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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 690591 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#439845 May 11, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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Logic says you are so full of sh!t.
Good call.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439846 May 11, 2013
Michael wrote:
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What religion is God? God has no religion..........religions are all man made.
Amen Michael
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439847 May 11, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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More inconvenient truth from LTM's favorite website...
Question: "Did Jesus change the water into wine or grape juice?"
Answer: John chapter 2 records Jesus performing a miracle at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. At the wedding, the hosts ran out of wine. Jesus' mother, Mary, asks Jesus to intervene, and He does so, reluctantly. Jesus has the servants bring six jars filled with water and then instructs the servants to give it to the overseer of the celebration. The water miraculously turns into wine, and the overseer declares that it was the best wine he had ever tasted. In this account, Jesus performed an amazing miracle, actually altering the molecular composition of the water, changing it into wine. The point of the account is summarized in John 2:11, "He thus revealed His glory, and His disciples put their faith in Him." Usually, though, when this passage is studied, a side issue becomes the main issue. Did Jesus transform the water into wine (fermented, alcoholic) or into grape juice (non-alcoholic)?
Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice.
Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. Some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs,“Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages,“Yes, come buy wine and milk…” From these and other Scriptures, it is clear that alcohol itself is not inherently sinful. Rather, it is the abuse of alcohol, drunkenness and/or addiction, that is sinful (Ephesians 5:18; Proverbs 23:29-35; 1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Therefore, it would not have been a sin for Jesus to create a drink that contained alcohol.
cont.
I do not agree with this Anthony that is why I didn't post it.
It is wrong.
Drinking a sinful substains like alcohol is wrong. And Jesus would not have drank it.
You can not believe one part of the bible and not another.
God warn Noah not to get drunk on the fruit of the vine.
The new wine is wine that has not been fermented (left to rot)
To disgust this any longer with you or Dan is fruit less you common sense does not prevail.
To get up and take communion from a priest that is intoxicated,(drunk) which I have seen some tipsy Priest all red face and very flushed is not bringing glory to God.
Catholic's believe that wine is the blood of Jesus, I can assure you Jesus' blood was not full of alcohol.
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#439848 May 11, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
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What is with your obsession with alcoholism? Are you trying to make some kind of confession? Drink up buddy. That's all you got left to do in your life, that and bash the CC. So sad for you.
You are grasping desperately, pathetically at straws, dude!
LOL.....
Clay

Lawrence, MA

#439849 May 11, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I do not agree with this Anthony that is why I didn't post it.
It is wrong.
Drinking a sinful substains like alcohol is wrong. And Jesus would not have drank it.
You can not believe one part of the bible and not another.
God warn Noah not to get drunk on the fruit of the vine.
The new wine is wine that has not been fermented (left to rot)
To disgust this any longer with you or Dan is fruit less you common sense does not prevail.
To get up and take communion from a priest that is intoxicated,(drunk) which I have seen some tipsy Priest all red face and very flushed is not bringing glory to God.
Catholic's believe that wine is the blood of Jesus, I can assure you Jesus' blood was not full of alcohol.
LTM, you've been proven wrong. Undeniably, unequivocally, irrefutablly, without question, wrong. Why on Earth would you act like you still have a case?
Sometimes I don't think you guys are really sola scripturist..
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#439850 May 11, 2013
LTM wrote:
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I do not agree with this Anthony that is why I didn't post it.
It is wrong.
Drinking a sinful substains like alcohol is wrong. And Jesus would not have drank it.
You can not believe one part of the bible and not another.
God warn Noah not to get drunk on the fruit of the vine.
The new wine is wine that has not been fermented (left to rot)
To disgust this any longer with you or Dan is fruit less you common sense does not prevail.
To get up and take communion from a priest that is intoxicated,(drunk) which I have seen some tipsy Priest all red face and very flushed is not bringing glory to God.
Catholic's believe that wine is the blood of Jesus, I can assure you Jesus' blood was not full of alcohol.
Always taking the pot shots at priests LTM. You are wrong. And gotquestions.org , your favorite website says you're wrong.

"Those who oppose the drinking of alcohol, in any quantity, argue that Jesus would not have turned the water into wine, as He would have been promoting the consumption of a substance that is tainted by sin. In this understanding, alcohol itself is inherently sinful, and consumption of alcohol in any quantity is sin. That is not a biblical understanding, however. "

"The belief that Jesus created alcoholic wine is definitely more in agreement with the context and the definition/usage of oinos. The primary reasons for interpreting it as grape juice, that alcohol is inherently sinful or that the creation of alcohol would have been encouraging drunkenness, are unbiblical and invalid. There is simply no good biblical reason to understand John 2 as anything other than Jesus performing an amazing miracle by turning water into real wine. Is drunkenness sinful? Absolutely! Is addiction sinful? Definitely. Would Jesus turning the water into alcoholic wine in any way violate God's standards regarding the consumption of alcohol? Absolutely not!"

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine....
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439851 May 11, 2013
The word wine in the Bible is a generic term; sometimes it means grape juice; sometimes it means alcoholic beverages. The following verses prove that the word “wine” can mean fresh grape juice, the fruit of the vine: De. 11:14; 2 Ch. 31:5; Ne. 13:15; Pr. 3:10; Is. 16:10; 65:8; 1 Ti. 5:23.

2. The context will always show when “wine” refers to alcoholic beverages. In such cases, God discusses the bad effects of it and warns against it. An example would be Gen. 9, Noah’s experience after the Flood. Verse 21,“and he drank of the wine, and was drunken,” clearly refers to alcoholic beverage. Prov. 20:1 speaks of the same thing when it warns us,“Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.” Alcoholic wine is deceptive; but how? In the very way that people are advocating today, by saying that drinking a little bit will not hurt. Everyone admits that drinking too much is bad; even the liquor companies tell us not to drive and drink, but they insist that a small amount is all right. However, that is the very thing that is deceptive. Who knows how little to drink? Experts tell us that each person is different. It takes an ounce to affect one, while more is necessary for another. The same person will react to alcohol differently, depending on the amount of food he has had, among other things. So, the idea that “a little bit won’t hurt” is deceptive, and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise!

Prov. 23:30-31 refers to alcoholic wine, because it tells us in the previous verse that those who drink it have woe, sorrow, contentions, babbling, wounds without cause, and redness of eyes. What a graphic description of those who “tarry long” at alcoholism. Verses 32-35 continue the same description; context always makes it clear when alcohol is meant.

cont
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439852 May 11, 2013
Scripture warns against the drinking of alcoholic wine. The Bible is consistent on this, both in the Old and New Testaments. The two previously quoted passages, Pr. 20:1 and 23:29-35, are good examples of scriptural warnings against consuming alcohol. Pr. 23:32 says “at the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.” Verse 33 shows that it will cause one to look at strange women (that is, not one’s wife) and to say perverse things, or things which he would not say if he were sober. Verse 34 predicts that it will cause death, such as drowning, or loneliness, such as lying upon the top of a mast. Verse 35 warns against numbness (“they have beaten me and I felt it not”) and “addiction (“when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again”).

Prov. 31:4-5 teaches,“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: lest they drink and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.” The danger is obvious.

By the way, Prov. 31:6,7 give us the only legitimate use of alcoholic wine in Scripture.“Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.” This would be using it as an anesthetic; a painkiller. But this is not for everyone; he says in v. 6,“unto him that is ready to perish.” Of course, they did not have all the painkillers that we have today. In our time, it would not be necessary to do this. We have many anesthetics available for those who are dying. Then, about the only thing available to the average person would have been some kind of alcohol. Alcohol is a depressant; it is not a stimulant, as some think. After several drinks, one gets dizzy; then he will pass out. So this passage teaches that alcoholic beverage would be only for the person who is ready to die; there would be no hope for his life. All that would be possible would be to ease his pain and help him forget his misery.
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Clay

Lawrence, MA

#439853 May 11, 2013
OldJG wrote:
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Actually you never answered other than admitting you didn't have an answer correct?
Chuckle? You bet. I am happy all the time. I am assured of my salvation. How about you? How can you ever be happy never knowing if you are headed for heaven or hell? Just hoping you are good enough would have to make a person a nervous wreck.
Great verse.....
I John 5:13, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
"I am assured of my salvation. How about you"

That explains why you're an arrogant prick. You think you're going to Heaven because you said 'Lord, Lord' and did an alter call.

Jesus said "He who endures til the end, shall be saved" (Matthew 24:13)
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439854 May 11, 2013
.” Everyone knows that when one gives himself to the drinking of alcoholic beverage, he will not be more spiritual, more desirous of learning the Word of God. To the contrary, it causes a person to ignore the Lord. Verses 13-14 reveal two other serious results: people go into captivity (become slaves to something or someone) and Hell enlarges itself! The drinking of alcoholic wine has caused Hell to be enlarged! God does not want anyone to go to Hell; He has given the greatest, dearest gift that He possibly could, to rescue sinners from it. He never made Hell for people. The Lord Jesus Christ said that Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt. 25:41). However, because of evil alcohol, Hell has had an enlargement campaign. Here, then, is a clear warning against drinking alcohol, because God does not want anyone to go to Hell.

Isa. 28:7,8 continues the warning.“But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.”

What a tragic thing, that even in the days of Isaiah, the priests and prophets were engaged in the drinking of alcoholic wine! Thus we see that the problem of preachers recommending alcohol is not new. Six hundred years before Christ, demon alcohol had worked its way into religion.
Michael

Canada

#439855 May 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
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"I am assured of my salvation. How about you"
That explains why you're an arrogant prick. You think you're going to Heaven because you said 'Lord, Lord' and did an alter call.
Jesus said "He who endures til the end, shall be saved" (Matthew 24:13)
CLAYPOOL says.........I am assured of my salvation. How about you

MICHAEL says.....So! You have stopped being a sinner have you?(lol)

I am glad you have already pre-judged yourself. No need for Jesus to come back and judge you. You already did his job. Congratulations!

....next!!!
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439856 May 11, 2013
The making of alcoholic beverages is not a strictly natural process. Sometimes people try to defend its use by saying that it must be good because God made it. But, the fact is, God did not make it. Man has learned how to make alcoholic liquors through processes that he has invented. Wine-makers know that one must have the correct amount of water, sugar, and temperature to make wine. Keeping grape juice in a refrigerator would prevent if from fermenting, because the temperature is not right. Likewise, hot, tropical temperature would prevent fermentation.

In ancient days, before we had refrigeration and vacuum-sealing ability, people learned to preserve the juice of the grape without turning it into alcoholic wine. Many people boiled it down into thick syrup. By doing so, they could preserve it for long periods of time. When they got ready to drink it, they would simply add the water to the consistency desired, in much the same way that we take frozen concentrates and add water. In Bible days, contrary to what many believe, it was not necessary for everyone to drink alcoholic wine as a table beverage.

Natural processes alone will produce fermentation under certain conditions, but these natural processes, if unaided by man, rapidly move to a vinegar state. The alcoholic beverages industry is very much a man-made thing.
Its not of God

Jesus did not make or drank an alcoholic wine.
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439857 May 11, 2013
Clay wrote:
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LTM, you've been proven wrong. Undeniably, unequivocally, irrefutablly, without question, wrong. Why on Earth would you act like you still have a case?
Sometimes I don't think you guys are really sola scripturist..
Clay well I am not going to beable to change your mind on that point so I won't try.
common sense and the word of God says I am right.

All you have to do is read the statistics, to prove what God warn about alcohol drink is true, and why we should not drink it.
I rest my case
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439858 May 11, 2013
Michael wrote:
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CLAYPOOL says.........I am assured of my salvation. How about you
MICHAEL says.....So! You have stopped being a sinner have you?(lol)
I am glad you have already pre-judged yourself. No need for Jesus to come back and judge you. You already did his job. Congratulations!
....next!!!
Michael, Mr Clay has to go to confession, his language is much to be desired.
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#439859 May 11, 2013
LTM wrote:
The making of alcoholic beverages is not a strictly natural process. Sometimes people try to defend its use by saying that it must be good because God made it. But, the fact is, God did not make it. Man has learned how to make alcoholic liquors through processes that he has invented. Wine-makers know that one must have the correct amount of water, sugar, and temperature to make wine. Keeping grape juice in a refrigerator would prevent if from fermenting, because the temperature is not right. Likewise, hot, tropical temperature would prevent fermentation.
In ancient days, before we had refrigeration and vacuum-sealing ability, people learned to preserve the juice of the grape without turning it into alcoholic wine. Many people boiled it down into thick syrup. By doing so, they could preserve it for long periods of time. When they got ready to drink it, they would simply add the water to the consistency desired, in much the same way that we take frozen concentrates and add water. In Bible days, contrary to what many believe, it was not necessary for everyone to drink alcoholic wine as a table beverage.
Natural processes alone will produce fermentation under certain conditions, but these natural processes, if unaided by man, rapidly move to a vinegar state. The alcoholic beverages industry is very much a man-made thing.
Its not of God
Jesus did not make or drank an alcoholic wine.
From your favorite website gotquestions.org

"Throughout the passage, the Greek word translated "wine" is oinos, which was the common Greek word for normal wine, wine that was fermented/alcoholic. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is the same word for the wine the wedding feast ran out of. The Greek word for the wine Jesus created is also the same word that is used in Ephesians 5:18, "...do not get drunk on wine..." Obviously, getting drunk from drinking wine requires the presence of alcohol. Everything, from the context of a wedding feast, to the usage of oinos in 1st century Greek literature (in the New Testament and outside the New Testament), argues for the wine that Jesus created to be normal, ordinary wine, containing alcohol. There is simply no solid historical, cultural, exegetical, contextual, or lexical reason to understand it to have been grape juice."

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-water-wine....
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#439860 May 11, 2013
LTM wrote:
The making of alcoholic beverages is not a strictly natural process. Sometimes people try to defend its use by saying that it must be good because God made it. But, the fact is, God did not make it. Man has learned how to make alcoholic liquors through processes that he has invented. Wine-makers know that one must have the correct amount of water, sugar, and temperature to make wine. Keeping grape juice in a refrigerator would prevent if from fermenting, because the temperature is not right. Likewise, hot, tropical temperature would prevent fermentation.
In ancient days, before we had refrigeration and vacuum-sealing ability, people learned to preserve the juice of the grape without turning it into alcoholic wine. Many people boiled it down into thick syrup. By doing so, they could preserve it for long periods of time. When they got ready to drink it, they would simply add the water to the consistency desired, in much the same way that we take frozen concentrates and add water. In Bible days, contrary to what many believe, it was not necessary for everyone to drink alcoholic wine as a table beverage.
Natural processes alone will produce fermentation under certain conditions, but these natural processes, if unaided by man, rapidly move to a vinegar state. The alcoholic beverages industry is very much a man-made thing.
Its not of God
Jesus did not make or drank an alcoholic wine.
Don't project your bad experiences with drunks onto Jesus.
Clay

Lawrence, MA

#439861 May 11, 2013
Michael wrote:
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CLAYPOOL says.........I am assured of my salvation. How about you
MICHAEL says.....So! You have stopped being a sinner have you?(lol)
I am glad you have already pre-judged yourself. No need for Jesus to come back and judge you. You already did his job. Congratulations!
....next!!!
You not only slept thru religion class in grade school. You slept thru grammar too!

Do you see those two lines on each side of my sentence? Them be called quotation marks. duh do you knows what It means??

I quoted someone else. In this case, it was Oldjg who said it.
"I'm assured of my salvation. How about you"

see how those work?
LTM

Marathon, Canada

#439862 May 11, 2013
Anthony MN wrote:
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Don't project your bad experiences with drunks onto Jesus.
'WAKE UP; I SAY WAKE UP BOY;; PAY ATTENTION.

God gave you a brain use it.'OR HAS ALL THAT FERMENT WINE DULL YOUR COMMON SENSE'
guest

United States

#439863 May 11, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>thanks for clearing that up for me,and your right if jesus/god existed and the P/C church is his church,being the spirit that he suppose to be,he would not have allowed the atrocities that the church has committed,the church is no different than sodom&gamora,some of the popes brought the church to bankruptcy because of their debotchery,orgies,parties,havi ng statues made of themselves,molesting nuns and slave men,women and children. Pope Leo X was pretty bad when it came to spending money ,Leo aptly illustrates his greatest priority:“Since God has given us the papacy, let us enjoy it.” According to Alexandre Dumas,“Christianity assumed a pagan character” as Leo doggedly pursued worldly pleasures.So financially unstable did his position become that he was eventually forced to pawn off furniture, jewels, and statues from the palace, as well as borrow huge sums of money from creditors (who were ultimately ruined when he died).
In addition to living a life of splendor, Leo practiced nepotism, famously used the sale of indulgences to finance the reconstruction of St. Peter’s Basilica, and was even accused of homosexuality. In fact, some sources hold that he died in bed while getting it on with a youth. That accusation may or may not be true, of course, but one thing is for sure: Leo certainly let his love of luxury get the best of him. Pope Julius III (1487 – 1555)Julius withdrew to his palace and spent the majority of his time seeing to his own personal pleasures and keeping out of political affairs.it was his relationship with a boy named Innocenzo that tarnished his name more than anything. Julius discovered Innocenzo as a young beggar in Parma before ascending to the pontificate, and he adopted him as his own nephew. When Julius became pope, he elevated Innocenzo to the status of cardinal-nephew and bestowed many gifts and benefices upon him. In fact, the relationship between Julius and Innocenzo showed signs of being much more intimate than normal family ties, and many reports indicate that Julius actually had an extended sexual affair with the young man.
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Yeah. It's all about, "What Would Jesus Do?" isn't it?
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NOT:
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"What Would the Pope Do?"
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'cuz if we were to follow what the pope does, we would end up murdering, torturing, covering up pedophilia ... Which is why I don't want to be Catholic again. Ever.
Clay

Lawrence, MA

#439864 May 11, 2013
LTM wrote:
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Clay well I am not going to beable to change your mind on that point so I won't try.
common sense and the word of God says I am right.
All you have to do is read the statistics, to prove what God warn about alcohol drink is true, and why we should not drink it.
I rest my case
But the Bible doesn't say we should not drink alcohol. You are sayin it!
Why don't you just say, "I think people should not drink alcohol, its not good for the liver and can lead to alcoholism". That would be more respectful of you.

Instead, you manipulate sacred scriptures for your own personal beef. That's a sin LTM.
Look, don't drink if you think it'll lead to drunkenness. But how dare you imply Catholics are sinning for having a glass of wine.

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