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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603567 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#444751 May 24, 2013
Regina wrote:
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And your disparaging remarks about His church and His mother are duly noted.
BY WHOM?

WHO'S CHURCH...PETER'S,...

I AM A PART OF GOD'S CHURCH....I DON'T WORSHIP THE SUPPORTING

ACTORS...I ONLY WORSHIP AND SERVE GOD...IN JESUS NAME...

NEITHER AM I INVOLVE WITH THE STAGE PROPS...

JESUS SAID...TO THE DEVIL

and I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REMIND ANY ONE THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A BELIEVER..

He said..

Mat_4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,

Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written,

Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#444752 May 24, 2013
Fr. Barron's "Youtube Heresy" ~ Part 4

The fourth and final "Youtube Heresy"is the over-exagerated relationship between religion and violence. This has become completely exacerbated after September 11th, 2001. The basic argument against faith from this perspective is that religion is so irrational, it must resort to violence. The arguments from this particular angle against Catholicism almost always brings up the Crusades, Inquisition, and most recently the sex-abuse scandal in the Church.

Although the reports of the Crusades are extremely unbalanced and the Inquisition numbers have been greatly overblown. The Crusades were in reality a retaliation against the Muslim invasion of the Holy Land and their violence against Christian pilgrims. For example, a group of about 7,000 German pilgrims were en-route to Jerusalem when a group of Muslim occupiers slaughtered all but 2,000 of them (all un-armed and many women and children). Nevertheless, I digress.

You can go "tit-for-tat" with what this and that group did throughout the course of history, but it is still really begging the question. The Church is holy, but Her members are sometimes not. This of course is not a license for clergy to do whatever they want, but a reality check. The sins committed within the Church, although many of them repulsive, do not alter Her mission which is immutable.

The Church has both human and divine dimensions. The Church with Her sacraments, teachings and apostolic tradition make up the mystical body of Christ. However, the people who are in the Church (even in the highest positions), are not prevented from doing stupid and sometimes horrible things. For an institution about 2,000 years old, its nothing less then miraculous that it is around at all but with 1 billion plus members. Its worth remembering also that the worst perpetrators of violence of all time were Hilter, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. They were not the products of religion, but militantly atheistic anti-religious ideologies.
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#444753 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Regina:
I have read Cassian's "Conferences", and is on my list of rereading material.
Along similar lines is St. John Climacus, "Ladder of Divine Ascent"
I am quite appreciative of their work in defining vices, and work on being aware, and fighting them.
At the present I am rereading Imitation of Christ, Catherine of Siena's "Prayers", Hadewijch's "Complete Works, and JPII's, "Threshold of Hope"(for a little lite reading). I like switching around a bit, as the Spirit moves me.
You have such a beautiful spirituality, Robert. A little lite reading, LOL! Although, comparatively, I guess it is! It helps to read small amounts at a time as the writings are very deep. Also, don't forget to get out and live the faith, if possible. I don't know your situation and it sometimes isn't in the cards, but it's easy to close oneself in with God and His saints and forget to bring Him to others. I've been guilty of that far too much lately.

Peace be with you!
Human Being

Church Point, LA

#444754 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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From my perception you are very pompous in the attitude that you DO have understanding concerning issues of importance down pat.
June VanDerMark:

If you are saying that I prioritize, then you are correct.

Such a view, gives order in my life.
It is a luxury, some have not been afforded, and I do not take it for granted.

Trying to make or see the good in every situation does not come easy, and it has its price. A rather steep one.
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#444755 May 24, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Gotquestions? A protestant evangelical website of course.
Well, I suppose half-truths are better than abject ignorance. Mostly wrong here, but some correct observations. Note that they indicate an estimate of 30 some thousand executions, yet you and the confrinters always say "millions". The executions (however many there truly were) were carried out by the secular authority, not the Church.
These are the same people who say Jesus drank alcoholic wine and served it to others. Are you sure you want to hitch your wagons to them LTM?
I don't think she reads any of this stuff, she just copies and pastes it. I don't think anybody else reads it either, we just scroll past. You must be the first, lol!

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444756 May 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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WILL YOU MAKE A STATUE, AN ICON. AND IMAGE, AND IDOL OF WHAT YOU
THINK SHE LOOKS LIKE AND SET IT IN YOUR MAUSOLEUM AND BOW DOWN BEFORE IT...
STOP ... you're exciting me.

:)

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444757 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Trying to make or see the good in every situation does not come easy, and it has its price. A rather steep one.
It seems you overlooked that teaching in Christianity how others will go to hell for eternity.

I see nothing good in that belief that you maintain to idolize.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#444758 May 24, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I see that you caught Regina not being honest with others.
The many Catholics on this forum seem to have these same tendencies.
They think they can spin a tale to the other posters, on their belief, in such a way, they beleive what they say and dispute any other possibility.
This is a sign of someone being brainwashed.
I guess we can attribute the same to how June used to be - with 70 years under her belt.
In essence, it is very hard to be honest with one's Self.
Christianity takes this to the extreme.
What is ironic is that they try to rpomote honesty while being deceptive about it [an "incomplete Jesus" reference].
What gives??
If you follow the history of the church, you will find that it is inherent in the very structure of the organization and it's "builders" from the onset. What you are seeing now is the propagation of extreme apologetics in an effort to cover the exposure of the actuality of the facts, errors, and atrocities of the organization.
It would be comical, except the fact that it has cost over 250 million deaths and unimaginable misery to the world's civilization--and still is.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444759 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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I plead for the salvation of all souls.
WHY?... when you are certain that a god not only allows hell in his kingdom, but keeps it up and running for the wicked offenders ... of which you are NOT of course?

:)
Human Being

Church Point, LA

#444760 May 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
CATHOLICISM is in one of the darkest periods of its history - and the worst ever in the United States - according to a visiting priest who has just finished an international 10-part television series about the church.
Media expert Robert Barron says the sexual abuse crisis has ''undermined the church in almost every aspect of its life'', but because ''the wrong people are telling the story''(the secular media) only the negative side emerges.
''There's always been a shadow side over the church: the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch burnings. But that doesn't undermine the beauty and integrity of the church,'' he said yesterday.
Father Barron is in Melbourne as a Catholic evangelist, speaking to young people, churches and theological faculties, as part of a 13-day national tour.
''If you'd asked me 20 years ago about the worst time in US Catholic history, I would have said the 19th century, when they were pulling down convents and burning rectories, but the sexual abuse scandal has been worse.
''When you hear Catholic you hear sex abuse, paedophile, protecting abusers. Regrettably that is part of the story, but it's such a great reduction of the huge history and tradition.''
The way forward, he says, is back to basics: to simplicity, works of mercy, prayer and poverty, to faith, hope and love.
''We should be looking right now for the saints who pop up in times of crisis, as saints Francis, Dominic, Benedict and Ignatius did.''
Father Barron reaches out particularly through new media, where his YouTube videos have been seen 3.5 million times.''The church can't assume people will stream into schools and parishes to be evangelised - we need to go get them, reach out to the general culture.''
The television series, being shown on more than 250 US channels, takes 10 ''great themes'', from Jesus, God and Mary to the church, the sacraments and the last days.
It cost $3 million to make, a big commitment given the way the sexual abuse crisis has emptied church coffers.''I was a beggar for about two years. A lot of lay Catholics said,'We want to get behind this because the church has been so knocked about by negative publicity, we want something uplifting'.''
Hermeneutics Smutics:

I understand the need to get something uplifting.

But I focus more upon the Church bearing the Cross and falling, even disoriented in the struggle forward. It is more a privilege to do so, even to the end.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444761 May 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
I'll stick with the Bible...
KayMarie
I'll bet you will. Even though a Jew wouldn't.

:)
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#444762 May 24, 2013
Crusade Myths
Fr. Rick Heilman

So, what is the real story of the Crusades? As you might imagine, it is a long story. But there are good histories, written in the last twenty years, that lay much of it out. For the moment, given the barrage of coverage that the Crusades are getting nowadays, it might be best to consider just what the Crusades were not. Here, then, are some of the most common myths and why they are wrong.
http://www.knightsofdivinemercy.com/2010/09/1...

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444763 May 24, 2013
The god supposedly keeps hell open for use, and some Christians want to keep souls out of hell.

What a dirty trick to play against the god that works so hard to keep things on the level.

:)

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#444764 May 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
BY WHOM?
WHO'S CHURCH...PETER'S,...
I AM A PART OF GOD'S CHURCH....I DON'T WORSHIP THE SUPPORTING
ACTORS...I ONLY WORSHIP AND SERVE GOD...IN JESUS NAME...
NEITHER AM I INVOLVE WITH THE STAGE PROPS...
JESUS SAID...TO THE DEVIL
and I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO REMIND ANY ONE THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A BELIEVER..
He said..
Mat_4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written,
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
NOW AS PER-USUAL

IT'S TIME FOR YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT..

THE WORD;S OF JESUS .... HAS PLACE YOU UP AGAINST THE WALL..

I DARE ANY ONE OF YOU TO TELL THE REST OF US

WHY IS IT THAT YOU DON'T...

JUST DO AS JESUS SAID

Worship the Lord thy God, and only shalt thou serve HIM.

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#444765 May 24, 2013
According to Pope John Paul II,“The Inquisition belongs to a tormented phase in the history of the Church, which ... Christians [should] examine in a spirit of sincerity and open-mindedness.”

With all that said, we must distinguish between the facts of the Inquisition and the fiction. Sadly, these errors have been repeated so often that they have become “facts

Yet the consideration of mitigating factors does not exonerate the Church from the obligation to express profound regret for the weaknesses of so many of her sons and daughters who sullied her face, preventing her from fully mirroring the image of her crucified Lord, the supreme witness of patient love and of humble meekness. From these painful moments of the past a lesson can be drawn for the future, leading all Christians to adhere fully to the sublime principle stated by the Council:“The truth cannot impose itself except by virtue of its own truth, as it wins over the mind with both gentleness and power.”
Catholics have a duty to understand what happened during the Inquisition and why. This allows us to distinguish between what is defensible and what is not

Unrepentant men found guilty of heresy were handed over to the State for punishment, even though Church authorities did not always agree with the State’s punishments. We must realize that in handing over the condemned heretic to the secular power, the Church knowingly was handing over the condemned for punishments ranging from imprisonment to burning at the stake. Furthermore, even with all the procedural precautions, there were inquisitors who did not follow the laws of the Church and all too readily handed over a significant number of “heretics” to be burned alive. However, anti-Catholic pamphleteers and historians have grossly exaggerated the numbers, asserting that millions died at the stake. Though the actual numbers are far less (3,000-5,000), these fiery deaths were quite real and regrettable.

It is also true, sadly enough, that the Church, following the judicial customs of the day, allowed for torture as a part of the judicial procedure. The approval of torture went all the way to the top, as Pope Innocent IV’s bull Ad exstirpanda (1252) attests. However, the use of torture during judicial inquiry was not, contrary to her many detractors, the invention of the Church

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#444766 May 24, 2013
Human Being wrote:
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Hermeneutics Smutics:
I understand the need to get something uplifting.
But I focus more upon the Church bearing the Cross and falling, even disoriented in the struggle forward. It is more a privilege to do so, even to the end.
I agree that a person or an institution must not deny or minimize but must face the truth of their sin and repentantly build from there,

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444767 May 24, 2013
Regina wrote:
Crusade Myths
Fr. Rick Heilman
So, what is the real story of the Crusades? As you might imagine, it is a long story. But there are good histories,
Good histories about the Crusades?
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Pope says sorry for sins of church

Saving one of his most audacious initiatives for the twilight of his papacy, John Paul II yesterday attempted to purify the soul of the Roman Catholic church by making a sweeping apology for 2,000 years of violence, persecution and blunders.
From the altar of St Peter's Basilica in Rome he led Catholicism into unchartered territory by seeking forgiveness for sins committed against Jews, heretics, women, Gypsies and native peoples.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/mar/13/c...
Human Being

Church Point, LA

#444768 May 24, 2013
Regina wrote:
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You have such a beautiful spirituality, Robert. A little lite reading, LOL! Although, comparatively, I guess it is! It helps to read small amounts at a time as the writings are very deep. Also, don't forget to get out and live the faith, if possible. I don't know your situation and it sometimes isn't in the cards, but it's easy to close oneself in with God and His saints and forget to bring Him to others. I've been guilty of that far too much lately.
Peace be with you!
Regina

Who said I am Robert?

Prayer time is essential. And it is built up over time.

Living the faith is most important for others. Thank you for the thought.

Getting out for me is difficult. But to be honest it is partially by choice, and part circumstance.

One must be moved by the Spirit. And when this happens, living faith; one's presence in a situation, even without words brings a certain peace beyond understanding, to others. It is wonderful gift from God.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444769 May 24, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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JESUS .... HAS PLACE YOU UP AGAINST THE WALL..
OH OH!!!

I wonder if he's now to teach Judaism (as he would have intended had he been real) before the Catholic HIGH-jacking!

:)

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#444770 May 24, 2013
Hermeneutics Smutics wrote:
<quoted text>I agree that a person or an institution must not deny or minimize but must face the truth of their sin and repentantly build from there,
WHY?

God doesn't face the sin of allowing a hell in his kingdom ... and people don't seem to ask him to repent of his sin.

tongue in cheek

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