Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Full Story
Michael

Hamilton, Canada

#438529 May 8, 2013
Regina wrote:
<quoted text>
It doesn't work that way, June. I never said it did.
The excommunication is automatic. No one has to 'pronounce' it. In this case it is de facto.
If the person repents and goes to confession, the priest can lift the excommunication at that time. No one is "changing their mind". It is dependent upon the person to realize the gravity of their action and, hopefully, come to repent of it and seek God's forgiveness. As I said before, it's a remedial action.
Project Rachel is there to help bring healing from the suffering and devastation abortion inflicts on the "other" victims, those who have been duped into thinking it isn't murder, that it's nothing more than a "choice".
Are you happy with joy that Pope Benedict (emeritus) has his long time lover living with him.

http://www.towleroad.com/2013/02/pope-to-live...

See how his boyfriend fits his hat?

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/bostons...

http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2013/03/3356...

Isn't that nice!

Your're comments: SILENCE!(lol)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438530 May 8, 2013
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you happy with joy that Pope Benedict (emeritus) has his long time lover living with him.
http://www.towleroad.com/2013/02/pope-to-live...
See how his boyfriend fits his hat?
http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/blogs/bostons...
http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2013/03/3356...
Isn't that nice!
Your're comments: SILENCE!(lol)
towleroad.com as a definitive source. Choice.

Nothing you could find on TMZ, Michael?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438531 May 8, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>st. james is wrong the book 1 timothy 2:5 proves that, i doubt st. james said "confess your sins to one another."that would be going against gods will.
St. James was "wrong".

Here's the line attributed to St. James:

16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.

What now, jethro?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438532 May 8, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't be so silly.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>
Catholic Encyclopedia
Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm
This doesn't contradict Regina.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438533 May 8, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
The private confessional protected many criminals.
At one time confession was a public affair, so there was no such issue as a secret.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
AMONG Catholics, confession has changed dramatically over the centuries. In the early years of the Catholic Church, confession and penance were required only for serious sins. Concerning this, the book Religion in the Medieval West says: "Until the late sixth century the penitential system was very harsh: the sacrament could be administered only once in a lifetime, confession was public, the penance was long and severe."
How severe was such penance? In 1052 one penitent was required to walk barefoot all the way from Bruges in Belgium to Jerusalem! "Catholics could still be found in 1700 at holy wells and springs, kneeling up to their necks in icy water to say their penitential prayers," says the book Christianity in the West 1400-1700. Since at that time absolution was withheld until after the completion of the penance, many delayed their confession until they were dying.
When did the modern practice of confession begin? Religion in the Medieval West states: "A new form of penance was introduced in France in the late sixth century by Celtic monks.... This was auricular confession, in which the penitent confessed his sins privately to a priest, and it was an adaption of the monastic practice of spiritual counselling." According to the older monastic practice, the monks confessed their sins to one another to get spiritual help in order to overcome their weaknesses. In newer auricular confession, however, the church claimed for the priest the much greater "power or authority to forgive sins."-New Catholic Encyclopedia.
Penance was public. The confession was private.

The authority of the priest to forgive the sins in persona Christi has always been a tenet of confession and wasn't "added" later.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438534 May 8, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>your right,it is exactly what you say it is,the proof is in the multiple religious groups we have based on one set of incomplete scriptures.
The religious squabbling won't stop until people realize that all scriptures in all books were created by men using over-active imaginations that in turn created fantasies galore.

When people stay put in immovable divisive cults, they always choose to defend as truth what theologians planted in their own minds and point outward at the supposed evil and lies of others.

It was the theologians that taught people to fight over religion, and until people want to recognize that is the case, they will continue squabbling over who knows the right way to use scriptures that from my perspective shouldn't be used at all.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438535 May 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Penance was public. The confession was private.
You could be right.

But the fact is, if the people were terrified of the clergy's power to inflict pain no matter what the person said in the private confession ... that ought to be a signal to you that those men in control of the brutal system enjoyed inflicting pain on innocent people ... in public no less ... to give the subtle message "Follow what we tell you is righteous, or this will happen to you."

Those men in power that used religion as weapons were not living in any sense of love whatsoever. They were only preaching the message of love as they brutalized those who belonged to other cults AND to their own cult.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#438536 May 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
God never said that we had to confess our sins to a priest and if you say he did you lie on God.
John wrote ...
Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Priest operated under the Levitical Law There are no priest under grace...
Jesus is the only one that is alluded to as our priest under grace..
~~~~
Heb_3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
UNDER GRACE
THERE IS THE FIVE FOLD MINISTRIES OF THE CHURCH...
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Eph 4:11 And he gave
some, apostles; and
some, prophets; and
some, evangelists; and
some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12
For the perfecting of the saints,
for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 ==> And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; <==
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
YOUR IMAGINATIONS, FABLES, AND INVENTIONS NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME...
Jesus said to confess our sins to each other.
I would rather confess those really ugly ones to a priest who has been given the authority to forgive them and who is sworn to never tell another soul what I confessed. You can choose to confess yours to the check out girl at Walmart.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438537 May 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
This doesn't contradict Regina.
Of course it does.

Regina tried to make "light" of excommunication, as though the priest would simply pat the woman who had an abortion on her head as being naughty but still nice, and then let her go out to play at recess.

Excommunication was and is a serious issue for the pope and his thugs who pretend that they wield the power of a god.

Those who were excommunicated believed that they had no link WITH GOD, until through forgiveness, the men of the hierarchy decided that GOD would let the penitents back into GOD's forgiving grace.

They pulled the wool over follower's eyes, with that one word that the followers hold so dear to their hearts and minds ... "SALVATION."

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438538 May 8, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>funny how it's ok for christians to kill to get what they want,but if someone else does it,it's the work of the devil.
Of course. Christians used the handy word "heresy" to kill millions of people. And as the theologians were the ones to decide what was heresy, the fires at the stake were burning bright non-stop in one place or another ... wherever the Christians resided.

The Christians would hand out bibles and then take over the lands and other possessions of the locals.
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#438539 May 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
Real Christians listen...and adhere to God's word
Wannabe's such as your self create your own, and attempt to manipulate
God, and make his word conform to theirs.
Which is it? Catholics "blindly" follow the teachings of the Church, or Catholics take their Bibles and make up their own religions? Can't have it both ways.

How many protestant denominations are up to now? Approximately 41,000? Or is it one denomination for each protestant? That would be according to wikipedia about 7 million.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism_by...

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#438540 May 8, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
My point was that hell was not mentioned in the first edition of the Apostles creed (written by Catholics)... and that by the fourth century new ever-changing theologians had plenty of time to come up with the dogma of hell and write of hell again and again and again in their book that was compiled by one deception after another.
By the way, why did the Catholic theologians use the term holy on the "cover" of their new book, when they taught that most of the people in the world were evil?
Did they want people to believe that the only way to find holiness was in the cult of Catholicism?
If you ask question of the dogmas, you'll see that there are loop-holes everywhere that the theologian trod.
Well again if you want to find why they taught the people of the world were evil, it is because that is what the bible says as well. I suggest you look up the portion on Total Depravity in the Bible. All are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. As for Catholicism, I do not agree with all of their past, present or future, however God said those for me can not be against me.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438541 May 8, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You could be right.
But the fact is, if the people were terrified of the clergy's power to inflict pain no matter what the person said in the private confession ... that ought to be a signal to you that those men in control of the brutal system enjoyed inflicting pain on innocent people ... in public no less ... to give the subtle message "Follow what we tell you is righteous, or this will happen to you."
Those men in power that used religion as weapons were not living in any sense of love whatsoever. They were only preaching the message of love as they brutalized those who belonged to other cults AND to their own cult.
I go to confession, and I don't get penance of the type that is described in your excerpt.

Times change, June.

Since: Apr 13

Location hidden

#438542 May 8, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus said to confess our sins to each other.
I would rather confess those really ugly ones to a priest who has been given the authority to forgive them and who is sworn to never tell another soul what I confessed. You can choose to confess yours to the check out girl at Walmart.
Were does the Bible teach us that preachers have the right to forgive sin. You need a remedial course maybe.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438543 May 8, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it does.
Regina tried to make "light" of excommunication, as though the priest would simply pat the woman who had an abortion on her head as being naughty but still nice, and then let her go out to play at recess.
Excommunication was and is a serious issue for the pope and his thugs who pretend that they wield the power of a god.
Those who were excommunicated believed that they had no link WITH GOD, until through forgiveness, the men of the hierarchy decided that GOD would let the penitents back into GOD's forgiving grace.
They pulled the wool over follower's eyes, with that one word that the followers hold so dear to their hearts and minds ... "SALVATION."
Excommunication isn't permanent if the individual repents.

One seeks God's forgiveness, not the priest's.

That's what Regina said and she was correct.

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438544 May 8, 2013
jethro8 wrote:
<quoted text>i'm part american indian myself,i'm a very distant relative of pocahontas according to ancestry.com my family tree starts in the 1500's in this country,two brothers from germany was the begining of it all. i really have no idea if it is true or not,but according to their findings "which cost a few bucks",they say it's true. also according to the world history/record of names,i'm the only person known to have my real name.it's not a common name, like yours,can't be to many June VanDerMark's in the world.glad i met this one,your a very interesting person,i like your style,and you scare catholics,you tell the truth and that is against their rules.
Much harm was caused to the Native Indians by the Christians ... but I don't wish to imply that the Natives were not brutal to each other, as it seems that was the case as they warred and stole each other's women non-stop.

Humans simply are not nice and in order to accept without malice the reality of selfishness in others, I must first be comfortable with the recognition and acceptance of my own selfish nature.

Thanks for the compliment, but I realize that you feel a sense of comfort with my presence only because you agree with what I post.

If I was on a different wave-length than you, my guess is, you would not be glad to "know" me. However, I don't expect it to be otherwise on a forum.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#438545 May 8, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
<quoted text>
You could be right.
But the fact is, if the people were terrified of the clergy's power to inflict pain no matter what the person said in the private confession ... that ought to be a signal to you that those men in control of the brutal system enjoyed inflicting pain on innocent people ... in public no less ... to give the subtle message "Follow what we tell you is righteous, or this will happen to you."
Those men in power that used religion as weapons were not living in any sense of love whatsoever. They were only preaching the message of love as they brutalized those who belonged to other cults AND to their own cult.
You're really not running out a news flash when you relate that men can abuse positions of power.

Is this revelatory, or do you believe that the situation is limited to the religious?
Just Sayin

Nashville, TN

#438546 May 8, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
<quoted text>
~~~
confess their sins to priests because priests are God's duly authorized agents in the world,
Priest presided under the Law....
We do not live under the Law..
WE LIVE UNDER GRACE....GRACE (THANK GOD) THAT IS NOT CONTROLLED BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH NOR IT'S MINIONS.
THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH UNDER GRACE....IS THE MESSIAH ...
JESUS CHRIST GOD'S SON...
NO OTHER PERSON QUALIFIES.
THE MAN IN ROME ITALY.... CALLED THE POPE ..THAT HAS ATTEMPTED TO USURP THE POSITION OF THE HOLY GHOST ...DOES NOT QUALIFY...
HE IS JUST A CORRUPTIBLE MAN ATTEMPTING TO PLAY GOD...
I think you are just jealous that they didn't vote you to be Pope.
chuck

Dublin, OH

#438547 May 8, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus said to confess our sins to each other.
I would rather confess those really ugly ones to a priest who has been given the authority to forgive them and who is sworn to never tell another soul what I confessed. You can choose to confess yours to the check out girl at Walmart.
Jesus said to confess our sins to each other....yes but what does this have to do with a priest having authority to forgive sins?

Since: Sep 09

Prince George, Canada

#438548 May 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I go to confession, and I don't get penance of the type that is described in your excerpt.
Times change, June.
I already explained why the hierarchy is now lenient with the followers.

The law forbade them to kill and brutalize in the guise of supposed orders from a god.

The men of the hierarchy can no longer control the flock, as the flock has abortions, commits adultery, drinks, gambles, and does exactly as they please ... out in the open.

The men of the hierarchy always got away with those behaviors, and now it's the turn of those in the flock to flaunt their behaviors back to the hierarchy, who can do nothing but long for the good old days when they had ALL the power and the flock had NONE.

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