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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 703884 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445410 May 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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June VanDerMark:
Lol. If I tried to keep the picture in my mind that you draw, then I would get frazzled! It looks like German Expressionist to me, I like Impressionist, and Classical a bit more.(smile).
But you are correct, I am a bit to slothful(lazy) for my own good. I will work on that area. I will keep that in my mind. One must be submissive and also work with God.
If this god created good AND evil, you are just as likely to be evil as you are to be good. But you want to believe that you are good and others are evil.

It's in YOUR nature to be that arrogant.

Even as a child I would not believe that I was good and others were evil. I knew instinctively that there was something very wrong with the religion itself.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445411 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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You Gloat about....
what you call God's evil..
That's not true. I just want you to be honest, and not state that your image of a god is ONLY good. And you refuse to believe that the god of your worship is anything BUT good.

The words are very plain for all to see that (the one and only god Jehovah) created good AND evil.

You are dishonest.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445412 May 27, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Yeah something is wrong, man can't be God no matter how hard they try. God gave man everything, a beautiful planet to live on supplied all our needs, man wasn't happy they wanted to be like God or a god. remember free will.
Satan wasn't happy being the most beautiful angel, with all the power and love God gave Him he wanted to be above God, and because he became full of pride lead a revolt in Heaven.
Remember free will.
Pride God hates it, it was the first sin committed and it was in Heaven.
God doesn't make mistakes, if man had of listen to God when He said 'THOU SHALL NOT DO' we wouldn't be in this mess.
LTM

I am in agreement. But I don't really understand the mindset of the atheist. I know that there are a spectrum of beliefs to the atheist, but it just seems they do not believe in free-will. And it is a theory at best. It seems they substitute chaos, or randomness, or chance, for free-will. What do you think?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#445413 May 27, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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jethro8:
The pain comes and goes. The prostate? I am not sure yet. The doctor wants to check the PSA one more time before a biopsy
Whatever comes my way, I am prepared in the sense that I am at peace.
tell him you want a petscan done from top of head to knee joint,they are very accurate in diagnosing cancer,biopsy or not have a petscan done,it's the same as a ct scan except they inject you with radioactive sugar,wait till it travels through your system,then take scans,45 minute process,but it's worth it because it can detect a tumor 1/16th of an inch an smaller depending on the cancer. a biopsy could miss something that small,to play it safe ask for a petscan.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445414 May 27, 2013
LTM wrote:
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June,
The Bible gives me a look into what God thinks and said.
So if the bible gives you a look into what a god thinks ... then I suggest you take it as it is ... and believe that the god created evil.

It's not so pleasant then is it ... to believe that the god is up to good AND NO good?

He can be nice ... but he can also be NAUGHTY! Maybe he's just stringing you along.

Or maybe there is no such thing AS a god.
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#445415 May 27, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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In the last days God will send two witnesses...two that have been translated in the past (that have never died)
Rev_11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Yet ultimately they will die ...
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
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(NOTE BELOW IS THE PATTERN OF DEATH AND RESURRECTION...(.AND THE ASCENSION OF THOSE THAT ARE BORN AGAIN, AND READY FOR THE COMING OF JESUS..)
THAT IS SET FOR ALL THAT BELIEVE IN GOD (ONLY OUR LENGTH OF DEATH IS NOT NECESSARILY LIMITED TO THREE DAYS)
Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half
THE SPIRIT OF LIFE FROM GOD...
ENTERED IN TO THEM,
AND THEY STOOD UPON THEIR FEET;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
Rev 11:12 AND THEY HEARD A GREAT VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING UNTO THEM, COME UP HITHER AND THEY ASCENDED UP TO HEAVEN IN A CLOUD...
and their enemies beheld them.
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1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Mary the Mother of Jesus has never been assumed into heaven..
IF SHE WAS...SHE WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO DIE...AND HER DEATH WOULD HAVE BE RECORDED IN THE BIBLE...AS THE DEATH OF THE TWO WITNESS IS...
I get that there will be 2 in the last days. I think Elijah and Enoch. Since man is only to die once and these teo didnt. Or maybe more contemporary witnesses

But That does not mean that will be the only witness. I have no idea..really. just saying He could. Basically do whatever He wants
HE is God. We are not
rosesz

Pompano Beach, FL

#445416 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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That's not true. I just want you to be honest, and not state that your image of a god is ONLY good. And you refuse to believe that the god of your worship is anything BUT good.
The words are very plain for all to see that (the one and only god Jehovah) created good AND evil.
You are dishonest.
We chose to know evil. It was Not His plan for us. But without the choice we woukd be puppets.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445417 May 27, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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NUMEROUS POPES DECLARE MARY SAVES SOULS
Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894: "When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race ...(at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow."
Pius X, Ad Diem Illum, 1904: "Owing to the union of suffering and purpose existing between Christ and Mary, she merited to become most worthily the reparatrix of the lost world, and for this reason, the dispenser of ALL favors which Jesus acquired for us by his death ...
Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia, 1918: "To such extent did Mary suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son; to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for : man's salvation .. that we may rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."
Plus XI, 1935, in a prayer to close a jubilee, we find the first use of the word Co-redemptrix by a pope: "O Mother of love and mercy who, when thy sweetest Son was consummating the Redemption of the human race on in the altar of the cross, didst stand next to him suffering with him as a Coredemptrix."
Plus XII, in a radio broadcast in 1946: "Mary, for having been associated with the King of Martyrs in the ineffable work of human Redemption as Mother and co-operatrix, she remains forever associated with him, with an almost unlimited power, in the distribution of graces which flow from the Redemption."
John XXIII, Vatican II's Lumen Gentium, 1965.
Paul VI, Christi Matri. "The Church ... been accustomed to have recourse to that most ready intercessor, her Mother Mary ... For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race"
John Paul II, Mother of the Redeemer, 1987.
Pius IX, Ubi Primum, 1849: "For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that THROUGH HER are obtained every hope, every grace, and ALL SALVATION. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary."
Leo XIII, Supremi Apostolatus, 1883: "O Mary, the guardian of our peace and the dispensatrix of heavenly graces."
Plus X, Ad Diem Illum, 1904: "It was granted to the august Virgin to be together with her Only-begotten Son the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world. So Christ is the source ... Mary, however, as St. Bernard justly remarks, is the channel, or she is the neck by which the Body is united to the Head... through which ALL spiritual gifts are communicated to his Body."
Benedict XV, In a decree on Joan of Are: "In every miracle we must recognize the mediation of Mary, through whom, according to God's will, every grace and blessing comes to us."
Plus XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, 1928: "Confiding in her intercession with Jesus, "the one Mediator of God and man, who wished to associate his own Mother with himself as the advocate of sinners, as the dispenser and mediatrix of grace."
Plus XII, Superiore Anno, 1940: "As St. Bernard declares,'it is the will of God that we obtain favors through Mary, let everyone hasten to have recourse to Mary."
John XXIII, see Vatican II, Lumen Gentium.
Paul VI, see Lumen Gentium.
John Paul II, Dives in Misericordia, 1980, quoting Lumen Gentium, "In fact, by being assumed into heaven she has not laid aside the office of salvation but by the manifold intercession she continues to obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."
Tiger Lily

Cherry picking statements.

If you are unwilling to bear the Cross with Christ, you are not going to share in the glory with Him.

Mary did share it. And becomes a model for us to follow, and to grow with as a child, to an adult as she did as the Mother of Jesus. I definitely want Him as my older brother.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#445418 May 27, 2013
LTM wrote:
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It would seem you have made up your mind against God already.
and have found Him guilty.
We live in an age where everything wrong is right and everything right is wrong.
Mans heart is evil Genesis 8: 20-25 ,
Abortions are murder of innocent yet man has created every excuse in the book to kill them.
Homosexuality is wrong but again man has created, a family of 2 men, or 2 woman together raising a family.
This is why Man says there is no God because they want to do what they want to do lust of the flesh it feels good do it.
They say in their hearts we don't need god anymore so lets get rid of Him and so in their hearts they say to themselves there is not God.
And start pointing fingers at Him for all the evil that is done in this world.
Well who am I to tell you the sins you commit are worse then mine.
All are sinners and come short of the Glory of God.
have a great day.
You failed to address the question.
You are now creating a "strawman" argument.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445419 May 27, 2013
Jumper The Wise wrote:
<quoted text>I think folks have their hands full trying to figure your MIND out;let alone the maker of all things.
From your perspective is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

I've also been trying to figure out what others are thinking to make them so filled with lust in the belief that a god loves them and will reward them, while at the same time they are eager to believe that the same god will disown and punish others.

Do you think I have it figured out yet Jumper?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#445420 May 27, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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And you can't prove what you think is wind...is wind...it might be a rush of air!!!!!
or a blast of wind

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445421 May 27, 2013
Regina wrote:
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"Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."
Not the words of someone who doesn't love.
(Silly people!)
He was showing sympathy for those who did not understand what they do on this planet.

Not why they killed him.

Move past the words and understand their meanings.

“Right To Die With Dignity ”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#445422 May 27, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Within the theology do you believe your soul is aligned to the holiness that Jehovah created ... or to the evil that Jehovah created?
Good day to you June VanDerMark. I am going to answer your question to me based upon my personal relationship with God. In order to that I must emphasize, I had to learn to take my eyes off a particular faith and off of man and put my focus on God. I realized I needed to go back to the basics in my walk with God in order to have a personal relationship with Him. I used the commandments found in the Bible. The first one that stood out to me was Mark 12:30. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment..." Next, I moved to this part found in Mark 12:31: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the second is like, namely this, "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." My thoughts were if I am aligning my heart to love God with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength then love my neighbor as myself that I will not be consumed with telling others how they should live, but I would be living daily attempting to follow God's commandments and grow and learn about all the other things God has instructed me to do. Sadly, I allowed sinful self to step in and tossed those commandments away. I am thankful God is a God of many chances and didn't turn His back on me and walk away and gave me another chance to repent and try to start all over in personal relationship with him. People are sometimes in the fight of their lives and the last thing they need is someone attacking them because of their religion or believing differently. Some people use any opportunity to bash someone even to the point of attacking on a personal level using whatever means is available at the time and this is where I need to leave because God can't be found in bickering back and forth about a particular faith. If I am busy being about my Father's business then I will not be found being about everyone's business. In conclusion, I am trying to align my soul with God's commandments He has given us and allow the Holy Spirit to instruct me as the example of being on the potter's wheel and one day strive to be off that potter's wheel. I align my soul with the sin/evil when I put the me of sinful self in the equation refusing to obey God and do what He has called me to do...His will for my life. It reminds me of the scriptures:
1 Corinthians 3:2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready...or...Hebrews 5:12: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. My final goal I pray I'm found doing the basic principles of God's instruction and I never allow my sinful self to hurt anyone by using religion as weapon. Thank you for allowing me some time this morning instead of last night to make my reply to you. I hope you are having a nice day.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445423 May 27, 2013
LTM wrote:
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God didn't create evil
I suggest you stop lying about the theology itself. You are not being honest.

According to Jews, Christians and Muslims ... there is only one god. Yet all the believers refer to "him" by different names.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>

Isaiah 45:7

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)

I form light and create darkness, I make success and create disaster; I, Yahweh, do all these things."

Isaiah 45:7

Young's Literal Translation

Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

“Right To Die With Dignity ”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#445424 May 27, 2013
To the posters of the thread, I hope each of you have many smiles in your day.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445425 May 27, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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You are all over the place, man. I get sea-sick trying to figure out where you are coming from.
I'm not all over the place - you just can't grasp each of the points I make. Or you refuse to believe that they are true.

Which is it?

All requires someone to apply to your belief, if you really say you are whom you are - a "christian". All require honesty in what you truly believe.

Maybe you should've researched your religion before joining it?
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>It's your decision to not believe in anything more than your Self, but recognize that others have a firmer foundation upon which they build their beliefs.
True, in that I may believe as I choose to.

But no, I will not recognize other beliefs "have a firmer foundation upon which they build their beliefs". They don't. Your 'team" only supports half of a Jesus - my 'team' supports him in ALL of his teachings.

Looks like you have one major flaw in your belief.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445426 May 27, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Of "Lucifer was "perfect", he would have never become evil. I had to have been inherent in his entity.
Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
Black Thunder 42:

I very much appreciate your trying to understand this verse. For most people it is hard.

I would say first, it was written in Hebrew, by the Jews, and it is hard to get a precise translation into English.

The word for "evil",(roa in Hebrew) is more aligned with our word for calamity, distress, misery, or injury. So it is not what we think of "evil" in our modern metaphysical sense.

Consider war and peace. We think of war as evil. But there are reasons to defend oneself and neighbors. So there is a conflict in our reasoning concerning war(evil) and peace.

It is in this way, one can see this scripture, in its wider meaning. God creates calamity and distress in order to keep war(evil) at bay. Otherwise, the aggression of evil, would not cease killing all that is good.(Remember, the Book of Job. God permitted calamity and distress on Job, via Satan, but ordered him not to kill him(destroy).)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#445427 May 27, 2013
Regina wrote:
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You have changed your original position.
Now you are talking about being Saved.
Originally you it was Love.
Catholics, the original Christians, have always taught that God loves everyone, that we are ALL God's children.
Why do you think a "loving God" would send "His children" to a place of torment instead of somewhere there is always love?

That is, is if one is to believe that there is a place of torment to begin with.

Do you believe that there is?
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#445428 May 27, 2013
Clay wrote:
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"And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie"
Why would a decent parent (creator) commit such an underhanded act ... and at the same time WANT his underlings to see truth in his words?

Men of ignorance convinced others that gods inspired them to write. They were theologians who hated each other's behavior, while idolizing their own behavior of telling such lies.

Do you believe that Joseph Smith had visions from a god that in turn inspired him to write that polygamy was aligned to the will of said god?

If you don't, you will understand why I didn't and don't put faith in the words of ANY theologians that ever existed in ancient times, or exist in this era of time.
Human Being

Ville Platte, LA

#445429 May 27, 2013
LTM wrote:
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At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or reject good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a “thing” that required God to create it.
Perhaps a further illustration will help. If a person is asked,“Does cold exist?” the answer would likely be “yes.” However, this is incorrect. Cold does not exist. Cold is the absence of heat. Similarly, darkness does not exist; it is the absence of light. Evil is the absence of good, or better, evil is the absence of God.
LTM

Very nicely described. Wow.

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