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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 683812 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440616 May 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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If you are to review these teachings, one should also include the whole context and not just a portion of the teaching.
(14) Jesus said to them:
(1)‘If you fast, you will bring forth sin for yourselves.
(2) And if you pray, you will be condemned.
(3) And if you give alms, you will do harm to your spirits.
(4) And if you go into any land and wander from place to place,(and) if they take you in,
(then) eat what they will set before you. Heal the sick among them!
(5) For what goes into your mouth will not defile you.
Rather, what comes out of your mouth will defile you."
....meaning if you were to put yourself into the position of Jesus - doing the instructing - contemplate this for a moment:
- What will fasting help with?
+ this is an action - a choice - one makes. But why? because other men told them too?
- How will praying help another? Shoot - not one person on this "religous" forum will even venture to test the theory that it works, and participate in an experiment with me. Do you have proof praying works?
+ Like Jesus implies - maybe one should pray for oneself and be watchful for what one puts forth.
If you understand this, all of the above actions are produced by the Self - whether for someone else or for yourself, but in the end, it is what we "produce" (speak, action, etc) is what defines us.
Self.
When one prays to God, He has 1 of 3 answers: yes, no, or not now. He is not a vending machine. It doesn't work that way.

Also, Jesus taught the Apostles to deny themselves. And Paul said that it wasn't himself that lived but Christ who lived in him.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440617 May 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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First you will need to define the term "the Church".
And since you haven't yet, you really can determine what or what is not immortal.
As of today, there isn't one person on this planet whom is immortal.
Maybe you are reading more into the poster's statement than required.
I'm asking where the poster who mentioned that the Catholic Church "teaches natural immortality" got this idea.

All the parsing you require of me here is the burden of the poster to whom I replied. I didn't mention "natural" nor immortality".
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440618 May 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Those were clearly snippets that someone isolated. Ignoring everything before and after. They were written a 150 yrs ago. Your team uses it for deception and you know it.
....and none doctrinal.

It always astounds me how adept these folk are and dredging the internet for minutiae such as this, but they somehow can't manage to find the online Catechism (which actually IS what the Church teaches).

Maybe not so astounding on second thought. Why find the truth on what the Church teaches when your purpose is to promulgate a lie?
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#440619 May 14, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I can't possibly keep up to which of you are the best story-tellers.
All the preaching about who owns truth and who is lying is mind-boggling in its arrogance.
Excellent. Like how does anyone keep up with someone else's delusion?

It keeps changing, although Catholics are in denial on this.

One day the Catholic church teaches with perfect authority that all Protestants will go to Hell.

The next day, we are told "not so." Protestants can go to Heaven maybe.

Yet their "perfect teachings" of over 400 years are well documented in both word and deed. We are then told that their "perfect teachings" can change and still remain "perfect."

This is the essence of a delusion. Nowhere else in their lives can something be both perfect and imperfect. This can only occur in a delusion.

Try to keep up.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440620 May 14, 2013
marge wrote:
3:16 All scripture is inspired of God - The Spirit of God not only once inspired those who wrote it, but continually inspires, supernaturally assists, those that read it with earnest prayer. Hence it is so profitable for doctrine, for instruction of the ignorant, for the reproof or conviction of them that are in error or sin, for the correction or amendment of whatever is amiss, and for instructing or training up the children of God in all righteousness.
"Profitable"?

Yes.

Sufficient? No.

If I'm driving a car, it is profitable for me to have a drivers license. It's not sufficient, as I also need a car and a set of keys.
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AOL

#440621 May 14, 2013
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100% PROOF Pope Francis is ANTICHRIST_______



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Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440622 May 14, 2013
Michael wrote:
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Just Saying says.........God has gradually revealed Himself to us.
MICHAEL says..........How so?
If Muslims claim Allah has gradually revealed himself to us, would you believe that Just Sayin?
Firstly, God reveals somethin about Him through His creation. Secondly, it has been thoroughly shown that mankind at the core is religious. Mankind searches for a connection with their Creator/Cosmos/HigherPower. Creation stories are abundant in indigenous tribes all over the globe. All the world's religions have been or are mankind's efforts to understand who they are in relation to that Higher Power (or powers) that they sense to exist.
Jesus' Incarnation has been seen throughout history in types and shadows. Abraham and Isaac, for one, in the OT. Moses is another. And you have similar stories in many different religions and cultures.
God the Father revealed Himself in the OT times even while preparing His people for the revealing of God the Son (Jesus), and God the Son Ascended into heaven so that God the Holy Spirit might be revealed.

No one culture or religion understands God completely of course. That is impossible. Some naturally would have a better understanding than others.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440623 May 14, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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These are your popes not mine. Make all the excuses you want to make but truth is truth.
Here are the verses for you Cly....
II Timothy 3:16-17, 16 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
You said Cly, quote, ""All Scripture is useful". Yes, I agree. Where does it say its the only thing?" End quote Cly.
Where does the Bible say there is another thing and what is the other thing, Cly?
Here are a few:

I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you. 1 Corinthians 11:2

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. John 21:25

I had much to write you, but I would rather not write with pen and ink; I hope to see you soon, and we will talk together face to face.[3 John 13-14]

...what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.[2 Tim. 2:2]

So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us (Apostles), either by word of mouth (oral) or by letter (Epistle).[2 Thess. 2:15]

First of all you must understand this, that no prophesy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.[2 Peter 1:20-21]

...the household of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.[1 Tim. 3:15]
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440624 May 14, 2013
OldJG wrote:
More Roman Catholic mumbo jumbo....
"Like two sacred rivers flowing from paradaise, the Bible and divine tradition contain the word of God, the precious gems of revealed truths. Though these two divine streams are in themselves, on acount of their divine origin, of equal sacredness, and are both full of revealed truths, still of the two, tradition is to us more clear and safe." Catholic Belief, by Joseph Faa di Bruno, p 45.
The Bible supports this.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#440625 May 14, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Nope OldG, I don't see where Christ taught 'Bible Alone' as the sole source of authority on His Ministry. You've provided nothing.
The writings from 150 yrs ago you dug up, are manipulated to cast the Catholic Church in a bad light. This is classic 18th and 19th century protestant methods. You isolated lines and put them on your pamphlets for distribution to the neighbors. its called deception Mr. G, and that's the only way you guys can have a religion. I know the Holy Spirit doesn't use deception. So get rid of whatever Spirit is causing you to be deceitful.
Clay , you are blind is true.
The truth is the Bible is all about Jesus from Genesis to Revelations.
The Bible is not about your Catholic Church or a Protestant church.
Its all about Jesus .
Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God; showing us the love of God through the example of how He lived His life.
Even onto death, Jesus proved God's love for all people.
How many times did Jesus refer to the O.T. scriptures when He sat teaching not only the disciples but also the multitudes of people.
Some people truly understood what Jesus was saying , others didn't.
Some tried to control what was being said and others, felt if they couldn't control the people they would join them but how to make a profit religion's .
The Romans and the Jews who worked together to crucify Christ.
As many as the Romans killed who believed in Jesus and "THE WAY"
Thousands more roses up so the Romans decided to allow their faith, but it was mingled with pagan religions corruption just as Peter and Paul prophesied entered the church.
It became the Roman Catholic Church.
People were not free to worship the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob,
The Roman Catholic Church made sure of that, instead of destroying the idols that the romans worshipped, they changes the names on them . To What the Catholic church worship as Saints today.
The statue they claim is Mary , is the statue of the Pagan sun goddess, blood offerings were given to some of the roman idols before they were give the name of the saints.
As much as I am sure you Love God Clay, I am just as sure and know without a doubt you are sitting in a church with a false prophet, and false teachings, that you are following as truth.
I am not a lover of Luther; I am however a lover of God, and His truth taught by Jesus , and what I read in the bible.
Even if all Jesus taught is not in the Bible, the catholic teaching must agree with what is in the bible and not contradict, what the bible says, and the Catholic doctrine does just that.
The bible says we are not to consult the dead, bow to idols, and to pray to God allow, and have no other gods before Almighty God.
The catholic church does all of the above , teaching the opposite
of what god says 'THOU SHALL NOT DO'.
there IS ONLY ONE WAY TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD; IT'S THOUGH JESUS NOT THE CATHOIC CHURCH. SORRY CLAY THAT IS THE TRUTH.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440626 May 14, 2013
marge wrote:
5) The eighth admonition which is most precious: a pastor must be wise by the word of God alone: in which we have perfectly delivered to us, whatever pertains to discerning, knowing and establishing true opinions, and to prove which opinions are false: and furthermore, to correct evil manners, and to establish good.
First of all you must understand this, that no prophesy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.[2 Peter 1:20-21]
Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440627 May 14, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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When???
I don't see him helping starving babies or adults, or those who beg for mercy as they suffer in long-term care facilities.
I don't see him caring about the wild animals that die by fang, sharp teeth, claws and venom.
I don't see him caring about the tame animals that are horribly abused by humans that take them in when they are tiny and cute and then beat them sometimes to death when they are older.
I don't see him anywhere where he is needed.
I only see that you believe he will come to save YOU and reject other humans.
Of course you don't see God caring. Your anger is blinding you.

And I don't believe that God will come to save ME and reject other humans, June. I don't believe God rejects anyone. People, however, are free to reject God.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440628 May 14, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Excellent. Like how does anyone keep up with someone else's delusion?
It keeps changing, although Catholics are in denial on this.
One day the Catholic church teaches with perfect authority that all Protestants will go to Hell.
The next day, we are told "not so." Protestants can go to Heaven maybe.
Yet their "perfect teachings" of over 400 years are well documented in both word and deed. We are then told that their "perfect teachings" can change and still remain "perfect."
This is the essence of a delusion. Nowhere else in their lives can something be both perfect and imperfect. This can only occur in a delusion.
Try to keep up.
And you do the same, please.

The Church has always taught of salvation only through the Church. They now teach that it is POSSIBLE that others may attain Heaven (if they're ignorant of the Gospel of Christ) but they have always mainained that salvation is through the Church.

The disposition of protestants, etc. to Hell wasn't doctrinal.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440629 May 14, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Clay , you are blind is true.
The truth is the Bible is all about Jesus from Genesis to Revelations.
The Bible is not about your Catholic Church or a Protestant church.
Its all about Jesus .
Jesus came preaching the Kingdom of God; showing us the love of God through the example of how He lived His life.
Even onto death, Jesus proved God's love for all people.
How many times did Jesus refer to the O.T. scriptures when He sat teaching not only the disciples but also the multitudes of people.
Some people truly understood what Jesus was saying , others didn't.
Some tried to control what was being said and others, felt if they couldn't control the people they would join them but how to make a profit religion's .
The Romans and the Jews who worked together to crucify Christ.
As many as the Romans killed who believed in Jesus and "THE WAY"
Thousands more roses up so the Romans decided to allow their faith, but it was mingled with pagan religions corruption just as Peter and Paul prophesied entered the church.
It became the Roman Catholic Church.
People were not free to worship the God of Abraham, Moses, Jacob,
The Roman Catholic Church made sure of that, instead of destroying the idols that the romans worshipped, they changes the names on them . To What the Catholic church worship as Saints today.
The statue they claim is Mary , is the statue of the Pagan sun goddess, blood offerings were given to some of the roman idols before they were give the name of the saints.
As much as I am sure you Love God Clay, I am just as sure and know without a doubt you are sitting in a church with a false prophet, and false teachings, that you are following as truth.
I am not a lover of Luther; I am however a lover of God, and His truth taught by Jesus , and what I read in the bible.
Even if all Jesus taught is not in the Bible, the catholic teaching must agree with what is in the bible and not contradict, what the bible says, and the Catholic doctrine does just that.
The bible says we are not to consult the dead, bow to idols, and to pray to God allow, and have no other gods before Almighty God.
The catholic church does all of the above , teaching the opposite
of what god says 'THOU SHALL NOT DO'.
there IS ONLY ONE WAY TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD; IT'S THOUGH JESUS NOT THE CATHOIC CHURCH. SORRY CLAY THAT IS THE TRUTH.
LTM-

Why chastise Clay and the Catholic Church for anything RE: the Bible?

You don't even believe what the Bible tells us about Jesus. Earlier this week you insisted that Christ didn't drink wine nor create wine at Cana, nor do you believe He is present in the Eucharist, despite "black letter" scripture saying just those things.
Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440630 May 14, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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What has "God" revealed to you that would allow you to "know many things about Him"?
Why hasn't "He" did this for the rest of mankind - if "His" goal is to indeed, have everyone follow "Him"?
Why hasn't all other religions been disbanded because of what "He revealed to you"?
I'd figure, if you have had miraculous "God" induced help, I'd think you would be all over the world preaching this message and showing the video proof that "He" assisted you in a good way.
I want this "good" too.
Why are you a sole individual and others have not been included?
Are you afraid "God" won't like you doing that - for "Him"?
Your statement seems to be missing some critical information for others.
Please clarify.
Thanks!
Why do you and June insist that others think that God only "favors" them? What God has revealed about Himself is for everyone.
Starting with these assumptions:
1. There is a Creator, and
2. That Creator is Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Omnipresent.
Then certain things follow.

However, if you want to start with these assumptions:
1. There is no God, and
2. He is Evil

Then you have something entirely different.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#440631 May 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are a few:
I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you. 1 Corinthians 11:2
But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. John 21:25
I had much to write you, but I would rather not write with pen and ink; I hope to see you soon, and we will talk together face to face.[3 John 13-14]
...what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.[2 Tim. 2:2]
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us (Apostles), either by word of mouth (oral) or by letter (Epistle).[2 Thess. 2:15]
First of all you must understand this, that no prophesy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.[2 Peter 1:20-21]
...the household of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.[1 Tim. 3:15]
Golly, this one found a contradiction in the Bible. Shocker!

At the same time, the Bible says it is complete -- "that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

And then it says no, tradition is also needed.

Maybe God did this so mankind will argue and kill each other over who is correct.

This is God's joke is on humanity, because even after centuries of debate, arguing, torture, and many, many wars, we still have no definitive answer.

Can anyone find any other contradictions?

Of course they can. It's a delusion, so contradictions abound. That's the meal ticket for clergy.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#440632 May 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Here are a few:
I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you. 1 Corinthians 11:2
But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. John 21:25
I had much to write you, but I would rather not write with pen and ink; I hope to see you soon, and we will talk together face to face.[3 John 13-14]
...what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.[2 Tim. 2:2]
So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us (Apostles), either by word of mouth (oral) or by letter (Epistle).[2 Thess. 2:15]
First of all you must understand this, that no prophesy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.[2 Peter 1:20-21]
...the household of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.[1 Tim. 3:15]
2 Peter 1

19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto you do well that you take heed, as to a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Knowing this first - Considering this as a first principle, that no prophecy of the Scripture, whether that referred to above, or any other, is of any private interpretation - proceeds from the prophet's own knowledge or invention, or was the offspring of calculation or conjecture. The word &#949;&#960;&#953; &#955;&#965;&#963; &#953;&#962; signifies also impetus, impulse; and probably this is the best sense here; not by the mere private impulse of his own mind.

Which means the prophets didn't give their own private interpretation . God gave it to them through the Holy Spirit.
They didn't think it up in their own heads.
That is what that scripture means Dan.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#440633 May 14, 2013
Religion A Delusion wrote:
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Golly, this one found a contradiction in the Bible. Shocker!
At the same time, the Bible says it is complete -- "that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
And then it says no, tradition is also needed.
Maybe God did this so mankind will argue and kill each other over who is correct.
This is God's joke is on humanity, because even after centuries of debate, arguing, torture, and many, many wars, we still have no definitive answer.
Can anyone find any other contradictions?
Of course they can. It's a delusion, so contradictions abound. That's the meal ticket for clergy.
Religion is essentially a quest for truth.

I'm not sure why you work so hard to disabuse people of an effort you yourself would (presumably) undertake.
Just Sayin

Mount Juliet, TN

#440634 May 14, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
Catholics worship a Quadune.
"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,
"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109
The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4, In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.
"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land ... He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.
"It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross," said Bishop Dunn, who travelled with seven other prelates to Rome. Taken from an article entitled, "Auckland Bishop Says Pope Presides From the Cross" AUCKLAND, New Zealand, SEPT. 20, 2004 -Zenit.org (Article # ZE04092001)
Whenever someone insists they know the beliefs of someone else (when they really don't) and then spends countless hours condemning them for believing those things, it's a sure sign that they don't have any substantial beliefs of their own.
Religion A Delusion

Titusville, FL

#440635 May 14, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you and June insist that others think that God only "favors" them? What God has revealed about Himself is for everyone.
Starting with these assumptions:
1. There is a Creator, and
2. That Creator is Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Omnipresent.
Then certain things follow.
However, if you want to start with these assumptions:

Then you have something entirely different.
Brilliant! 1. There is no God, and 2. He is Evil.

Only in a delusion does that "logic" work.

As for the "Creator is Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Omnipresent."

Why did most of Asia, Africa, and all of the Americas miss out on this "omnipresent god" for many centuries?

Daddy-god send his son-god to suffer and die "for mankind," but no contemporary eyewitness accounts survive, and no way to spread the message to all of mankind equally for almost 2000 years.

Heck, it took over 300 years after the fact before the first groups of Christians stopped killing each other over the supposed meaning of it all.

Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Omnipresent?

Nope, just delusional.

Let us pray....

"Dear Jesus, please cure all cancer in mankind tomorrow. We ask in your name as we were taught by you many times. Amen."

Anything yet from Mr. Omnibenevolent?

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