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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 685532 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445492 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Observe how the Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims fight over the attention of the one supposed god ... and surely you can see the stupidity of it all.
It's nothing but envy and jealousy over who god loves and who god will punish.
Ridiculous!
~~~

Ridiculous?

THEN WHAT MOTIVATES YOU?

There is no neutral ground...

Who/what/why are you posting. to/for ?
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#445493 May 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
anyone can copy a book, and add their stories to it.
Spirit - why you cannot read this or see this, I do not understand.
Yes!! And anyone can read a book (in this case, the bible) and "make it mean ONLY what they want it to mean"! You my friend, as well as your other bible only (self-interpreting -editorialists) are a "perfect example" of "Relative Truth" Christians who just "make it up" as you go along, forever "failing" in your vain attempts to change over 2000 years of the TRUTH of TRUE Apostolic Church History and TRUE biblical interpretation of the bible, that was authentically interpreted by the Early Church FAthers in 397 AD giving you Protestants the bible that you so "conveniently mis-interpret to your own "destruction"!
Why don't YOU believe the "spoken, stated and expressed words" of Jesus HIMSELF in Matthew 16 regarding His One True (Universal-Catholic) Apostolic Church---AND---Our Lords (clearly revealed words) in John 6:47-59 regarding His Words< "For unless you eat my body (which is REAL FOOD) and drink my blood which is (REAL DRINK)---you CANNOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE!!!! His words cannot be any clearer for you to understand NEW AGE!!
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445494 May 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
I read the Bible and I clearly see Christ starting a Church and Peter headed it while Jesus departed. THIS KAY, is scripture alone. You guys claim you're sola scripture, but the most blatant writings are denied.
You know in your heart that Bible Alone is a false teaching. You know Our Lord never taught this. We showed you when it was invented and by who. There should be no more argument.
well that's not how it reads to me Clay maybe one of us has a discernment problem.

And yes, I believe the Lord taught us to use 'what is written' to live our lives.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445495 May 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You deny Jesus's own words. That's on you confrinting.
~~~

YOU MEAN I DENY WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS READ INTO THE WORDS

OF JESUS...

YOU edit them to make them say what you want them to...

IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE

TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE...

There are no other scriptures to..

co-relate

cross-reference or

validate

what you claim ...even if it said what you claim it does...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#445496 May 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
Black Thunder 42:
You have a lot going on in this post.
But if one acts from the gut, it is because the intestines have their own "brain", which in the human being is about the size of a cat's brain!
It seems you are substituting quantum level phenomena with spirituality. I am not saying there is not a connection, but not an equality. This is just a modern theory, which has a lot of equations, but not much "substance" yet in fact(If you know what I mean?).
Reducing a human being to being a fractal in a fractal world? I will have to think about it. Hmmm. Fractals are mathematical descriptions(I have played with a fractal generating program, and enjoyed it.) But viewing the world as a fractal? I just don't think humans are fractals.
No I'm not.
I was showing by physical example the workings of the ALL. How it all works together as a comprised unit from the very top to the very minute bottom, and how we are beginning to understand the big picture. Then I tried to explain the spiritual and essence connection, and the teachings of Jesus to that effect. The "belly and the heart" are ancient metaphors, and also used in the teachings of the bible.
I guess you just can't understand.
If or when you do, you will know what Jesus was talking about. Your church doesn't seem to have done a very good job of teaching you the most important lessons.
I tried.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445497 May 27, 2013
WHY DON'T YOU READ YOUR BIBLEW

JESUS GAVE AUTHORITY TO ALL HIS APOSTLES

AND APOSTLES EXIST TODAY...

John 20:21-23 Then said Jesus to THEM again,

"Peace be unto you.

As My Father has sent Me, so send I you".

And when He had said this,

He breathed on THEM, and said unto THEM,

"Receive the Holy Ghost.

Whose soever sins you remit,

they are remitted unto them; and whose soever

sins you retain, they are retained."

WHY DO YOU SELFISHLY LIMIT THE POWER OF GOD JUST
TO ONE MAN?

AND CLAIM HE IS GOD ONLY REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH..

I CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT...

IF YOU FOLLOWED THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE...YOUR

CHURCH WOULD PROVE IT SELF TO BE THE FARCE THAT IT REALLY IS.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#445498 May 27, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>

why you cannot read this or see this, I do not understand.
**eat the flesh of the Son of Man, you have no life in you.- listen to what I teach and understand that what I teach is for your own good / I teach about the Spirit within each of you / I teach about the Self
**Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
- Know that when I teach you, understand that this teachings is not of me, but of the Father of us all / He teaches me to teach you. This Knowledge comes from me (a metaphor of 'flesh and blood') so heed it and understand.
**********
Giving me passages to decipher for you, I will. Understanding them will take you to uphold.
Why don't you believe Jesus.
You NEW AGE are (the one) that is unable to believe the TRUTH of Jesus because of your "inability comprehend the TRUTH of the TRUE MEANING of the Words of Jesus. What Jesus actually meant is no surprise to ANY of the 1.168+ billion Catholics around the world, nor to the billions of Catholic-Christians that have "gone before us--marked with the sign of faith"!! The TRUE INTERPRETATION of the "Canon of Scripture" from the Early Church fAthers in 397 AD has been PROVEN AS TRUTH for over 2000 years, substantiated and confirmed by the "overwhelming Church Historian Apologistic authors and writers BOTH Catholic and Protestant. The fact is New Age is that you are so "caught up" in "YOUR OWN" 21st century (MODERNISTIC) opinionated "anti-catholic" interpretation" of the bible that "blindness, and deafness to the REAL TRUTH has "escaped your ability to "comprehend the TRUE MEANING OF THE WORDS (EXPRESSLY SPOKEN) by Jesus HIMSELF!!!
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445499 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
Ridiculous?
THEN WHAT MOTIVATES YOU?
My conscience motivates me to believe that when devout believers fight over who knows that the god loves them and will punish others ... something is very wrong with the religion itself.

In that regard I listened to my conscience even as a small child, and that is why theologians could not lure me into their divisive cults by emphasizing that they all knew the truth straight from "god."

You SO MUCH desire to believe that YOU are special, you are willing to believe that the same god that loves you, will punish others.

And you are PROUD of your belief!!!
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445500 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
What a pile of slop in that supposed explanation.
Why are you SO intent on the idea that you will accept the part of the scripture that states Jehovah create "good" ... yet you dismiss the part of the scripture that states that he created "evil?"
Your problem IS, you only digest what you find digestible and pleasing to your own belief ... and nothing else is allowed entry.
June VanDerMark:

In the first place you are trying to make me explain something that does not exist in the scripture, Is 45:7 does not say God creates evil....the critical part of the verse to which you refer goes something like this in our language:(God) makes completeness, soundness, welfare, peace (and God) shapes/creates evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity.

Our definition of evil in modern language, came from older English carried forward, but means something more like "rottenness", as in the rotting away of a log from within.

You just can't look superficially at an "eye-catching" phrase and think you solved the mysteries of the Bible.(Most who begin their studies of the Bible fall prey to this, I know I have been guilty of doing it, and probably will continue to do so. I have fortunately got a little Greek and Hebrew in my brain, so I just relate easier to the meanings now than in my earlier years.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445501 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
ADAM AND EVE OPENED UP ALL HUMANITY TO/IN WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS GOOD AND EVIL...
You overlook that within the theology it was the god who created Adam and Eve KNOWING they would sin and drag the people of the world into depravation.

Had he not created them ... we would still all be half good and half evil ... as Jehovah created us.

It's very silly stuff indeed ... but you wanted that salvation ... and so you ended up where you are today ... stuck in mental bondage to human-created words ... but ONLY to the words that reflect to you that YOU are special.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445502 May 27, 2013
If you observe the words of all preachers of religion that believe in good and evil ... not one of them will say "I am part good and part evil."

They all claim they are good and others are evil.

Those claims are totally based on arrogance.
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445503 May 27, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
<quoted text>
You deny Jesus's own words. That's on you confrinting.
The Great Commission

16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

where do you see Peter above the other disciples?
marge

Leesburg, GA

#445504 May 27, 2013
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445505 May 27, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
Human, did you pray today's Office of Readings yet? It's related to human suffering (Job). I found it so helpful that I printed it out. Have to get that Breviary, although I'm looking at the one-volume with the red cover which doesn't have the Office of Readings.
Regina:
Yes. I start with both Morning and Office, everyday. We just started the Book of Job yesterday.

I went to Amazon for you to see, and make sure you are getting the correct volume which does have the Office readings. I am not sure of which one you were looking at.

http://www.amazon.com/Liturgy-Hours-Ordinary-...

I try to sing, meditate, and pray the Hours. One should be open to being moved. God loves it when one sings the Bible back to Him.(Kind of a secret....)
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445506 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU MEAN I DENY WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS READ INTO THE WORDS
OF JESUS...
YOU edit them to make them say what you want them to...
IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE
TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE...
There are no other scriptures to..
co-relate
cross-reference or
validate
what you claim ...even if it said what you claim it does...
Start with the Gospel of St. Matthew:

Matt. 10:2; Mark 1:36; 3:16; Luke 6:14-16; Acts 1:3; 2:37; 5:29 - these are some of many examples where Peter is mentioned first among the apostles.

Matt. 14:28-29 - only Peter has the faith to walk on water. No other man in Scripture is said to have the faith to walk on water. This faith ultimately did not fail.

Matt. 16:16, Mark 8:29; John 6:69 - Peter is first among the apostles to confess the divinity of Christ.

Matt. 16:17 - Peter alone is told he has received divine knowledge by a special revelation from God the Father.

Matt. 16:18 - Jesus builds the Church only on Peter, the rock, with the other apostles as the foundation and Jesus as the Head.

Matt. 16:19 - only Peter receives the keys, which represent authority over the Church and facilitate dynastic succession to his authority.

Matt. 17:24-25 - the tax collector approaches Peter for Jesus' tax. Peter is the spokesman for Jesus. He is the Vicar of Christ.

Matt. 17:26-27 - Jesus pays the half-shekel tax with one shekel, for both Jesus and Peter. Peter is Christ's representative on earth.

Matt. 18:21 - in the presence of the disciples, Peter asks Jesus about the rule of forgiveness. One of many examples where Peter takes a leadership role among the apostles in understanding Jesus' teachings.

Matt. 19:27 - Peter speaks on behalf of the apostles by telling Jesus that they have left everything to follow Him.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445507 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
Observe how the Jews, Catholics, Protestants and Muslims fight over the attention of the one supposed god ... and surely you can see the stupidity of it all.
It's nothing but envy and jealousy over who god loves and who god will punish.
Ridiculous!
June VanDerMark:

That would be a stupid way of relating to God, I agree.

Much better it is to serve God, than imagine one can order Him around.
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445508 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU MEAN I DENY WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS READ INTO THE WORDS
OF JESUS...
YOU edit them to make them say what you want them to...
IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE
TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE...
There are no other scriptures to..
co-relate
cross-reference or
validate
what you claim ...even if it said what you claim it does...
Now Sts. Mark and Luke:

Mark 10:28 - here also, Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples by declaring that they have left everything to follow Him.

Mark 11:21 - Peter speaks on behalf of the disciples in remembering Jesus' curse on the fig tree.

Mark 14:37 - at Gethsemane, Jesus asks Peter, and no one else, why he was asleep. Peter is accountable to Jesus for his actions on behalf of the apostles because he has been appointed by Jesus as their leader.

Mark 16:7 - Peter is specified by an angel as the leader of the apostles as the angel confirms the resurrection of Christ.

Luke 5:3 – Jesus teaches from Peter’s boat which is metaphor for the Church. Jesus guides Peter and the Church into all truth.

Luke 5:4,10 - Jesus instructs Peter to let down the nets for a catch, and the miraculous catch follows. Peter, the Pope, is the "fisher of men."

Luke 7:40-50- Jesus addresses Peter regarding the rule of forgiveness and Peter answers on behalf of the disciples. Jesus also singles Peter out and judges his conduct vis-à-vis the conduct of the woman who anointed Him.

Luke 8:45 - when Jesus asked who touched His garment, it is Peter who answers on behalf of the disciples.

Luke 8:51; 9:28; 22:8; Acts 1:13; 3:1,3,11; 4:13,19; 8:14 - Peter is always mentioned before John, the disciple whom Jesus loved.

Luke 9:28;33 - Peter is mentioned first as going to mountain of transfiguration and the only one to speak at the transfiguration.

Luke 12:41 - Peter seeks clarification of a parable on behalf on the disciples. This is part of Peter's formation as the chief shepherd of the flock after Jesus ascended into heaven.

Luke 22:31-32 - Jesus prays for Peter alone, that his faith may not fail, and charges him to strengthen the rest of the apostles.

Luke 24:12, John 20:4-6 - John arrived at the tomb first but stopped and waited for Peter. Peter then arrived and entered the tomb first.

Luke 24:34 - the two disciples distinguish Peter even though they both had seen the risen Jesus the previous hour. See Luke 24:33.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#445509 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
WHY DON'T YOU READ YOUR BIBLEW
JESUS GAVE AUTHORITY TO ALL HIS APOSTLES
AND APOSTLES EXIST TODAY...
John 20:21-23 Then said Jesus to THEM again,
"Peace be unto you.
As My Father has sent Me, so send I you".
And when He had said this,
He breathed on THEM, and said unto THEM,
"Receive the Holy Ghost.
Whose soever sins you remit,
they are remitted unto them; and whose soever
sins you retain, they are retained."
WHY DO YOU SELFISHLY LIMIT THE POWER OF GOD JUST
TO ONE MAN?
AND CLAIM HE IS GOD ONLY REPRESENTATIVE ON EARTH..
I CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT...
IF YOU FOLLOWED THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE...YOUR
CHURCH WOULD PROVE IT SELF TO BE THE FARCE THAT IT REALLY IS.
THERE ARE APOSTLES TODAY...

The Apostle Paul wrote...

Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,

Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

NOTE

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Eph 4:11 And he gave

some,apostles; and

some, prophets; and

some, evangelists; and

some, pastors and

teachers;

THEIR PURPOSE

Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints,

for the work of the ministry,

for the edifying of the body of Christ:

TIL WE MATURE IN CHRIST...

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,

unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

THAT WE WONT BE LEAD AWAY TO CONJECTURE SUCH AS CATHOLICISM...

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;


Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things,

which is the head, even Christ:

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#445510 May 27, 2013
493
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
The truth is, the Church doesn't teach that. If you're a Christian, why are you trying to tell people we do?
The post quoted several popes or credible Catholic sources...and that is the truth....
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#445511 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
YOU MEAN I DENY WHAT YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS READ INTO THE WORDS
OF JESUS...
YOU edit them to make them say what you want them to...
IT TAKES TWO OR MORE SCRIPTURES FROM THE BIBLE
TO SUBSTANTIATE A DOCTRINE...
There are no other scriptures to..
co-relate
cross-reference or
validate
what you claim ...even if it said what you claim it does...
Here's St. John and Acts:

John 6:68 - after the disciples leave, Peter is the first to speak and confess his belief in Christ after the Eucharistic discourse.

John 13:6-9 - Peter speaks out to the Lord in front of the apostles concerning the washing of feet.

John 13:36; 21:18 - Jesus predicts Peter's death. Peter was martyred at Rome in 67 A.D. Several hundred years of papal successors were also martyred.

John 21:2-3,11 - Peter leads the fishing and his net does not break. The boat (the "barque of Peter") is a metaphor for the Church.

John 21:7 - only Peter got out of the boat and ran to the shore to meet Jesus. Peter is the earthly shepherd leading us to God.

John 21:15 - in front of the apostles, Jesus asks Peter if he loves Jesus "more than these," which refers to the other apostles. Peter is the head of the apostolic see.

John 21:15-17 - Jesus charges Peter to "feed my lambs," "tend my sheep," "feed my sheep." Sheep means all people, even the apostles.

Acts 1:13 - Peter is first when entering upper room after our Lord's ascension. The first Eucharist and Pentecost were given in this room.

Acts 1:15 - Peter initiates the selection of a successor to Judas right after Jesus ascended into heaven, and no one questions him. Further, if the Church needed a successor to Judas, wouldn't it need one to Peter? Of course.

Acts 2:14 - Peter is first to speak for the apostles after the Holy Spirit descended upon them at Pentecost. Peter is the first to preach the Gospel.

Acts 2:38 - Peter gives first preaching in the early Church on repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ.

Acts 3:1,3,4 - Peter is mentioned first as going to the Temple to pray.

Acts 3:6-7 - Peter works the first healing of the apostles.

Acts 3:12-26, 4:8-12 - Peter teaches the early Church the healing through Jesus and that there is no salvation other than Christ.

Acts 5:3 - Peter declares the first anathema of Ananias and Sapphira which is ratified by God, and brings about their death. Peter exercises his binding authority.

Acts 5:15 - Peter's shadow has healing power. No other apostle is said to have this power.

Acts 8:14 - Peter is mentioned first in conferring the sacrament of confirmation.

Acts 8:20-23 - Peter casts judgment on Simon's quest for gaining authority through the laying on of hands. Peter exercises his binding and loosing authority.

Acts 9:32-34 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and works the healing of Aeneas.

Acts 9:38-40 - Peter is mentioned first among the apostles and raises Tabitha from the dead.

Acts 10:5 - Cornelius is told by an angel to call upon Peter. Angels are messengers of God. Peter was granted this divine vision.

Acts 10:34-48, 11:1-18 - Peter is first to teach about salvation for all (Jews and Gentiles).

Acts 12:5 - this verse implies that the "whole Church" offered "earnest prayers" for Peter, their leader, during his imprisonment.

Acts 12:6-11 - Peter is freed from jail by an angel. He is the first object of divine intervention in the early Church.

Acts 15:7-12 - Peter resolves the first doctrinal issue on circumcision at the Church's first council at Jerusalem, and no one questions him. After Peter the Papa spoke, all were kept silent.

Acts 15:12 - only after Peter (the Pope) speaks do Paul and Barnabas (bishops) speak in support of Peter's definitive teaching.

Acts 15:13-14 - then James speaks to further acknowledge Peter's definitive teaching. "Simeon (Peter) has related how God first visited..."

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