are saying "spoken and stated word" show me these words where he is calling the catholic church his church?..if you can't shutup,tired of hearing your lies,you have not even one historical "word" that comes close to suggesting the pagan/christian church is jesus's church.
Religion A Delusion

Orlando, FL

#452416 Jun 15, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
The enlightenment came to me ONLY when I stopped placing importance on my own religious nonsense.
And the enlightening moment was when I admitted that I didn't have the answers to mysteries, but rather all I had in my possession was opinion.
Hojo, confrinting and others posting here have the answers.

They're just not good at articulating such profoundness.

Once they learn who they really are, they will tell you one thing.

"He was boiled for our sins."

Since: Nov 08

usa

#452417 Jun 15, 2013
Ted Morgan wrote:
I love being Catholic and knowing I am one of the chosen ones
and what is your proof teddy boy? what makes you think a pagan/christian church is the true church? because you were told it was growing up/ like everyone else who falls for the myth?
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#452418 Jun 15, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
About 100 predator Priests were shielded by Cardinal Law.
Cardinal Law was a good soldier for the CC.
That is why he continues to live an honored existence at the Vatican, after fleeing testimony in the USA.
Nope, not the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church had nothing to do with one or two bad priests. We get it. The CC is perfect, God is the CEO.
Question...... How many diocese in the USA have been bankrupted by their perfection?
Your anti-catholic venganence, vindictiveness and animosity of hatred has "corrupted your mind, heart and soul" so no matter what anyone says to you about the TRUE FAITH, DOCTRINE AND FUNDAMENTAL TRUE TEACHINGS of the Catholic Church makes no difference. You obviously have formed your own hostile antagonistic "exaggerated" opinions and so my friend, you can believe what you want!! I/We as Catholics on this forum, as well as the other 1.169 Billion Catholics around the world, will continue (as we have for over 2000 years) to follow, believe and adhere to the TRUE Gospel and TRUE teachings of Jesus Christ, at Daily Mass and the Eucharist (the TRUE body and blood of Jesus HIMSELF) in and through His One (and only one) TRUE Apostolic Catholic Church. YOU Religion a Delusion---"can do and believe what you want!!!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#452419 Jun 15, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
"Here are more genuine historical writings attesting to the fact that Peter was indeed in Rome, and that he died there...
St Irenaeus, "Against Heresies", 3,1,1, 180 A.D., J208
"...in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were evangelizing at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church."
St Irenaeus, "Against Heresies", chapter III,
"...the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops."
Eusebius, "History of the Church", 2,14,6, 300 A.D., J651dd
In the same reign of Claudius, the all-good and gracious providence which watches over all things guided Peter, the great and mighty one among the Apostles, who, because of his virtue, was the spokesman for all the others, to Rome."
Tertullian, "The demurrer against the heretics", chapter XXXII,1,
"...like the church of the Romans where Clement was ordained by Peter."
Who has the authority to ordain priests? Only Bishops do. Clement was ordained by the Bishop of Rome, Peter.
Saint Peter of Alexandria, "The Canonical Letter", canon 9, 306 A.D.
"Peter, the first chosen of the Apostles, having been apprehended often and thrown into prison and treated with ignominy, at last was crucified in Rome."
Eusebius, "The Chronicle" Ad An.Dom 68, J651cc
"Nero is the first, in addition to all his other crimes, to make a persecution against the Christians, in which Peter and Paul died gloriously in Rome."
Eusebius, "History of the Church", 3,2, 300 A.D., J652a
"After the martyrdom of Paul and Peter, Linus was the first appointed to the Episcopacy of the Church at Rome."
Lactantius, "Of the manner in which the persecutors died":
This letter is addressed to Donatus. It not only shows that Peter was actually in Rome, but that he died there also at the hands of Nero. Chapter II. "His apostles were at that time eleven in number, to whom were added Matthias, in the room of the traitor Judas, and afterwards Paul. Then were they dispersed throughout all the earth to preach the Gospel, as the Lord their Master had commanded them; and during twenty-five years, and until the beginning of the reign of the Emperor Nero, they occupied themselves in laying the foundations of the Church in every province and city. And while Nero reigned, the Apostle Peter came to Rome, and, through the power of God committed unto him, wrought certain miracles, and, by turning many to the true religion, built up a faithful and steadfast temple unto the Lord. When Nero heard of those things, and observed that not only in Rome, but in every other place, a great multitude revolted daily from the worship of idols, and, condemning their old ways, went over to the new religion, he, an execrable and pernicious tyrant, sprung forward to raze the heavenly temple and destroy the true faith. He it was who first persecuted the servants of God; he crucified Peter, and slew Paul: nor did he escape with impunity; for God looked on the affliction of His people; and therefore the tyrant, bereaved of authority, and precipitated from the height of empire, suddenly disappeared, and even the burial-place of that noxious wild beast was nowhere to be seen."
Saint Damasus I, "The Decree of Damasus" 3, 382 A.D., J910u
"The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the Apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it."
----------http://www.thecathol ictreasurechest.com/petrom.htm
judging by the website this is a biased catholic website,where i have read history books on religions of the world. and no where is it definatively stated peter was in rome.

“GOD SO LOVED US”

Since: Aug 08

He Gave His SON,JESUS Christ

#452420 Jun 15, 2013
LTM wrote:
Ephesians 4
King James Version (KJV)
4 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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Edifying and the last verse should speak to all of us on here.

Including me.

We disagree. Ok but let's speak in kindness??

We are most of us believers

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