Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439690 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Jesus and the Apostles drank wine at the Last Supper (and other times recorded in Scripture).
Your sect would probably bar them from the ministry due to that.
Dan Jesus drank unfermented wine. IF THEY DRANK FERMENTED WINE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DRUNK ALL THE TIME.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439691 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Dan Jesus drank unfermented wine. IF THEY DRANK FERMENTED WINE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DRUNK ALL THE TIME.
Scripture doesn't support your statement.

Even gotquestions.org thinks I'm right and you're wrong, and that's the "go-to" protestant site for bible questions. You all run them out on this board all the time.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439692 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Dan Jesus drank unfermented wine. IF THEY DRANK FERMENTED WINE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN DRUNK ALL THE TIME.
I didn't say they drank it "all the time".

I said they drank it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439693 May 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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Your sarcasm changes not the fact:
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Catholic priests drink wine every time they say mass...and they say mass often...to the point that many become alcoholics...
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Some priests are alcoholics.

This is a revelation to......anyone?

Some of everyone are alcoholics.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439694 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus and the Apostles drank wine at the Last Supper (and other times recorded in Scripture).
Your sect would probably bar them from the ministry due to that.
Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying:‘Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses”(Leviticus 10:8-11).“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted”(Proverbs 31:4-5).

After citing these Bible passages Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer, authors of God is for the Alcoholic, continue:

“Priests were ordered not to drink during their course in the Temple so they could tell the difference between the good and the bad. Kings and princes were not to drink for the same reason. They were to abstain from drinking so they could tell the difference between right and wrong and be fair in their judgment of the people who came before them.

“The book of Revelation states that those who have accepted Christ as Savior are kings and priests:‘[…and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.]*’(Revelation 1: 5-6)

“The apostle Peter also says that we became kings and priests. We are members of a royal family.‘[But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light…]*’(1 Peter 2:9)

“Because of our salvation through faith in Christ we have become sons, the adopted sons of the King. As such we are members of the King’s family, and the orders that went out to the kings and priests apply to us. We are not to drink so that we will have clear judgment and discernment as God’s representatives in this world.

‘As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.’ Jesus told His disciples (John 20:21b). As Christians we are sent to witness, to teach the people. This is the responsibility of the believer.‘[Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,]*’ the Lord Jesus Christ instructed His disciples (Matthew 28:19). In order to teach we must know the difference between right and wrong.

Since: Jun 10

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#439695 May 10, 2013
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OldJG wrote:
Roman Catholics pray to Mary, to their saints and here is a prayer, found in the Breviary for the 14th of September, addressed to the cross as if it were living: "O cross, more splendid than the stars, illustrious throughout the World, much beloved by men, more holy than all things, who alone was worthy to bear the treasure of the world, bearing sweet wood, sweet nails, a sweet burden, save this present multitude assembled this day in thy praise."
As for prayers to Mary, in a book published by the Excelsior Publishing House, New York, 1891, and which book is entitled Glories of Mary and which was approved by the Archbishop of New York, on page 84 we read, "Sinners receive pardon only through the intercession of Mary." In the rosary, Catholics call on our Father some fourteen times and upon Mary some fifty-three times. The Bible teaches that "... whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him" (Colossians 3:17).
Nowhere in God's Word are we taught to pray unto anyone other than God, and nowhere in His Word are we taught to pray through anyone other than Christ, who said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).
Undeniable truth that is pathetic......but the really sad thing is....Catholics accept this slop....live by it....and, unless a miracle happens to each individual, they will stay on the broad way, that leads to their destruction.......

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#439696 May 10, 2013
693
Dan wrote:
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Some priests are alcoholics.
This is a revelation to......anyone?
Some of everyone are alcoholics.
The point being, which you naturally missed, is, if they were drinking the actual blood of Christ, as, they erroneously claim when they say mass, and not wine, they would not become alcoholics!!!!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439697 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying:‘Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses”(Leviticus 10:8-11).“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted”(Proverbs 31:4-5).
After citing these Bible passages Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer, authors of God is for the Alcoholic, continue:
“Priests were ordered not to drink during their course in the Temple so they could tell the difference between the good and the bad. Kings and princes were not to drink for the same reason. They were to abstain from drinking so they could tell the difference between right and wrong and be fair in their judgment of the people who came before them.
“The book of Revelation states that those who have accepted Christ as Savior are kings and priests:‘[…and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.]*’(Revelation 1: 5-6)
“The apostle Peter also says that we became kings and priests. We are members of a royal family.‘[But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light…]*’(1 Peter 2:9)
“Because of our salvation through faith in Christ we have become sons, the adopted sons of the King. As such we are members of the King’s family, and the orders that went out to the kings and priests apply to us. We are not to drink so that we will have clear judgment and discernment as God’s representatives in this world.
‘As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.’ Jesus told His disciples (John 20:21b). As Christians we are sent to witness, to teach the people. This is the responsibility of the believer.‘[Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,]*’ the Lord Jesus Christ instructed His disciples (Matthew 28:19). In order to teach we must know the difference between right and wrong.
Riveting, but I believe the subject was Jesus and the operative source for information on Him would be the Bible, rather than Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer's estimable efforts respective to God and alcoholics.

You ARE still all about Jesus and the Bible, yes? You seldom fail to remind us of your disposition in this regard.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439698 May 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
679
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Undeniable truth that is pathetic......but the really sad thing is....Catholics accept this slop....live by it....and, unless a miracle happens to each individual, they will stay on the broad way, that leads to their destruction.......
Fear not-we seldom accept "slop" such as on offer from OldJG's post.

He's simply trotting out the "greatest hits" routine until he figures out how to respond to my OSAS questions.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439699 May 10, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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The point being, which you naturally missed, is, if they were drinking the actual blood of Christ, as, they erroneously claim when they say mass, and not wine, they would not become alcoholics!!!!!
Yeah. Good call. How on earth did I miss your point?

Wine nor any other alcoholic beverage isn't available anywhere but Mass, and the priest has no way to get any booze because they're locked up in the rectory until Mass time and sent back there immediately afterward.

Throw the Vatican an e-mail on that. You're a problem solver, Ox.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439700 May 10, 2013
OldJG wrote:
OldJG wrote:
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"Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14)
We are being made holy.....we are not holy. His sacrifice, Jesus, made us perfect in the eyes of God. Can we sin? In this fleshly body we will ALL continue to sin.
Now let me ask you a question. You seem to disagree with once saved always saved, correct? If a born again believer in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior can lose their salvation how can they lose it? If they lose their salvation how can they be saved again? When does a born again believer receive eternal life? Provide the name of one, just one, person who was indeed saved and then lost their salvation. The words "LOST THEIR SALVATION" need to be mentioned in any verse you might use from the Bible. LOST THEIR SALVATION.....who lost their salvation??????
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You said, quote, "unrepentant sin". End quote.
So it is unrepentant sin that annuls salvation. Is this correct? You speak of sin as tho you are an expert on the subject. Let me ask, is it possible to sin and not know you have sinned?
Come on danny boy, you can do better than that. Your opinion is not enough evidence. Where is a name or a verse with a name in it stating this person LOST THEIR SALVATION? Where is your sting danny? It seems you are nothing more than a bee whose stinger has been removed. Or perhaps a toothless tiger? Take your pick.
Speaking of toothless tiger, would you kindly pass along the Bible verse that states "once saved, always saved"?

To follow the exact wording of your rubric to me, "The words "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED" need to be mentioned in any verse you might use from the Bible.

Get to work, "toothless"!
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439701 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Riveting, but I believe the subject was Jesus and the operative source for information on Him would be the Bible, rather than Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer's estimable efforts respective to God and alcoholics.
You ARE still all about Jesus and the Bible, yes? You seldom fail to remind us of your disposition in this regard.
Yes I am still all about Jesus , and the Holy Scriptures

Because it is all about Jesus, what is wrong with you.
who else is it about Dan.
I took the scripture from the Bible Dan! did you read them.
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439702 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Riveting, but I believe the subject was Jesus and the operative source for information on Him would be the Bible, rather than Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer's estimable efforts respective to God and alcoholics.
You ARE still all about Jesus and the Bible, yes? You seldom fail to remind us of your disposition in this regard.
This is from the Bible the Lord speaking Dan:

Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying:‘Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses”(Leviticus 10:8-11).“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted”(Proverbs 31:4-5).
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439703 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Riveting, but I believe the subject was Jesus and the operative source for information on Him would be the Bible, rather than Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer's estimable efforts respective to God and alcoholics.
You ARE still all about Jesus and the Bible, yes? You seldom fail to remind us of your disposition in this regard.
this is from whom you claim to be the first Pope Dan from the Bible
(1 Peter 2:9)
“Because of our salvation through faith in Christ we have become sons, the adopted sons of the King. As such we are members of the King’s family, and the orders that went out to the kings and priests apply to us. We are not to drink so that we will have clear judgment and discernment as God’s representatives in this world.
‘As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.’ Jesus told His disciples (John 20:21b). As Christians we are sent to witness, to teach the people. This is the responsibility of the believer.‘[Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,]*’ the Lord Jesus Christ instructed His disciples (Matthew 28:19). In order to teach we must know the difference between right and wrong.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439704 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
This is from the Bible the Lord speaking Dan:
Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying:‘Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses”(Leviticus 10:8-11).“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted”(Proverbs 31:4-5).
Why skip the operative verses?

The NT stuff-you know, the part WITH Jesus in it.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439705 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Yes I am still all about Jesus , and the Holy Scriptures
Because it is all about Jesus, what is wrong with you.
who else is it about Dan.
I took the scripture from the Bible Dan! did you read them.
Then who gives a damn about what Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer have to say about it?

I don't and you shouldn't.

Noted that you have studiously avoided any NT on this. Why?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439706 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
This is from the Bible the Lord speaking Dan:
Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying:‘Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean, and that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses”(Leviticus 10:8-11).“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink; lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted”(Proverbs 31:4-5).
The subject, again, was Jesus and his partaking of wine and having performed the Miracle at Cana, where He changed water into wine.

Why keep pasting up OT admonitions to Aaron? We weren't speaking of Aaron.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439707 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
this is from whom you claim to be the first Pope Dan from the Bible
(1 Peter 2:9)
“Because of our salvation through faith in Christ we have become sons, the adopted sons of the King. As such we are members of the King’s family, and the orders that went out to the kings and priests apply to us. We are not to drink so that we will have clear judgment and discernment as God’s representatives in this world.
‘As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.’ Jesus told His disciples (John 20:21b). As Christians we are sent to witness, to teach the people. This is the responsibility of the believer.‘[Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,]*’ the Lord Jesus Christ instructed His disciples (Matthew 28:19). In order to teach we must know the difference between right and wrong.
Jesus and the Apostles drank wine at the Last Supper, to name but one occasion.

Now what?
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#439708 May 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Riveting, but I believe the subject was Jesus and the operative source for information on Him would be the Bible, rather than Jerry Dunn and Bernard Palmer's estimable efforts respective to God and alcoholics.
You ARE still all about Jesus and the Bible, yes? You seldom fail to remind us of your disposition in this regard.
“Priests were ordered not to drink during their course in the Temple so they could tell the difference between the good and the bad. Kings and princes were not to drink for the same reason. They were to abstain from drinking so they could tell the difference between right and wrong and be fair in their judgment of the people who came before them
Your priest break the laws of God when they drink fermented wine
Dan.
That is from the Bible Gods Holy Word.
The Bible is all about Jesus, salvation is because of Jesus, He is coming back for a Holy Pure Bride, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ . that isn't the catholic church Dan. Not even close.

You are in denial Dan.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#439709 May 10, 2013
LTM wrote:
<quoted text>
this is from whom you claim to be the first Pope Dan from the Bible
(1 Peter 2:9)
“Because of our salvation through faith in Christ we have become sons, the adopted sons of the King. As such we are members of the King’s family, and the orders that went out to the kings and priests apply to us. We are not to drink so that we will have clear judgment and discernment as God’s representatives in this world.
‘As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.’ Jesus told His disciples (John 20:21b). As Christians we are sent to witness, to teach the people. This is the responsibility of the believer.‘[Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,]*’ the Lord Jesus Christ instructed His disciples (Matthew 28:19). In order to teach we must know the difference between right and wrong.
Peter is now Jesus?

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