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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 693468 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438485 May 7, 2013
Regina wrote:
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How did it change? They *are* excommunicated. Excommunications are lifted either by a Priest or a Bishop depending on the type of excommunication and the reason. Excommunication need not be permanent. If one repents, it will be lifted. It is a remedial action.
You don't understand what excommunication is, do you? That's often common with people who swear they know it all, but haven't got a clue.
First you stated that women who had abortions are automatically excommunicated. And when I pointed out that Project Rachel is all about the Catholic church counseling women after abortions, you changed your tune.

But you already knew that you contradicted your self and now you are playing dumb on top of it.

“" THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH!"”

Since: Jun 10

"ISA 53:1.--6 "MATT 10:27"

#438486 May 7, 2013
Regina wrote:
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How did it change? They *are* excommunicated. Excommunications are lifted either by a Priest or a Bishop depending on the type of excommunication and the reason. Excommunication need not be permanent. If one repents, it will be lifted. It is a remedial action.
You don't understand what excommunication is, do you? That's often common with people who swear they know it all, but haven't got a clue.
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You wrote

"That's often common with people who swear they know it all, but haven't got a clue."

One thing for sure...If any one depended upon you Roman Catholics

for a Clue as to what you believe...they would never learn...all you

Roman Catholics can do is give insults and call names...

I don't believe that any of you actually know what you believe...

________

You are all just a bunch of puppets attached to a string from the hand of the Vatican that manipulates you.

You don't even listen to the words of the one you allege to be your first pope

Peter told Jesus

John 6:68

(DRB)(6:69) And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.

(Geneva) Then Simon Peter answered him, Master, to whome shall we goe? thou hast the wordes of eternall life:

(KJV) Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

(Vulgate) respondit ergo ei Simon Petrus Domine ad quem ibimus verba vitae aeternae habes
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#438487 May 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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First you stated that women who had abortions are automatically excommunicated. And when I pointed out that Project Rachel is all about the Catholic church counseling women after abortions, you changed your tune.
But you already knew that you contradicted your self and now you are playing dumb on top of it.
Um, no, I didn't change anything.

Yes, one who procures an abortion is excommunicated. No change there.

Yes, if they repent and go to confession, the priest can lift the excommunication. No change there either.

Yes, Project Rachel is a wonderful ministry, I've always thought so, long before you even knew it existed. Nope, no change there either.

Go play your games with the born agains. They tell you how evil you are in one breath, and then are your best friend when you jump on the Catholics.

June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438488 May 7, 2013
Tiger Lily wrote:
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It seems the Dark Ages are now long gone.
The papacy was at its full power from 538AD to 1798AD when the French General Berthier took the pope captive and exiled him.
Strange that it is 1260 years. Exactly what the Bible told us.
From my perspective, as long as religion controls the thinking of most people of the world, the dark ages will never be gone.
Disciple

San Diego, CA

#438489 May 7, 2013
StarC wrote:
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Jesus gave authority to his first Pope/Apostles/Priests
Jesus said…..
"Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you... Receive ye the Holy
Spirit. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall
retain, they are retained." (John 20:21-23). Then again: "Amen I say to you, whatsoever
you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose
upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven." (Matt. 18:18). In other words, Catholics
confess their sins to priests because priests are God's duly authorized agents in the world,
representing Him in all matters pertaining to the ways and means of attaining eternal
salvation. When Catholics confess their sins to a priest they ARE, in reality, confessing
their sins to God, for God hears their confessions and it is He who, in the final analysis,
does the forgiving. If their confessions are not sincere, their sins are not forgiven.
The Chubby Checker syndrome star...
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438490 May 7, 2013
Regina wrote:
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Um, no, I didn't change anything.
Yes, one who procures an abortion is excommunicated. No change there.
Yes, if they repent and go to confession, the priest can lift the excommunication. No change there either.
Yes, Project Rachel is a wonderful ministry, I've always thought so, long before you even knew it existed. Nope, no change there either.
Go play your games with the born agains. They tell you how evil you are in one breath, and then are your best friend when you jump on the Catholics.
I don't believe you.

It makes no sense that a priest would excommunicate the woman and then right away say, "Oh by the way, I'll lift your excommunication so you can go to get therapy. I was going to punish you, but I changed my mind ... er ... uh ... I mean Jesus told me to punish you, but he changed his mind, so now I'm changing my mind."

Silly people.
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#438491 May 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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From my perspective, as long as religion controls the thinking of most people of the world, the dark ages will never be gone.
The Last Pope advocated a forced Sunday observance.
That day may come. If the RCC want government to stay away on religeous issues, the pope can stay out of state law.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438492 May 7, 2013
Years ago I read a story of how a man named Lloyd Prevost who spent ten years in prison for a murder he did not commit.

Apparently a priest who was on his death bed confessed to another priest that he knew who the real murderer was, but had kept the secret because of the seal of confession. The priest to which the dying priest confessed went to the law and the innocent man Lloyd Prevost was at last set free.

The fact that the priest confessed the issue to another priest on his death-bed, was an indication that harboring that lie “had” weighed heavy on his conscience.

There is something wrong with a system that protects a guilty man, while an innocent man spent ten years incarcerated for a crime he did not commit.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438493 May 7, 2013
omit the word "who"
Tiger Lily

Auckland, New Zealand

#438494 May 7, 2013
The EU Must Keep Sunday, Says Catholic Church

November 18, 2008 • From theTrumpet.com

The Catholic Church wants Sunday observance enshrined in EU law. The European Parliament is debating changes to its Working Time Directive. The Vatican wants a clause in this law that would force every citizen in the European Union to rest on Sunday.

A hideously socialist piece of legislation, the Working Time Directive currently makes it illegal for those working, with some exceptions, in the EU to work for more than 48 hours a week. Workers in the UK are currently allowed to opt out of its provisions.

The bill is being revised. During the second reading, in October, seven Members of the European Parliament tabled an amendment saying that the minimum rest period “shall in principle include Sunday.” The Brussels-based Commission of the Bishops’ Conferences of the European Community (comece) agrees, recommending the directive should say “the minimal weekly rest must include Sunday.”

http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/5676.4031.0...

truth

Maida Vale, Australia

#438495 May 7, 2013
is less sin who swear or shouting then who in perfect attitude language as well meaning prepare what you not see destruction of perfect nice mind without swearing,,now
look log in your eyes=we say trun nije gospinom mliko
log is not mother Mary milk simple like that..

in this city nothing exist..why..asked yourself
someone who swearing did not do that..no
Regina

Lakewood, NJ

#438496 May 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I don't believe you.
It makes no sense that a priest would excommunicate the woman and then right away say, "Oh by the way, I'll lift your excommunication so you can go to get therapy. I was going to punish you, but I changed my mind ... er ... uh ... I mean Jesus told me to punish you, but he changed his mind, so now I'm changing my mind."
Silly people.
It doesn't work that way, June. I never said it did.

The excommunication is automatic. No one has to 'pronounce' it. In this case it is de facto.

If the person repents and goes to confession, the priest can lift the excommunication at that time. No one is "changing their mind". It is dependent upon the person to realize the gravity of their action and, hopefully, come to repent of it and seek God's forgiveness. As I said before, it's a remedial action.

Project Rachel is there to help bring healing from the suffering and devastation abortion inflicts on the "other" victims, those who have been duped into thinking it isn't murder, that it's nothing more than a "choice".
hojo

Minneapolis, MN

#438497 May 7, 2013
June VanDerMark wrote:
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If you believe that Jesus died for your sins, then that means you can still sin and Jesus will pick up the whole tab.
Why do you keep begging him to pick up the tab for your new "sins."
The promise direct from the Catholic theologians is that Jesus died so that you would be free of all sin, not just a portion of sin.
However, the Catholics didn't even believe their own nonsense, or they wouldn't have later on created the confessional where all the new Catholic sins would automatically be forgiven by Jesus the Jew.
What a lot of silly slop those theologians taught as truth.
As a convert to the Catholic Faith, after 35 years as a "bible only Protestant, I have listened to anti-catholic "propagandists" like you June, who will "dig up" and "spew out" ANY sort of obscure and obsolete self-opinionated "garbage history" in order to keep your vengeance, hate and hostility (heated up) against Jesus Christ and His One True Apostolic Catholic Church.... You, June, are nothing but a (elderly frustrated)"front page atheist or agnostic editorialist "hack", that has nothing better to do than to condemn, attack and rip the TRUE FAITH of other Christians on this forum, especially Catholics....... For someone your age,one would have thought that (by this time) you would have attained some degree of "spiritual insight and wisdom" in your "chaotic and confused life--but it is quite that you obviously --HAVE NOT!.... Since the time of Jesus, The TRUTH, has, is and will continue to be and remain in and through Jesus Christ HIMSELF and His One True (historically and biblically PROVEN) Apostolic Catholic Church.......Atheists, agnostics, hypocrites and bigots have "come and gone" for over 2000 years---YET-----THE CHURCH LIVES ON!!!----and will CONTINUE to live on.
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438498 May 7, 2013
The private confessional protected many criminals.

At one time confession was a public affair, so there was no such issue as a secret.
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AMONG Catholics, confession has changed dramatically over the centuries. In the early years of the Catholic Church, confession and penance were required only for serious sins. Concerning this, the book Religion in the Medieval West says: "Until the late sixth century the penitential system was very harsh: the sacrament could be administered only once in a lifetime, confession was public, the penance was long and severe."

How severe was such penance? In 1052 one penitent was required to walk barefoot all the way from Bruges in Belgium to Jerusalem! "Catholics could still be found in 1700 at holy wells and springs, kneeling up to their necks in icy water to say their penitential prayers," says the book Christianity in the West 1400-1700. Since at that time absolution was withheld until after the completion of the penance, many delayed their confession until they were dying.

When did the modern practice of confession begin? Religion in the Medieval West states: "A new form of penance was introduced in France in the late sixth century by Celtic monks.... This was auricular confession, in which the penitent confessed his sins privately to a priest, and it was an adaption of the monastic practice of spiritual counselling." According to the older monastic practice, the monks confessed their sins to one another to get spiritual help in order to overcome their weaknesses. In newer auricular confession, however, the church claimed for the priest the much greater "power or authority to forgive sins."-New Catholic Encyclopedia.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#438499 May 7, 2013
Whadda bout it Anthony??????????

"And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors". To whom, One of Great Wisdom" are these words, given to us by Christ, directed to???? The Pink Rabbit??? Your next door neighbor?????
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438500 May 7, 2013
Regina wrote:
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It doesn't work that way, June. I never said it did.
The excommunication is automatic. No one has to 'pronounce' it. In this case it is de facto.
If the person repents and goes to confession, the priest can lift the excommunication at that time. No one is "changing their mind". It is dependent upon the person to realize the gravity of their action and, hopefully, come to repent of it and seek God's forgiveness. As I said before, it's a remedial action.
Project Rachel is there to help bring healing from the suffering and devastation abortion inflicts on the "other" victims, those who have been duped into thinking it isn't murder, that it's nothing more than a "choice".
Don't be so silly.
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Catholic Encyclopedia

Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion — exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438501 May 7, 2013
hojo wrote:
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THE CHURCH LIVES ON!!!----and will CONTINUE to live on.
I agree. Salvation is the call of the wild.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#438502 May 7, 2013
This is the Roman Catholic Church.........

All Who Separate From the Control of the Pope are Without Christ

"Remember and understand well that where Peter is, there is the Church; that those who refuse to associate in communion with the Chair of Peter belong to Antichrist, not to Christ. He who would separate himself from the Roman Pontiff has no further bond with Christ." Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, quoted in "Acts of Leo XIII: Supreme Pontiff", Rome: Vatican Press, 1896,(quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 4: "The Book of Christians", Chapter 4: "There is No Allegiance to Christ Without Submission to the Pope").
June VanDerMark

Since: Sep 09

Williams Lake, Canada

#438503 May 7, 2013
From the book,“CONFESSIONS of a FRENCH CATHOLIC PRIEST … edited by Samuel F. B. Morse, A. M.… published in 1837 by John S. Taylor, New York, comes the following………….

It is natural, after this picture, to inquire if Catholic priests go themselves to confession, and if they avow all their crimes; to this I answer,-They are obliged to go to confession every fortnight, or at least once in three weeks, because their Superiors make inquiries about that point very carefully; and it is an eminent recommendation to the Superiors to apply often and to the celebrated confessors. Many of the priests make their whole faith to consist in efficaciousness to the confession, and they avow all their crimes to their confessor the same day in which they commit them. They believe firmly, that because a man whom they know as vicious as themselves has pronounced upon their head those words “Ego te absolvo,”—“I absolve thee,” in extending their hand, they believe their sins all blotted out, their conscience whitened and pure, and on the same evening they renew again the same crimes.
OldJG

Rockford, IL

#438504 May 7, 2013
This is the Roman Catholic Church.....how sad. And they will tell the world they do not worship Mary........

"Mary is the Virgin most faithful who by her fidelity to God makes good the losses caused by Eve's unfaithfulness. She obtains fidelity to God and final perseverance for those who commit themselves to her. For this reason St. John Damascene compared her to a firm anchor which holds them fast and saves them from shipwreck in the raging seas of the world where so many people perish through lack of such a firm anchor.'We fasten souls,' he said,'to Mary, our hope, as to a firm anchor.' It was to Mary that the saints who attained salvation most firmly anchored themselves as did others who wanted to ensure their perseverance in holiness.


"Blessed, indeed, are those Christians who bind themselves faithfully and completely to her as to a secure anchor! The violent storms of the world will not make them founder or carry away their heavenly riches. Blessed are those who enter into her as into another Noah's ark! The flood waters of sin which engulf so many will not harm them because, as the Church makes Mary say in the words of divine Wisdom,'Those who work with my help - for their salvation - shall not sin.' Blessed are the unfaithful children of unhappy Eve who commit themselves to Mary, the ever-faithful Virgin and Mother who never wavers in her fidelity and never goes back on her trust. She always loves those who love her, not only with deep affection, but with a love that is active and generous. By an abundant outpouring of grace she keeps them from relaxing their effort in the practice of virtue or falling by the wayside through loss of divine grace." St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin,#175.

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