Roman Catholic church only true churc...

Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 653553 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Clay

Garden City, MI

#441886 May 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
TODAY
MAN HAS TAKEN HIS ATTENTION OFF OF GOD AND DIRECTED THEIR ATTENTION TO WHAT OTHER MEN HAVE CONCLUDED...

Snipped.
Your quote sums up every aspect of Protestantism. This would INCLUDE the Pentecostal movement that began about a hundred yrs ago. You see, you're not in the Church Confrint. Your outside dictating your own Christian theology. That's the only thing you seem concerned about. I don't think you were called by God to interpret the scriptures because you don't teach the same as the Apostolic fathers, the Apostles and Jesus Christ.
Also, you falsely accuse we Catholics almost every day. That reeks of something wicked.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#441887 May 17, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Near universal consesus of historians and other professionals alike as to when these books were written:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
For the NT books, scroll about halfway down.
Authorship of the Bible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_th...
For the NT books, scroll about halfway down.
This stuff is not hard to find.
Thank you, I stand corrected on the dating on when the earliest fragments were written. My mistake.

However, we still have the hearsay aspect. Who wrote the earliest fragments, 60 to 90 years after Jesus' death? Did they really live that long?

The first sentence of your link:

"With the exception of a few sections in the biblical section known as the Prophets, virtually no biblical text is contemporaneous with the events it describes, and every part was subject to revision by later authors."

Thanks again for correcting my mistake.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441888 May 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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You are on the forum to "discuss" beliefs, are you NOT???
The term "New Age Spiritual 'leader'" should even be off-putting to you ... if you had any sense of humility whatsoever.
Actually not June.

The topic is about how the RCC claims to be the true church for salvation.

IMO - the Pope mispoke - because of many paths to salvation.

Now - if you want to talk about beliefs - mine are only an objection to the RCC's.

If you want to oppose the RCC then do so, as you have been. My beliefs have no bearing on your refutation, so please remember that point.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#441889 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Then maybe you should use 'adoration' instead of 'condemnation'.
Imagine what the results would be if you did.
Well, observe how you move people to follow your lead, and then you can give me advise.

I suggest that you alienate others with your "leadership" attitude.

People don't like braggarts unless it's them and those who believe as they believe.

I don't know if life continues after death ... but I know that if other forms of life are not special to a creator, I don't want to be special either.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441890 May 17, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Admitting it's only a faith must be scary to many. I don't understand it.
I know the feeling. I too made that step and realized what it meant afterwards.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#441891 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Anyone can claim that a prophecy was filled, after reading about it and filling it.
Don't be so irrational in your thinking.
I suppose so, if it is within a person's power to "fulfill" the prophecy one could just for fun make it come "true".

This is hardly what happened in the cases of Biblical prophecies fulfilled.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441892 May 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I'd like proof from you that you are a spiritual being rather than just a mortal being.
As you profess to be a spiritual leader, unless a creator gave you personal messages, you also must have relied on what one or another theologian taught you.
From your perception are all forms of life "spiritual beings," or does that apply just to humans?
For instance ... do mosquitoes have the spirit of the creator within them?
You ask for alot of others.

a. You'll have to wait until I die for the "spiritual being" to happen.

b. Correct, I have used other men and their theories to formulate my belief. Just like you. And yes we are both human.

c. "Do other animals have Spirit?"
- good question - I don't know. Dogs and Cats seem to love me back, and love is a bi-product of Spirit. Animals that are feral and/or carnal, not so much love, eh? This is still a mystery to me, but keep the thoughts in yuor mind, because maybe one day, when you die, and that pet you had loved as a child, could very well come up to you to greet you.*shrugs*

Why? What do you think?

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#441893 May 17, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Thank you, I stand corrected on the dating on when the earliest fragments were written. My mistake.
However, we still have the hearsay aspect. Who wrote the earliest fragments, 60 to 90 years after Jesus' death? Did they really live that long?
The first sentence of your link:
"With the exception of a few sections in the biblical section known as the Prophets, virtually no biblical text is contemporaneous with the events it describes, and every part was subject to revision by later authors."
Thanks again for correcting my mistake.
As were all the other supposed saviors, the fictional Jesus was illiterate. Myths can't write stories.

Only the men who wrote of what Jesus supposedly said and did were literate, and their literacy made sure that "dead people don't talk." They waited until telling a new myth was a relatively safe BET.

It stands to reason, that had Jesus lived, his last words on the cross would have been "I am a faithful Jew. I do not support any upcoming new religions, and if others in the future claim it is truth, they are lying!"

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441894 May 17, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Originally the Codex Sinaiticus contained the whole of both Testaments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_sinaiticus
And the Codex Vaticanus also contained all the gospelbooks which record Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus
Really?

Do you mean "God" changed it, so it could be accurate.....or in truth, men did?

Well?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441895 May 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I posted it many times, but I will post it again. I left religion for the last time at the age of seventy, but the process was gradual after studying most religions and their concepts of supposed truth for many years. I will be seventy four this June, so that is four years ago.
I thought I was going to be seventy-five this year, but my husband corrected me.
Let's see - you left religion 4 yrs ago, whereas I left organized religion well over 30 yrs ago.

With this, you arriving on this forum within the month, seem to know all about non-believers and why they believe a they choose.

What a bunch of hogwash. It'll work with the believers though, huh?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#441896 May 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I don't believe in the big-bang theory.
It makes more sense to me that the universe always existed and in it's every-changing forms will always exist.
However, I admit that my belief is just one among all other beliefs and that it holds no value except to me and those who believe as I believe.
The problem is that the "Bing Bang" has tons of evidence to support it. The steeay state universe is proven wrong and the Bible story is a joke.

Wat happened prior to the big bang is best explained by a quantuum fluctuation in an infinite vacuum. IE: The Universe came from nothing. That something can indeed come from nothing an observeable and well documented reality.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#441897 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Actually not June.
The topic is about how the RCC claims to be the true church for salvation.
IMO - the Pope mispoke - because of many paths to salvation.
Now - if you want to talk about beliefs - mine are only an objection to the RCC's.
If you want to oppose the RCC then do so, as you have been. My beliefs have no bearing on your refutation, so please remember that point.
Your beliefs have every interest to me, as you would like to impress others with your own "knowledge," and I perceive you are full of hot air.

You are here to tear down other people's beliefs, and I believe you also need to be scrutinized as other than a credible "spiritual leader."
Anthony MN

Saint Paul, MN

#441898 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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....but yet you still only accept less than six of the original 13 Apostles.
You are still confused and misleading.
If you believe in the Apostles, then do so, not just one or two as you do.
Wake up!!
Um, we accept all of the apostles, but they didn't all write stuff down, and Jesus never instructed them to.

The guys who succeeded the guys who were appointed by the apostles knew the gnostic texts were fraudulant. They knew that because the texts opposed the verbal transmission of the faith received from them,(i.e., Sacred Tradition).

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441899 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
This is true - decisions by men to decide what beliefs other men are to believe.
You fell for it.
Bummer.
You should've believed Jesus instead.
Dan wrote:
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Again, you absolve yourself of what you accuse Regina and JS (and me) of.
Typing "self" every third post or so doesn't put you out of the company of people who believe what men wrote of Jesus.
Correction to your little treatise here.

I haven't accepted the men you have. In fact I dispute that they were indeed inspired by "God" to choose which books were to be accepted as a belief.

This is where we separate you from me. I am honest that men wrote these texts - not "God".

What other bullshit excuses you got?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#441900 May 17, 2013
LTM wrote:
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Are you saying that the Genesis account of creation in 6 days was literal?...In the face of scientific discovery and analysis that shows that to be totally incorrect?
Dan
No, I'm not saying that.
Why not its true, you don't believe in the Bibles account of creation??
You don't believe God is capable of Genesis account of Creation.
According to fossil evidence, the story is incorrect.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441901 May 17, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Well, observe how you move people to follow your lead, and then you can give me advise.
I suggest that you alienate others with your "leadership" attitude.
People don't like braggarts unless it's them and those who believe as they believe.
I don't know if life continues after death ... but I know that if other forms of life are not special to a creator, I don't want to be special either.
I haven't asked anyone to follow me.

Strike two.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#441902 May 17, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Thank you, I stand corrected on the dating on when the earliest fragments were written. My mistake.
However, we still have the hearsay aspect. Who wrote the earliest fragments, 60 to 90 years after Jesus' death? Did they really live that long?
The first sentence of your link:
"With the exception of a few sections in the biblical section known as the Prophets, virtually no biblical text is contemporaneous with the events it describes, and every part was subject to revision by later authors."
Thanks again for correcting my mistake.
I don't think the authorship and timeline of the books of the Bible are in the realm of hearsay.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441903 May 17, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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I suppose so, if it is within a person's power to "fulfill" the prophecy one could just for fun make it come "true".
This is hardly what happened in the cases of Biblical prophecies fulfilled.
Jesus would have known of the old prohecies.

Since: Sep 09

Terrace, Canada

#441904 May 17, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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You ask for alot of others.
I ask a lot of questions of all preachers.

If you believe that you are spiritual, do you also believe that (for instance) mosquitoes and the cells that keep our bodies functioning are "spiritual?"

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#441905 May 17, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Thanks for the explanation about the obelisk. That's really cool.
For those that bash the CC, I've been wondering why they don't ask themselves "Why am I bashing the CC and not, say, the Jehovah Witness folks or the mormons? Why am I obsessing about the CC?" and really search themselves for an answer to that.
Perhaps it's the topic of the thread?

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