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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 667636 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Michael

Canada

#444425 May 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
I am thankful that I are not a Catholic!!!!!
(CNN)-– American atheists welcomed Pope Francis’ comments that God redeems nonbelievers, saying that the new pontiff's historic outreach is helping to topple longstanding barriers.
“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone,” the pope told worshipers at morning Mass on Wednesday.“‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!”
Atheist: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
The Word of God says: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotHe that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/ten Son of God.
OXBOW says.......The Word of God says: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/

MICHAEL says.....Read and learn about religious beliefs from before 2,000 years ago?

....Ancient cultures all around the Mediterranean 2,500 - 3,000 years ago, shared standard ideas about Gods and their powers, and promises, and place in the universe, and that Christianity simply adopted those ideas from the past, and applied them to Jesus. Christianity was just a product of its time and place..........and that is the truth!

Its time you learned what was said lonnng before the Jesus story was told.



LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444426 May 24, 2013
cont
[3.] The taunts and jeers they uttered. These are here recorded.
First, They upbraided him with his destroying of the temple. Though the judges themselves were sensible that what he had said of that was misrepresented (as appears Mark 14:59), yet they industriously spread it among the people, to bring an odium upon him, that he had a design to destroy the temple; than which nothing would more incense the people against him. And this was not the only time that the enemies of Christ had laboured to make others believe that of religion and the people of God, which they themselves have known to be false, and the charge unjust “Thou that destroyest the temple, that vast and strong fabric, try thy strength now in plucking up that cross, and drawing those nails, and so save thyself; if thou hast the power thou hast boasted of, this is a proper time to exert it, and give proof of it; for it is supposed that every man will do his utmost to save himself.” This made the cross of Christ such a stumbling–block to the Jews, that they looked upon it to be inconsistent with the power of the Messiah; he was crucified in weakness (2Cor. 13:4), so it seemed to them; but indeed Christ crucified is the Power of God.
Secondly, They upbraided him with his saying that he was the Son of God; If thou be so, say they, come down from the cross. Now they take the devil’s words out of his mouth, with which he tempted him in the wilderness (Matt. 4:3, 6), and renew the same assault; If thou be the Son of God. They think that now, or never, he must prove himself to be the Son of God; forgetting that he had proved it by the miracles he wrought, particularly his raising of the dead; and unwilling to wait for the complete proof of it by his own resurrection, to which he had so often referred himself and them; which, if they had observed it, would have anticipated the offence of the cross. This comes of judging things by the present aspect of them, without a due remembrance of what is past, and a patient expectation of what may further be produced.
(2.) The chief priests and scribes, the church rulers, and the elders, the state rulers, they mocked him, Matt. 27:41. They did not think it enough to invite the rabble to do it, but gave Christ the dishonour, and themselves the diversion, or reproaching him in their own proper persons. They should have been in the temple at their devotion, for it was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, when there was to be a holy convocation (Lev. 23:7); but they were here at the place of execution, spitting their venom at the Lord Jesus. How much below the grandeur and gravity of their character was this! Could any thing tend more to make them contemptible and base before the people? One would have thought, that, though they neither feared God nor regarded man, yet common prudence should have taught them who had so great a hand in Christ’s death, to keep as much as might be behind the curtain, and to play least in sight; but nothing is so mean as that malice may stick at it. Did they disparage themselves thus, to do despite to Christ, and shall we be afraid of disparaging ourselves, by joining with the multitude to do him honour, and not rather say, If this be to be vile, I will be yet more vile?
Two things the priests and elders upbraided him with.
cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444427 May 24, 2013
cont
[1.] That he could not save himself, Matt. 27:42. He had been before abused in his prophetical and kingly office, and now in his priestly office as a Saviour. First, They take it for granted that he could not save himself, and therefore had not the power he pretended to, when really he would not save himself, because he would die to save us. They should have argued,“He saved others, therefore he could save himself, and if he do not, it is for some good reason.” But, Secondly, They would insinuate, that, because he did not now save himself, therefore all his pretence to save others was but sham and delusion, and was never really done; though the truth of his miracles was demonstrated beyond contradiction. Thirdly, They upbraid him with being the King of Israel. They dreamed of the external pomp and power of the Messiah, and therefore thought the cross altogether disagreeable to the King of Israel, and inconsistent with that character. Many people would like the King of Israel well enough, if he would but come down from the cross, if they could have his kingdom without the tribulation through which they must enter into it. But the matter is settled; if no cross, then no Christ, no crown. Those that would reign with him, must be willing to suffer with him, for Christ and his cross are nailed together in this world. Fourthly, They challenged him to come down from the cross. And what had become of us then, and the work of our redemption and salvation? If he had been provoked by these scoffs to come down from the cross, and so to have left his undertaking unfinished, we had been for ever undone. But his unchangeable love and resolution set him above, and fortified him against, this temptation, so that he did not fail, nor was discouraged. Fifthly, They promised that, if he would come down from the cross, they would believe him. Let him give them that proof of his being the Messiah, and they will own him to be so. When they had formerly demanded a sign, he told them that the sign he would give them, should be not his coming down from the cross, but, which was a greater instance of his power, his coming up from the grave, which they had not patience to wait two or three days for. If he had come down from the cross, they might with as much reason have said that the soldiers had juggled in nailing him to it, as they said, when he was raised from the dead, that the disciples came by night, and stole him away. But to promise ourselves that we would believe, if we had such and such means and motives of faith as we ourselves would prescribe, when we do not improve what God has appointed, is not only a gross instance of the deceitfulness of our hearts, but the sorry refuge, or subterfuge rather, of an obstinate destroying infidelity.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444428 May 24, 2013
cont
[2.] That God, his Father, would not save him (Matt. 27:43); He trusted in God, that is, he pretended to do so; for he said, I am the Son of God. Those who call God Father, and themselves his children, thereby profess to put a confidence in him, Ps. 9:10. Now they suggest, that he did but deceive himself and others, when he made himself so much the darling of heaven; for, if he had been the Son of God (as Job’s friends argued concerning him), he would not have been abandoned to all this misery, much less abandoned in it. This was a sword in his bones, as David complains of the like (Ps. 42:10); and it was a two–edged sword, for it was intended, First, To vilify him, and to make the standers–by think him a deceiver and an impostor; as if his saying, that he was the Son of God, were now effectually disproved. Secondly, To terrify him, and drive him to distrust and despair of his Father’s power and love; which some think, was the thing he feared, religiously feared, prayed against, and was delivered from, Heb. 5:7. David complained more of the endeavours of his persecutors to shake his faith, and drive him from his hope in God, than of their attempts to shake his throne, and drive him from his kingdom; their saying, There is no help for him in God (Ps. 3:2), and, God has forsaken him, Ps. 71:11. In this, as in other things, he was a type of Christ. Nay, these very words David, in that famous prophecy of Christ, mentions, as spoken by his enemies (Ps. 22:8); He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him. Surely these priests and scribes had forgotten their psalter, or they would not have used the same words, so exactly to answer the type and prophecy: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.
(3.) To complete the reproach, the thieves also that were crucified with him were not only not reviled as he was, as if they had been saints compared with him, but, though fellow–sufferers with him, joined in with his prosecutors, and cast the same in his teeth; that is, one of them did, who said, If thou be the Christ, save thyself and us, Luke 23:39. One would think that of all people this thief had least cause, and should have had least mind, to banter Christ. Partners in suffering, though for different causes, usually commiserate one another; and few, whatever they have done before, will breathe their last in revilings. But, it seems, the greatest mortifications of the body, and the most humbling rebukes of Providence, will not of themselves mortify the corruptions of the soul, nor suppress the wickedness of the wicked, without the grace of God.
cont
Clay

Melrose Park, IL

#444429 May 24, 2013
Preston wrote:
<quoted text>Guess you misread this part of my post so let me repeat it for you.
[and as it often happens, he mentioned that the scripture that I read and Preached on ,was on his mind all day. that gives both of us confirmation from the Lord]
If I hadnt preached it, Bub would have, so there is {no different preaching) as you insist. sorry, clay, but I feel sorry for you and your Pavlov services. as you are so conditioned to be unabled to digest His Word.
PS, Pavlov was an expert on digestion.lol
I didn't misread what you said. Bub says the scriptures you sometimes preach on, were on his mind the whole day. That's called 'thinking alike' and not divine guidance from the Holy Spirit.
The reason I say this is because the Holy Spirit wouldn't direct you to preach something different than the first Christians. Plus, you are not in unison with the other pastor down the street. That's not guidance from the Holy Spirit. The Apostles were together in one fold, they didn't preach opposite of each other.
You and Bub think alike. Just like the same things are on the mind of me and my buddies all day.(usually its fishing)
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444430 May 24, 2013
cont
Well, thus our Lord Jesus having undertaken to satisfy the justice of God for the wrong done him in his honour by sin, he did it by suffering in his honour; not only by divesting himself of that which was due to him as the Son of God, but by submitting to the utmost indignity that could be done to the worst of men; because he was made sin for us, he was thus made a curse for us, to make reproach easy to us, if at any time we suffer it, and have all manner of evil said against us falsely, for righteousness’ sake.
III. We have here the frowns of heaven, which our Lord Jesus was under, in the midst of all these injuries and indignities from men. Concerning which, observe,
1. How this was signified—by an extraordinary and miraculous eclipse of the sun, which continued for three hours, Matt. 27:45. There was darkness epi pasan ten gen—over all the earth; so most interpreters understand it, though our translation confines it to that land. Some of the ancients appealed to the annals of the nation concerning this extraordinary eclipse at the death of Christ, as a thing well known, and which gave notice to those parts of the world of something great then in doing; as the sun’s going back in Hezekiah’s time did. It is reported that Dionysius, at Heliopolis in Egypt, took notice of this darkness, and said, Aut Deus naturae patitur, aut mundi machina dissolvitur—Either the God of nature is suffering, or the machine of the world is tumbling into ruin. An extraordinary light gave intelligence of the birth of Christ (Matt. 2:2), and therefore it was proper that an extraordinary darkness should notify his death, for he is the Light of the world. The indignities done to our Lord Jesus, made the heavens astonished, and horribly afraid, and even put them into disorder and confusion; such wickedness as this the sun never saw before, and therefore withdrew, and would not see this. This surprising, amazing, darkness was designed to stop the mouths of those blasphemers, who were reviling Christ as he hung on the cross; and it should seem that, for the present, it struck such a terror upon them, that though their hearts were not changed, yet they were silent, and stood doubting what this should mean, till after three hours the darkness scattered, and then (as appears by Matt. 27:47), like Pharaoh when the plague was over, they hardened their hearts. But that which was principally intended in this darkness, was,(1.) Christ’s present conflict with the powers of darkness. Now the prince of this world, and his forces, the rulers of the darkness of this world, were to be cast out, to be spoiled and vanquished; and to make his victory the more illustrious, he fights them on their own ground; gives them all the advantage they could have against him by this darkness, lets them take the wind and sun, and yet baffles them, and so becomes more than a conqueror.(2.) His present want of heavenly comforts. This darkness signified that dark cloud which the human soul of our Lord Jesus was now under. God makes his sun to shine upon the just and upon the unjust; but even the light of the sun was withheld from our Saviour, when he was made sin for us. A pleasant thing it is for the eyes to behold the sun; but because now his soul was exceeding sorrowful, and the cup of divine displeasure was filled to him without mixture, even the light of the sun was suspended.
cont

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#444431 May 24, 2013
God does not want you in hell if he did want people there they would be. He is not a cruel or angry god people are cruel and angry! It appears you have been misinformed! For god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son so that they may not perish but have ever lasting life! What part of that is not clear to you! If God didn't love us he would not have hyave shown such mercy time and time again! Even now he has high hopes for us and loves us as a father or mother loves thier children! When your child makes a mistake to you hate him for it? Of course not you may be upset at the decision they made and punish them but yet you love them! Why do you think we call him the father in heaven? Not bc he wants to torture you! Look at Kane and Able did God send him to hell for killing his brother? No, he sentenced him to walk the earth and even made Kane a promise to protect him after he sinned! Does that sound like an angry God that wants you to burn in Hell? True Hell is complete seperation from God and his Love!
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Awww come on now. What's the fun of being in heaven with Jesus and god for company if you can't gloat about how nice it is to be perfect while others burn in hell???
I suggest you be realistic.
:)
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444432 May 24, 2013
cont
When earth denied him a drop of cold water, heaven denied him a beam of light; having to deliver us from utter darkness, he did himself, in the depth of his sufferings, walk in darkness, and had no light, Isa. 50:10. During the three hours that this darkness continued, we do not find that he said one word, but passed this time in a silent retirement into his own soul, which was now in agony, wrestling with the powers of darkness, and taking in the impressions of his Father’s displeasure, not against himself, but the sin of man, which he was now making his soul an offering for. Never were there three such hours since the day that God created man upon the earth, never such a dark and awful scene; the crisis of that great affair of man’s redemption and salvation.
2. How he complained of it (Matt. 27:46); About the ninth hour, when it began to clear up, after a long and silent conflict. Jesus cried, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? The words are related in the Syriac tongue, in which they were spoken, because worthy of double remark, and for the sake of the perverse construction which his enemies put upon them, in putting Elias for Eli. Now observe here,
cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444433 May 24, 2013
cont
(1.) Whence he borrowed this complaint—from Ps. 22:1. It is not probable (as some have thought) that he repeated the whole psalm; yet hereby he intimated that the whole was to be applied to him, and that David, in spirit, there spoke of his humiliation and exaltation. This, and that other word, Into thy hands I commit my spirit, he fetched from David’s psalms (though he could have expressed himself in his own words), to teach us of what use the word of God is to us, to direct us in prayer, and to recommend to us the use of scripture–expressions in prayer, which will help our infirmities.
(2.) How he uttered it—with a loud voice; which bespeaks the extremity of his pain and anguish, the strength of nature remaining in him, and the great earnestness of his spirit in this expostulation. Now the scripture was fulfilled (Joel 3:15, 16); The sun and the moon shall be darkened. The Lord shall also roar out of Zion, and utter his voice form Jerusalem. David often speaks of his crying aloud in prayer, Ps. 55:17.
(3.) What the complaint was—My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? A strange complaint to come from the mouth of our Lord Jesus, who, we are sure, was God’s elect, in whom his soul delighted (Isa. 42:1), and one in whom he was always well pleased. The Father now loved him, nay, he knew that therefore he loved him, because he laid down his life for the sheep; what, and yet forsaken of him, and in the midst of his sufferings too! Surely never sorrow was like unto that sorrow which extorted such a complaint as this from one who, being perfectly free from sin, could never be a terror to himself; but the heart knows its own bitterness. No wonder that such a complaint as this made the earth to quake, and rent the rocks; for it is enough to make both the ears of every one that hears it to tingle, and ought to be spoken of with great reverence.
cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444434 May 24, 2013
cont
Note,[1.] That our Lord Jesus was, in his sufferings, for a time, forsaken by his Father. So he saith himself, who we are sure was under no mistake concerning his own case. Not that the union between the divine and human nature was in the least weakened or shocked; no, he was now by the eternal Spirit offering himself: nor as if there were any abatement of his Father’s love to him, or his to his Father; we are sure that there was upon his mind no horror of God, or despair of his favour, nor any thing of the torments of hell; but his Father forsook him; that is, First, He delivered him up into the hands of his enemies, and did not appear to deliver him out of their hands. He let loose the powers of darkness against him, and suffered them to do their worst, worse than against Job. Now was that scripture fulfilled (Job 16:11), God hath turned me over into the hands of the wicked; and no angel is sent from heaven to deliver him, no friend on earth raised up to appear for him. Secondly, He withdrew from him the present comfortable sense of his complacency in him. When his soul was first troubled, he had a voice from heaven to comfort him (John 12:27, 28); when he was in his agony in the garden, there appeared an angel from heaven strengthening him; but now he had neither the one nor the other. God hid his face from him, and for awhile withdrew his rod and staff in the darksome valley. God forsook him, not as he forsook Saul, leaving him to an endless despair, but as sometimes he forsook David, leaving him to a present despondency. Thirdly, He let out upon his soul an afflicting sense of his wrath against man for sin. Christ was made Sin for us, a Curse for us; and therefore, though God loved him as a Son, he frowned upon him as a Surety. These impressions he was pleased to admit, and to waive that resistance of them which he could have made; because he would accommodate himself to this part of his undertaking, as he had done to all the rest, when it was in his power to have avoided it.
cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444435 May 24, 2013
cont
[2.] That Christ’s being forsaken of his Father was the most grievous of his sufferings, and that which he complained most of. Here he laid the most doleful accents; he did not say,“Why am I scourged? And why spit upon? And why nailed to the cross?” Nor did he say to his disciples, when they turned their back upon him, Why have ye forsaken me? But when his Father stood at a distance, he cried out thus; for this as it that put wormwood and gall into the affliction and misery. This brought the waters into the soul, Ps. 69:1-3.
[3.] That our Lord Jesus, even when he was thus forsaken of his Father, kept hold of him as his God, notwithstanding; My God, my God; though forsaking me, yet mine. Christ was God’s servant in carrying on the work of redemption, to him he was to make satisfaction, and by him to be carried through and crowned, and upon that account he calls him his God; for he was now doing his will. See Isa. 49:5-9. This supported him, and bore him up, that even in the depth of his sufferings God was his God, and this he resolves to keep fast hold of.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444436 May 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
437
<quoted text>
Then I would have said: According to the way you think.....wind does not exist...because no one has ever seen it!!!!! Same with electricity!!!!!
two bad examples,wind you can feel,jesus you can't,electricity is real because we are using it right now,and if you ever been zapped by it, you know it's real.jesus ever power your pc? or give you a good jolt of pain through out your whole body?

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444437 May 24, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
427
<quoted text>
What was the question????
you were talking about god saying something and i asked how can you proved he said it and it went from there,you tried to duck,dodge and circle around my question because you have no true answer for it.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444438 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
According to some Christians, god hates everything that takes attention off of him, so you best be careful. Also, he didn't create evil just for the fun of it ... or maybe he did ... but it would be only for HIS fun and his different sense of what is and what is not humor.
:)
true,i'm sure he's laughing histerrically at hojo's repeated 1000 times over post for anything you ask him, he believes in god and the pagan/christian church,but he knows nothing about it.he just sits in the church every day and listens to what ever they say and believes it,without questioning anything.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#444439 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:

<quoted text>
Awww come on now. What's the fun of being in heaven with Jesus and god for company if you can't gloat about how nice it is to be perfect while others burn in hell???
I suggest you be realistic.
:)
----------
Trying to put your own evil thoughts in peoples heads are you June.
You are doing your fathers works I see he would be proud of you.
The devils playing field is peoples minds, he will not go where the spirit of the Lord is which is the Heart.
The Children of God have the full Armour of God.
The helmet of our salvations.

There isn't a person on earth would want to rejoice over someone in hell.
Certainly not someone who loves the Lord.
So the next time you tell someone to go to hell,
think about what you are saying.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444440 May 24, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
According to some Christians, god hates everything that takes attention off of him, so you best be careful. Also, he didn't create evil just for the fun of it ... or maybe he did ... but it would be only for HIS fun and his different sense of what is and what is not humor.
:)
must of been the pagan/christians that said that,who cares, there no more important than anyone else.
Michael

Canada

#444441 May 24, 2013
...... Christianity doesn't come from Jesus and a big bang. It comes from the accumulation of legends, story tellers, and theologies by people who believed in a Jesus.

.....The origin of those ideas wasn't Jesus. The origin were the myths, legends, philosophies, prejudices, literature, superstitions, and primitive cosmology of ancient western cultures that lived 1,000 years before the story tellers made up the Jesus story.

.....read and learn about the beliefs that came long before Jesus. Its all part of our human past.

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444442 May 24, 2013
truth
Perth, Australia
Reply »
11 hrs ago Judged:you make me sick..did you know that..

i will asked now assistance for my secrets
develop my weapons
only 3x symbol
with two diagram
then we will see


JETHRO:anyone know who he/she is talking about? or to who this is directed at?
Michael

Canada

#444443 May 24, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>true,i'm sure he's laughing histerrically at hojo's repeated 1000 times over post for anything you ask him, he believes in god and the pagan/christian church,but he knows nothing about it.he just sits in the church every day and listens to what ever they say and believes it,without questioning anything.
Jethro says.......he just sits in the church every day and listens to what ever they say and believes it,without questioning anything.
Michael says......Interesting that catholics claim their religious faith and love of God is the MOST important entity in their lives, yet today less than 1 in 4, 25% of american catholics attend mandatory sunday mass, and fewer than 1% thats right 1%! of roman catholics attend daily mass that is offered in every city in america..........and I thought catholics religious belief, and faith in God were Job 1! Its obvious most catholics are not truthful of what they say.
Catholic HIPOCRICY!

Since: Nov 08

usa

#444444 May 24, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
God is all for us having fun and enjoying the life He gave us Jethro.
I play chess and I watch all kinds of Sports.
When I was a kid I wanted to be a boxer, but female boxers weren't allowed. I hung out in the Moss Park gym in Toronto with my brother.
Met George Chuvalo he is a big man.
I love the outdoors, I could survive in the woods by myself very nicely.
I could show you how to make a rod, reel and hook out of drift wood.
Jesus called fishermen to be fishers of men.
God doesn't want us to do things that would hurt our bodies,
or lose our moral compass which has happened to many people today.
Or hurt each other.
If people read the 10 Commandments , they would see that.
Why do people thing all the evil in the world is from God.
Satan is the god of this world, his time is short he is going to do all the damage and collect all the souls he can before his time is up.
I am not a religious person Jethro religious have separated Gods people as you can tell from this form.
That does not mean I want to hurt is bad things happen to people.
Even the people who don't believe.
Even my worst enemy I would stay away from before I would hurt them.
That is not God's way ,
Matthew 5:
Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said,‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?
Do all Christians obey this no they don't is that God's fault no it is ours.
Be angry with us not God.
It's keep your friends close,but your enemies closer,you met George Chuvalo,must of been around the time he was going to fight muhamad ali, I believe that took place in the canadian area,or close to it,i didn't know you play chess LT? will have to meet on pogo and play a game.last time we chatted you said you were going fishing? how'd that turn out?

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