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OldJG

Rockford, IL

#440546 May 13, 2013
More Roman Catholic bologna...

"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618,(Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761),(also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God..."The Pope alone is called most holy..."Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.

"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.

"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....
"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility",#1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440547 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not satisfied with your response.
Okay. I'll clarify a little for you below.
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't believe a god inspired people of what to write, then why do believe that a god even exists.
Putting the words into my mouth - "If you don't believe a god inspired people of what to write" - is not going to help your position.
- I've never said this. But what I have said, that Christianity limits "God" because those followers think that "God" stopped telling "His" words to others to write.

I have to disagree with this line of thought, because men cannot define what "God" can or cannot do. In addition, I don't limit "God" in that regard. I do believe he can inspire ANYONE. There is no limit to "His" inspiration. Only Christianity and other religions place a finite line int he sand on "His" inspiration.

I don't. Much different from what you want me to say.
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>I know you do because you can, but that answer is simply a cop-out.
NO it isn't, if one is to understand the ability to choose or make a choice. You choose not to believe - okay...you have that right. It's a cop-out to not believe in a spiritual world when there is plenty of evidence to support the world exists.

http://www.bing.com/search...

You just choose to only accept what YOU want to believe. IMO - that is a cop-out.

Sounds a lot like you are trying to pass on, huh?

Self.

Move past the words and understand the meanings.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440548 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your evidence?
See previous post.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440549 May 13, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
It does...only under different "auspices", and in varying degrees...since civilization has come to understand the atrocity and passed laws against it's actions.
I guess - this is true. Disheartening in many ways.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440550 May 13, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
<quoted text>
How about fear under the cloak of love.
This is a more accurate depiction.

One needs only to understand and express love freely - to realize that no religion is required to receive the same.

Wait - there is a "religion" required - just being human.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#440551 May 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
That is one scary cult. I don't know what I would do if my kids got lured into that crap.
I think they love the adrenaline of prophecies and apocalyptic talk. That's what fuels their religion. Its just a blood rush is all.
Hey, did you know our Pope Francis thinks he's Divine? Yeah, I just learned that from Tiger. The Pope thinks he's Jesus Christ!! lol.
unbelievable!
"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,
"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4, In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.

"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land ... He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.

"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross," said Bishop Dunn, who travelled with seven other prelates to Rome. Taken from an article entitled, "Auckland Bishop Says Pope Presides From the Cross" AUCKLAND, New Zealand, SEPT. 20, 2004 -Zenit.org (Article # ZE04092001)

I guess you didn't check the credential, Clay.

Here they are again.
Tiger Lily

New Zealand

#440552 May 13, 2013
http://babylonmysteryreligion.com/Quotes/pope...

Recently (1958) this was stated by Pope John XXIII

"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold:'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth."

(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958).

Catholics still deny that they think they are the only ones who have the truth and are going to Heaven. ARROGANCE.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440553 May 13, 2013
Human Being wrote:
<quoted text>
New Age Spiritual Leader:
No refusal.
I just won't tempt God. I think what you are asking is more along the lines of a person demanding a miracle from God, instead of a petition. The King may hear your petition, but His response(may be silence) may or may not be perceived. I am not in a position to be demanding things from God.
Prayer is a transcendent language. Commonly, we think of it as verbal, some people can meditate, and a few contemplate.
It would be like me describing light to a blind man, for me to "prove" its existence to and "non-believer".
Why do you place qualifiers on life? You shouldn't.

Free will dictates this.

I mean your choices dictate what you do.

Prayer is different to each of us.
- prayer can be meditation
- prayer can be thankfulness
- prayer can be a threat ("I pray that you are not going to do that..."

Prayer can be many things, but not once has it been proven to have been used in a resolution. This experiment can bring many things to fruition, and hopefully encapsulates a connection with "God" - yet you choose not to.

I never said anything about "tempting God", but you sure went right to that extreme immediately. Why? Fear.

Being closed minded is not going to give you the answers for the questions you have yet to ask. Fear brings dismay.

Self.
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#440554 May 13, 2013
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
That is one scary cult. I don't know what I would do if my kids got lured into that crap.
I think they love the adrenaline of prophecies and apocalyptic talk. That's what fuels their religion. Its just a blood rush is all.
Hey, did you know our Pope Francis thinks he's Divine? Yeah, I just learned that from Tiger. The Pope thinks he's Jesus Christ!! lol.
unbelievable!
There's too much scholarship in the Church for these folks. Envy leads to bitterness. Once someone starts using words with more than three letters, they become resentful and out come the fangs. If you respond, you're called mean, lol. Silly goats.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440555 May 13, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not being arrogant at all.
Are you implying that it is wrong for someone to "know" themselves?
That is the first step to understanding and weighing one's faults and attributes. Without doing that, one can not properly or positively relate to one's environment.
Where have I claimed to be any better than you or anyone else?
How do you know what I know about myself or any other subject? You don't! Don't pretend you do...it is a dishonest tactic.
Are you subverting the discussion to the degradation of name calling?
I think this is the misunderstanding that most "followers" have.

They can't be truly honest with themselves - at all levels - in order to see the faults they do have. Thus they are unable to obtain a "clear conscious" in order to help others, show love freely, and express kindness.

An individual can know themselves, and after achieving this step - they can understand their surroundings much better.

This I do agree with. Acquiring this step - a lifelong journey, but one does see the strides they make in a variety of successes, especially when they overcome the personal obstacles they have uncovered.

Self.
Regina

Long Branch, NJ

#440556 May 13, 2013
HERESIES EXPOSED
Seventh-Day Adventism
http://www.biblebelievers.net/cults/SeventhDa...

Hidden Heresies of Seventh-Day Adventists

Seventh Day Adventism (SDA) is a very deceitful false religion. SDAs, more than any other false religion. What they're NOT telling you about is their HIDDEN heresies which they would never put forth to the public. With the help of the beloved Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980), I would like to EXPOSE the truth about this Satanic cult that falsely claims to be "Christian."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religi...
(ooo, not lookin' too good at all!)
Clay

United States

#440557 May 13, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,
"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109
The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4, In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land ... He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.
"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross," said Bishop Dunn, who travelled with seven other prelates to Rome. Taken from an article entitled, "Auckland Bishop Says Pope Presides From the Cross" AUCKLAND, New Zealand, SEPT. 20, 2004 -Zenit.org (Article # ZE04092001)
I guess you didn't check the credential, Clay.
Here they are again.
I don't know what that is. Its not how the Church would word it. You must have scoured the internet looking for something with the word 'Catholic' in it. I don't know what to tell you Tiger. Next time, maybe you ought to ask a Catholic for the definition of the Papacy instead of digging up some article from 1895 and telling everyone the Catholic Church teaches it.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440558 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You've pulled that stunt on me before ... several times.
You preach about some knowledge that others (including me) can't quite grasp because you have it and we don't.
I don't believe you.
I don't think the poster said that at all.

BT is referring to a text that was uncovered in 1947, 1500 years after they were buried. Which also coincides with when men decided to abolish all other texts that did not suit their belief or could cause people to think freely.

BT has also tried to give you a reference point - a simple one with GoThomas - to read it, and study it, and then give it a shot at understanding it - before you automatically think it should not be considered as a viable source of information.

Answer me this - why would anyone only believe in a portion of a character, if they think this character is "God". GoThomas - shows "what is hidden will become manifest."

(5) Jesus says:

(1) "Come to know what is in front of you,
and that which is hidden from you will become clear to you.
(2) For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest."

(6)

(1) His disciples questioned him,(and) they said to him:
" Do you want us to fast?
And how should we pray and give alms?
And what diet should we observe?"

(2) Jesus says: "Do not lie.(3) And do not do what you hate.
(4) For everything is disclosed in view of <the truth>.
(5) For there is nothing hidden that will not become revealed.
(6) And there is nothing covered that will remain undisclosed."

(32) Jesus says:

"A city built upon a high mountain (and) fortified cannot fall, nor can it be hidden."

(33) Jesus says:

(1)"What you will hear with your ear {with the other ear} proclaim from your rooftops.
(2) For no one lights a lamp (and) puts it under a bushel, nor does he put it in a hidden place.
(3) Rather, he puts it on a lampstand, so that everyone who comes in and goes out will see its light."

(39) Jesus says:

(1) "The Pharisees and the scribes have received the keys of knowledge,(but) they have hidden them.
(2) Neither have they entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.
(3) You, however, be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves!"

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

...sounds to me, Jesus was trying to us something, but fortunately, the truth manifests itself. Must've been "God's Plan", huh?

:o)

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#440559 May 13, 2013
Regina wrote:
HERESIES EXPOSED
Seventh-Day Adventism
http://www.biblebelievers.net/cults/SeventhDa...
Hidden Heresies of Seventh-Day Adventists
Seventh Day Adventism (SDA) is a very deceitful false religion. SDAs, more than any other false religion. What they're NOT telling you about is their HIDDEN heresies which they would never put forth to the public. With the help of the beloved Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980), I would like to EXPOSE the truth about this Satanic cult that falsely claims to be "Christian."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religi...
(ooo, not lookin' too good at all!)
OOOOO!!! BOOOGIE-BOOGIE!!

Since: Sep 09

Houston, Canada

#440560 May 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay. I'll clarify a little for you below.
<quoted text>
Putting the words into my mouth - "If you don't believe a god inspired people of what to write" - is not going to help your position.
- I've never said this. But what I have said, that Christianity limits "God" because those followers think that "God" stopped telling "His" words to others to write.
I have to disagree with this line of thought, because men cannot define what "God" can or cannot do. In addition, I don't limit "God" in that regard. I do believe he can inspire ANYONE. There is no limit to "His" inspiration. Only Christianity and other religions place a finite line int he sand on "His" inspiration.
I don't. Much different from what you want me to say.
<quoted text>
NO it isn't, if one is to understand the ability to choose or make a choice. You choose not to believe - okay...you have that right. It's a cop-out to not believe in a spiritual world when there is plenty of evidence to support the world exists.
http://www.bing.com/search...
You just choose to only accept what YOU want to believe. IMO - that is a cop-out.
Sounds a lot like you are trying to pass on, huh?
Self.
Move past the words and understand the meanings.
Do you believe a god created the universe, and if so, why?

Since: Sep 09

Houston, Canada

#440561 May 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think the poster said that at all.
Well, I do. I've been posting with Black Thunder for years, and got the impression on more than one occasion that knowledge is available to those who understand it.
Clay

United States

#440562 May 13, 2013
OldJG wrote:
More Roman Catholic bologna...
"Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth." Christopher Marcellus in Oration addressing Pope Julius II, in Fifth Lateran Council, Session IV (1512), Council Edition. Colm. Agrip. 1618,(Sacrorum Conciliorum, J.D. Mansi (ed.), Vol. 32, col. 761),(also quoted in History of the Councils, vol. XIV, col 109, by Labbe and Cossart).
"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.
"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God..."The Pope alone is called most holy..."Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell.
"Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than.
"So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith, they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope....
"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility",#1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.
lol. you should use your cult pamphlets against the SDAs. You're both steeped in deception.
Should I dig up 19th century news clippings of your religious organization? Wait, you weren't around in the 19th century were you?

say, you ran off again when I asked you to provide Book, Chapter and Verse where Christ commands a Bible be compiled to dictate His Ministry!!
You use the Bible to teach that Its all there is. So where does anyone in the bible say that?

"All Scripture is useful". Yes, I agree. Where does it say its the only thing?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#440563 May 13, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You've pulled that stunt on me before ... several times.
You preach about some knowledge that others (including me) can't quite grasp because you have it and we don't.
I don't believe you.
Really? What stunt?
The only real discussion which you might be referring to(quite some time ago) I can think of is my belief in the ALL. When explained to you, you could not understand it. I attempted to explain the physics of energy and it's relation to environment as the ALL, provided evidence of the physics of it(with scientific links that you could learn from), and you dismissed it as to much for you to research, couldn't be bothered, and you would stick to your opinion.
That was no stunt. It was the best explanation I could give you as to my understanding of actuality.

That being said, there are more learned persons than you and I in many subjects.
You just can't stand to hear it, and character assassination becomes your only option in a discussion where you are inept or willfully ignorant.

Since: Sep 09

Houston, Canada

#440564 May 13, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
(5) Jesus says:
(1) "Come to know what is in front of you,
and that which is hidden from you will become clear to you.
(2) For there is nothing hidden that will not become manifest."
(6)
(1) His disciples questioned him,(and) they said to him:
" Do you want us to fast?
And how should we pray and give alms?
And what diet should we observe?"
(2) Jesus says: "Do not lie.(3) And do not do what you hate.
(4) For everything is disclosed in view of <the truth>.
(5) For there is nothing hidden that will not become revealed.
(6) And there is nothing covered that will remain undisclosed."
(32) Jesus says:
"A city built upon a high mountain (and) fortified cannot fall, nor can it be hidden."
(33) Jesus says:
(1)"What you will hear with your ear {with the other ear} proclaim from your rooftops.
(2) For no one lights a lamp (and) puts it under a bushel, nor does he put it in a hidden place.
(3) Rather, he puts it on a lampstand, so that everyone who comes in and goes out will see its light."
(39) Jesus says:
(1) "The Pharisees and the scribes have received the keys of knowledge,(but) they have hidden them.
(2) Neither have they entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to.
(3) You, however, be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves!"
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm
...sounds to me, Jesus was trying to us something, but fortunately, the truth manifests itself. Must've been "God's Plan", huh?
:o)
I don't believe a man named Jesus existed, much less came to save Christians ... so why would I converse about what Catholics wrote that he said?

Since: Sep 09

Houston, Canada

#440565 May 13, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
There's too much scholarship in the Church for these folks.
Do you perceive only your favorite theologians as scholars ... or do you perceive theologians in all other religions as scholars?

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