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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 690324 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441529 May 16, 2013
Regina wrote:
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The works of the Early Church Fathers/Saints (for example) aren't canonical.
He would not be considered a heretic for reading them, lol.
The writings he linked to are private revelation and he's perfectly at liberty to read and consider them.
Why do you mislead others?
In other words Regina, you don't get to pick what non-canonical texts are inspired, and neither does Christianity or its heirarchy.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441530 May 16, 2013
....unless you want to confine Jesus into just a few books.....in which you have.

You've failed in your belief of Jesus.

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Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441532 May 16, 2013
chuck wrote:
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2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
Common sense 101
**why do you have a face with your mouth open?
"Scripture" = Christianity's choice of texts only

Which instead - "scripture" should be categorized as "anything having to do with Jesus"

You've limited "God".
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#441533 May 16, 2013
chuck wrote:
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My oldest is mentally handicap and my youngest son has acknowledged he is a lost sinner, repented, and has received Christ by faith and later was baptized. Reads his bible and goes to youth group at church.
On like your parents with you, I had nothing to do with my son's salvation.
So your son just happened upon a bible one day and you said "don't talk to me, figure it out by yourself"?
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#441534 May 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Name all of what you believe Jesus taught - please list the texts/books you think this would include.
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How is that?
What is the image of "God"?
Where did this image of "God" originate? With whom?
Please list your sources.
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It's not in the canon, so Catholicism doesn't accept it to be a legitimate gospel. You'll have to provide information or sources that agrees with your opinion that it was inspired and useful, whereas the Gospel of Thomas is not.
- my source is from one of teh 13 Apostles, whereas yours is not.
- my source, as your logic holds, is of one of the Apostles, yet it is considered heresy by your team.
Which of the above is more valid and useful than the other? Yours? I don't think so.
You know topix has a character limit in the comment box. There is no way I am going to post all that I think Jesus taught. There is neither time nor space. Whatever Jesus is recorded as saying in the Bible is what He taught. He didn't waste words.

As for the Gospel of Thomas, it contradicts the canonized gospels, eventhough in places it contains things said in the canonized gospels, therefore it is suspect.
For instance, in the Gospel of Thomas, it is written:

"Simon Peter said to them,‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said,‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114).

Now we know this is baloney.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441535 May 16, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Perhaps the word "inexhaustible" should be used instead of "infinite" when refering to Catholic teachings.
God is infinite.
The Church teaches about God.
Therefore the Church teachings about God are inexhaustible.
John 16:12
I (Jesus) have yet many things to say to you: but you cannot bear them now.
John 16:13
[Jesus said:]But when he(the HS), the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth.
...more qualifiers JS?

why do you limit "God"?

Let's say that everything you say is reflective on "God", then why have you aligned with an organization that has limitations on the writings of "God" and the canon.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#441536 May 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I never said he couldn't read them. He has every right to believe as he chooses, it still doesn't change the fact that inspiration is "not dead" with others. Nor does it resolve that others can be inspired and write about "God".
But you and Catholicism dismiss many non-canonical INSPIRED documents as heresy.
Twisting my point around to fit whatever means you want it to, will not change what you continually dismiss - "that the non-canonical texts are inspired". Please stop doing so.
That is not what you said.

You said he would be considered a heretic if he read "non-canonical" works.

I correctly told you that that is not so.

Now you're changing your story.

Why do you mislead others?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441537 May 16, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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I said *public* revelation (revelation meant for the public at large, meaning revelation for everyone universally) stopped when last Apostle died.
Private revelation by the HS happens all the time, and yes, people do have the ability to express God in written form, and yes, even if they are not an Apostle.
People express God through art as well.
Do you have a favorite piece of art?
Again, then GoThomas, Philip, Mary and Judas all should be included, yet they are not, because - MEN CHOSE TO NOT INCLUDE THEM - which blatantly states they chose what "God" was, when in fact, they have no clue on who "God" is, but thought they defined "Him" within the texts chosen.

I'm not sure on how many different ways I need to express this, but if you have not grasped these facts yet, then you are confused about what is "of God" and what is not.

Why do you believe those men chose the correct texts about "God"?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441538 May 16, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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I said *public* revelation (revelation meant for the public at large, meaning revelation for everyone universally) stopped when last Apostle died.
Private revelation by the HS happens all the time, and yes, people do have the ability to express God in written form, and yes, even if they are not an Apostle.
People express God through art as well.
Do you have a favorite piece of art?
WOW - first you state this....
"I said *public* revelation (revelation meant for the public at large, meaning revelation for everyone universally) stopped when last Apostle died."

...and then in the same breath....

"
Private revelation by the HS happens all the time, and yes, people do have the ability to express God in written form, and yes, even if they are not an Apostle."

Covering all the basics for yourself, huh?

Like I said, you are not a Catholic if you have chosen to believe these things you stated.

Welcome to my world.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#441539 May 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I never said he couldn't read them. He has every right to believe as he chooses, it still doesn't change the fact that inspiration is "not dead" with others. Nor does it resolve that others can be inspired and write about "God".
But you and Catholicism dismiss many non-canonical INSPIRED documents as heresy.
Twisting my point around to fit whatever means you want it to, will not change what you continually dismiss - "that the non-canonical texts are inspired". Please stop doing so.
Here is what you said:

Post #441486

"If you accept other teachings, then guess what, you aren't Catholic, but only in your own mind.

In fact, you would be considered a heretic if you utilize non-canonical works.

Just ask Regina and Dan."

This is incorrect. Just admit it and move on.



Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#441540 May 16, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Cool, thanks, it's going into my favs.
Some of those works are non-canonical. The others are either part of Scripture or Tradition. None have been "hidden by Rome".
LOL....

He sounds like another one who believes in "conspiracy Christianity" (thanks, Clay!).
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#441541 May 16, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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After Galileo, the Catholic Church found some reality. They are a great benefactor of science today. So yes, interesting.
But even the pro-science Catholic church doesn't talk about the science of God, just faith in God.
You know why of course. Sadly, many don't.
I think they talk about the science of God, it's just that it doesn't hit the main stream media.
Here's an example:
http://www.catholic.com/video/why-be-catholic...
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#441542 May 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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WOW - first you state this....
"I said *public* revelation (revelation meant for the public at large, meaning revelation for everyone universally) stopped when last Apostle died."
...and then in the same breath....
"
Private revelation by the HS happens all the time, and yes, people do have the ability to express God in written form, and yes, even if they are not an Apostle."
Covering all the basics for yourself, huh?
Like I said, you are not a Catholic if you have chosen to believe these things you stated.
Welcome to my world.
Again, you are incorrect.

Why do you mislead others?
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#441543 May 16, 2013
chuck wrote:
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My oldest is mentally handicap and my youngest son has acknowledged he is a lost sinner, repented, and has received Christ by faith and later was baptized. Reads his bible and goes to youth group at church.
On like your parents with you, I had nothing to do with my son's salvation.
BTW, since you had nothing to do with your son's salvation, you obviously wouldn't have even had a bible available for him to pick up on his own, he probably had to ask the neighbor to borrow one. But then how would he even know to ask for it?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441544 May 16, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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You know topix has a character limit in the comment box. There is no way I am going to post all that I think Jesus taught. There is neither time nor space.
You could've posted links to those teachings, texts, etc.

Your excuse is just that, an excuse not to post.

Which would show you, how you are wrong in what you say you believe.
Just Sayin wrote:
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Whatever Jesus is recorded as saying in the Bible is what He taught. He didn't waste words.
There you go again, limiting it to just the Bible.

Seriously, please stop. Jesus taught much more than what is listed in the Bible.
Just Sayin wrote:
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As for the Gospel of Thomas, it contradicts the canonized gospels, eventhough in places it contains things said in the canonized gospels, therefore it is suspect.
Incorrect, Luke used it for his source, that is why you see the similarities.

More pointedly, GoThomas, considered to be written earlier than GoLuck or GoMatt, thus making it an earlier source, and thus is actually what should be part of the canon.

If it contradicts, as you said, in what way? Please be specific. Especially, since you also agree, that many of the teachings reside within the NT.

You seem to be contradicting your own statements.

Maybe you haven't researched this depth of Jesus' teachings.

*shrugs*
Just Sayin wrote:
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For instance, in the Gospel of Thomas, it is written:
"Simon Peter said to them,‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said,‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven’" (Thomas 114).
Just out of curiosity - what do you think this passage actually means?

If you were to accept his teachings here, you will notice that he is STRICTLY SPEAKING of a the transformation of one's SPIRIT. Males become Spirit, as do women.
Just Sayin wrote:
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Now we know this is baloney.
No it isn't. I call it truth. As should you.

You do want to become like Jesus, right?
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#441545 May 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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...more qualifiers JS?
why do you limit "God"?
Let's say that everything you say is reflective on "God", then why have you aligned with an organization that has limitations on the writings of "God" and the canon.
The CC doesn't put limitations on the writings of God. Vatican Library has over 75,000 books.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441546 May 16, 2013
Regina wrote:
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That is not what you said.
You said he would be considered a heretic if he read "non-canonical" works.
I correctly told you that that is not so.
Now you're changing your story.
Why do you mislead others?
But he is. You have listed me as such, because I use non-canonical texts.

Please stop twisting your theology to fit what you think it should be.

Catholicism only consideres what they choose to be "true" and all non-canonical, though inspired by "God" are not.

Are you going to refute this?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441547 May 16, 2013
Regina wrote:
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That is not what you said.
You said he would be considered a heretic if he read "non-canonical" works.
I correctly told you that that is not so.
Now you're changing your story.
Why do you mislead others?
maybe I should've asked you instead:

Please list all those texts that are approved by the Catholic Church to be "of God".
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#441548 May 16, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Again, then GoThomas, Philip, Mary and Judas all should be included, yet they are not, because - MEN CHOSE TO NOT INCLUDE THEM - which blatantly states they chose what "God" was, when in fact, they have no clue on who "God" is, but thought they defined "Him" within the texts chosen.
I'm not sure on how many different ways I need to express this, but if you have not grasped these facts yet, then you are confused about what is "of God" and what is not.
Why do you believe those men chose the correct texts about "God"?
I believe those men chose correctly because they were qualified to and they were led by the HS.
GoThomas has been shown to contradict the Bible, plus it has been shown to have been written well after Thomas had died.
Doesn't mean it's not an interesting read.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#441549 May 16, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Here is what you said:
Post #441486
"If you accept other teachings, then guess what, you aren't Catholic, but only in your own mind.
In fact, you would be considered a heretic if you utilize non-canonical works.
Just ask Regina and Dan."
This is incorrect. Just admit it and move on.
When you can list the texts that Catholicism approves, that is when I will move on.

Until then, JS is a heretic. Not by my standards, but by Catholicism's.

If you refute this, then the onus would be on you to show that he (or yourself) is.

I'll wait......probably along time, because I know you won't post anything that spoils the "truth" you think exists.

But, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Give it a try - and don't forget, be honest.

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