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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 690323 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#443420 May 21, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
Just Sayin wrote:
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I agree. Tower of Babel was the first attempt at one world government and religion. Now it's being tried again.......JETHRO: Where are the remnants of the tower of babel? would love to see pictures of it.
Some archaeologists say they have found it..its base is only 300+ feet and it is estimated to only have been 295 feet high. LOL!
"Heaven" must have been really "low" in those days...
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#443421 May 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
Ok Tiger, what happens if I read my Bible (and I have my whole life) Confrint reads his Bible and you read your Bible and we all come to different conclusions? Now what?
You know this is the reality. If you put 5 people in separate rooms to read the bible, when they come out, who've got 5 different religions.
What if Confrint and I take a vote and decide you are wrong. Now what?
What if your grandkids undo your interpretations and now your Christianity is different than theirs?
Do you honestly believe THIS is the religion that Jesus Christ started and His Apostles went to their deaths to establish?
Clay, the Catholic Church has its hierarchy to tell you what to believe.

I have given you many scriptural verses to plainly tell you that what the Roman Catholic Church teaches is false.

The apostles started a church which is still alive and well today. It is NOT the Roman Catholic Church.

Her is a quotation from Scripture...

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Confrint and I both know what this means but you obviously think that all the dead people are in Heaven, Hell or Purgatory and perhaps Limbo.

Why would the Lord Himself come at the Second Coming to waken those who sleep in the dust of the earth? If they were already with Him in Heaven, it would be pointless!

You say they are not asleep.

Bible says they are.

Revelation 20 tells us there is also a second resurrection: that of the damned.

You say they are in Hell.

It is not a matter of whether you or I are correct. It is a matter of what the Bible plainly teaches.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#443422 May 21, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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Conjecture. Most non-Catholics know that evil spirits have appeared to people as being loved ones.
The Bible has sufficient in it to guard us from this deception.
Catholics are vulnerable because they believe the dead are not really "dead".
You are anongst those.
Your statements are pure conjecture. All four sentences.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#443423 May 21, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Jethro, I don't believe this to be true.
I think it is just the opposite,
In the O.T. they were under the law,
The N.T. we are under the blood of Jesus.
We are still to obey the laws of God ,
Those who are punished for breaking the laws is severe Jethro, but remember Nations are in judgement because of people breaking the laws of God.
The people who broke Gods laws knew that, but did it anyway.
so who is the monster here a person who willing put a whole nation in judgement for his own selfish wants.
Or a God who made away for the forgiveness of sins.
Remember also the nations God did destroy were selling their own child for blood sacrifices to Baal. or some other evil practice
June and some others want to know why
God doesn't put an end to the suffering of the innocent, and when He does people claim He is the monster.
People have to make up their minds. To every thing there is a season Jethro, God isn't the bad guy here.
Here is a complete list of them...
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

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#443424 May 21, 2013
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Clay wrote:
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Lets see... should we try Ox's criteria for salvation based on his private interpretation of the Bible?
-Deny that Jesus Christ is God.
-insult His Church that Apparently got His Ministry all screwed up.
-trash His Mother by saying she's just a vessel and if she didn't say yes to the Angel, someone else would have!
(If I was Christ, I wouldn't take to kindly to that.)
Now all I have to do is an alter call in one of those tent revival meetings then I'm saved eh?
She was no more than a lowly handmaiden...period....

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#443425 May 21, 2013
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socci wrote:
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The faith of Jesus is Christianity and it is based on all the history of the world which confirms the Bible, including the historic fact Jesus was recorded by all the historians.
Faith of Jesus???? What does that mean...exactly?????

Christianity: The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#443426 May 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok Tiger, what happens if I read my Bible (and I have my whole life) Confrint reads his Bible and you read your Bible and we all come to different conclusions. Now what?
You know this is the reality. If you put 5 people in separate rooms to read the bible, when they come out, who've got 5 different religions.
What if Confrint and I take a vote and decide you are wrong. Now what?
What if your grandkids undo your interpretations and now your Christianity is different than theirs?
Do you honestly believe THIS is the religion that Jesus Christ started and His Apostles went to their deaths to establish?
That would be the Orthodox Church. Or maybe not.

See your problem yet?

You selected your denomination based on emotional reasons and needs.

You had to, because there is no evidence of any god on which to base a reasoned and unbiased selection.

Most who "study" religion select the one in which they were raised.

Why? Because it is impossible to make a rational, fact-based choice based on zero real-world facts.

Emotion only.
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#443427 May 21, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
So you believe faith alone in the name Jesus will save you???
Save you from what? A god's wrath???
:)
June VanDerMark:

Because the human language is inadequate for a description, all I can do is approximate.

But its a "package" deal. It takes faith, hope, and especially love of God and fellow humanity. Faith and hope merge together, in an intellectual fashion, and becomes the bones and blood of a spiritual body.

Although I have faith, and a fear(the word I use is "awestruck at God's awesomeness) of God's wrath, neither one is a motivation for personal salvation. I can see they are for some, especially when starting out a spiritual journey with God.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#443428 May 21, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, the Catholic Church has its hierarchy to tell you what to believe.
I have given you many scriptural verses to plainly tell you that what the Roman Catholic Church teaches is false.
The apostles started a church which is still alive and well today. It is NOT the Roman Catholic Church.
Her is a quotation from Scripture...
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Confrint and I both know what this means but you obviously think that all the dead people are in Heaven, Hell or Purgatory and perhaps Limbo.
Why would the Lord Himself come at the Second Coming to waken those who sleep in the dust of the earth? If they were already with Him in Heaven, it would be pointless!
You say they are not asleep.
Bible says they are.
Revelation 20 tells us there is also a second resurrection: that of the damned.
You say they are in Hell.
It is not a matter of whether you or I are correct. It is a matter of what the Bible plainly teaches.
Since you seem to be quoting alot of "Paul" instead of Jesus, why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?

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#443429 May 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Peter is mentioned 168 times in the Bible. More than all other Apostles combined.
Jesus gave Peter the keys.
Peter is always mentioned first. The Book of acts reveals this authority.
In Acts 15, you teach that Peter was subordinate to James? Interesting.
If the Catholic Church is not the one started by Jesus Christ, then who is?
Celibacy is a Catholic rule; a Discipline.
Priest are celibate because Jesus was celibate.
Please show where Jesus Christ commanded a Bible be compiled to dictate His Ministry? He didn't. That's why the Apostles took 30-50 yrs to even write anything. And that's why Christianity had no NT until the 5th century.
So much for 'Bible Alone'... it was never taught or heard of until the Books became published in 1452. Then, a hundred yrs later, people decided to direct their own Christian teachings.
Now look at the mess!
You will not answer my question because you know it will lead you to the truth...and make you a liar.....

Should you be called to do a specific job and when you report for work, you are given all the neccessary tools that will allow you to be perfect in performing your work, what other tools would you need?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#443430 May 21, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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When Peter went to Rome. Where the Bishop is, there is the Church.
Roman apologetics at their best!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#443431 May 21, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Christianity: The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Correction to your statement:

"Christianity: a religion founded on part of the life and teachings of Jesus."

There - that is now accurate.

Thanks for responding.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#443432 May 21, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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Two different contexts. Both under the OLD COVENANT where GRACE was not available.
Under Moses' law, a person gathering sticks on the Sabbath was to be put to death.
Sin offerings in blood were made then. Death was a penalty for some transgressions.
In the OT, God demanded the destruction of whole nations including women, children and all the animals. It is one question I will ask when I get there: why.
Why? It sounded like you knew what the Bible said, so I asked.

Yes, they are both OT, and yes, they say opposite things, but I don't see where the context would change the meaning of either.

Neither do you.

In the OT, you claim God/Jesus had no problem killing children, and their children, and their children, up to the fourth generation, all because an original parent sinned.

That's visiting the sin upon the innocent mothers too, like mothers are only an afterthought.

Call it grace, call it whatever you want, that's like worshipping a god with as much compassion as Adolf Hitler.

Thankfully, your psycho god is just as imaginary as the nice gods.

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#443433 May 21, 2013
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Clay wrote:
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Peter is mentioned 168 times in the Bible. More than all other Apostles combined.
Jesus gave Peter the keys.
Peter is always mentioned first. The Book of acts reveals this authority.
In Acts 15, you teach that Peter was subordinate to James? Interesting.
If the Catholic Church is not the one started by Jesus Christ, then who is?
Celibacy is a Catholic rule; a Discipline.
Priest are celibate because Jesus was celibate.
Please show where Jesus Christ commanded a Bible be compiled to dictate His Ministry? He didn't. That's why the Apostles took 30-50 yrs to even write anything. And that's why Christianity had no NT until the 5th century.
So much for 'Bible Alone'... it was never taught or heard of until the Books became published in 1452. Then, a hundred yrs later, people decided to direct their own Christian teachings.
Now look at the mess!
That makes Peter the least....not the greatest!!!! Per Scripture:

Christ said:
And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#443434 May 21, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Sorry, the link didn't work.
I will agree that we experience the kingdom of God in our innermost being or that when we experience it, we experience it to the core. But I don't think we should naval gaze in order to find it.
It was missing a letter(sorry 'bout that).

http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol12No2/HV12N2R...

LUKE 17:21:“THE KINGDOM OF
GOD IS INSIDEYOU”
THE ANCIENT SYRIAC VERSIONS
IN SUPPORT OF THE CORRECT
TRANSLATION*
ILARIA RAMELLI
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF THE SACRED HEART,MILAN
ABSTRACT
In this study I contend that in Luke 17:21 the right translation of
Jesus’ words is not,“God’s Kingdom is among you,” or “in the midst
of you,” as modern versions into English and other languages generally render, but “God’s Kingdom is inside you.” Strong support for
the latter comes from ancient Syriac versions of this and other Gospel
passages, from a systematic investigation of the meaning of e)nto/j in
all of Greek literature anterior to, and contemporary with, Luke, and
from a careful analysis of the expression e)nto/j + genitive in the
New Testament and the Septuagint. I argue that, if the evangelist
had meant “The Kingdom of God is among you,” he would have
used, not e)nto\j u(mw=n, but e)n me/sw|u(mw=n, which is widely attested in this meaning in the New Testament and especially in Luke.
Moreover, the translation that I advocate and that the Syriac versions
support fits better in the immediate context of an address to the
*
I am very grateful to the anonymous readers of my article and to
George Kiraz, whose work on the ancient Syriac versions of the Gospels
is more helpful than I can say, and offers a constant source of inspiration.

----------
Note the author(scholar)---------
ILARIA RAMELLI
CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF THE SACRED HEART,MILAN

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#443435 May 21, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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The link is about the Church sharing these items with the public in a traveling exhibit.
Is that the best proof that the Church "hoards" treasures you have?
No they are not. It is the rules for entering the Vatican archives, and the other is about mid east religious relics found there(that they finally decided to make public).
Do you have comprehension and reading problems?
Human Being

Kinder, LA

#443436 May 21, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay, the Catholic Church has its hierarchy to tell you what to believe.
I have given you many scriptural verses to plainly tell you that what the Roman Catholic Church teaches is false.
The apostles started a church which is still alive and well today. It is NOT the Roman Catholic Church.
Her is a quotation from Scripture...
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Confrint and I both know what this means but you obviously think that all the dead people are in Heaven, Hell or Purgatory and perhaps Limbo.
Why would the Lord Himself come at the Second Coming to waken those who sleep in the dust of the earth? If they were already with Him in Heaven, it would be pointless!
You say they are not asleep.
Bible says they are.
Revelation 20 tells us there is also a second resurrection: that of the damned.
You say they are in Hell.
It is not a matter of whether you or I are correct. It is a matter of what the Bible plainly teaches.
Tiger Lily:

When one passes from the temporal world, to the eternal world, which we term as death, then descriptions and metaphors often breakdown.

Our expectation and hope that Christ's Second Coming is soon, but likewise we hope it is delayed so that more souls should accept Christ.

Paul saw the "third heaven", the writer of the Book of Revelation saw the heavens as well. Does that mean it was a vision, or real or both?

After one dies, does one wait in temporal time, for eternal effects?

Since: Jun 10

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#443437 May 21, 2013
Clay wrote:
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On February 24th 303 AD, Pagan Rome and the four Emperors that governed it, launched the biggest mass persecution in the history of Christianity. They leveled every Church in the empire; rounded up the Pope and every Bishop, Priest and Deacon they could find and killed them. They confiscated every piece of Christian scripture they could get their hands on and burned them. Christians by the thousands were slaughtered or imprisoned. No one in their right mind would have admitted they were a follower of Jesus Christ.
Unless there was something real burning in their hearts.
My point is that, Christianity should have ended in the yrs following 303 AD, but 10 yrs later, the very Empire that brutalized the Catholic Church for 300 yrs converted to the faith. How does that happen? Why would they decide to follow a poor defenseless homeless man who's been 'dead' for 3 centuries and apparently wasn't powerful enough to get down from the cross even though He said He was God???
Like I said, there was something burning then and it continues today and we call that the Holy Spirit.
Catholics are forever trying to sell to the world, the idea that Christ, a Jew, and His 12 Jewish apostles, during the time that Christ was on earth, established the Roman Catholic Church, that everyone knows, that even as of today, is for Gentiles and not Jews!!!!

Quote: After excerpts from the second volume of the pope’s book on Jesus made the rounds last week, featuring his rejection of the idea that “the Jews” killed Christ, the full text adds another point with important implications for Christian/Jewish relations -- in effect, that Christianity “must not concern herself with the conversion of the Jews.”

The comment comes in Benedict XVI’s book Jesus of Nazareth: Holy Week, the full text of which was released today.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#443438 May 21, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
don't mind me, i'm just trying sociopathology on for size so i get to be just as nasty and accusatory to you as you are to me and then some! this shit is fun!;)
Great. Thanks for again making my point and this time - admitting you are trying to be nasty.

That is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught and the god you claim to follow. And you even say it is "fun" doing the opposite of what your god taught.

Is it coming to you yet?

Heck, you just wrote how it's fun to do the opposite of Jesus' teachings, and you are still angry at me for pointing out your hypocrisy?

The "fun" you are feeling is Satan.

I am here to help you. Read your own words again and you will see.

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#443439 May 21, 2013
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Clay wrote:
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Ok Tiger, what happens if I read my Bible (and I have my whole life) Confrint reads his Bible and you read your Bible and we all come to different conclusions. Now what?
You know this is the reality. If you put 5 people in separate rooms to read the bible, when they come out, who've got 5 different religions.
What if Confrint and I take a vote and decide you are wrong. Now what?
What if your grandkids undo your interpretations and now your Christianity is different than theirs?
Do you honestly believe THIS is the religion that Jesus Christ started and His Apostles went to their deaths to establish?
Show us how five different people could see five different messages in:

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

I know yours is: It says Christ is God!!!!!! Which all can see is BS

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